When everyone apart from her is now racist

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Uh oh I'm in trouble :)

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I feel ya. That is just one more reason why we homeschool and encourage trade school and apprenticeships over college.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq_tcyPV7Vg

I think the idea is not so much that homeschooling is free from indoctrination, but that it's free from unwanted indoctrination (ie, free from indoctrination by the state, rather than the parents).

But I don't know much about homeschooling.

Indoctrination by the Government school system is "Borgish" and "hive mentality". At least you get diversity and individualism with home schooling... I'll take individualism over the hive every time... :0)

All learning involves indoctrination of some kind.

My 20 year old daughter is in college, she tried pulling that shit on me, needless to say she was reminded who's paying for this adventure. She snapped out of it, i gave her a big hug and told her how much i loved her.....the end! (Of the liberal bullshit, too!)

See what happens when liberal bullshit is spread?....that’s right, Octavia gets it!!! Lmao!

This is the company you keep? I guess it works for Pony Porn Studios, Yea? Lol

Right, homeschoolers do not want their children indoctrinated into state run thinking (or lack thereof). We do not want our children to be fashioned by the state ... in any sense. Homeschoolers typically prefer to have freedom in education. Just 'how' the state indoctrinates is a large subject. It has to do with the very idea of mass education based on age, gender, location, etc. It has to do with teaching that we learn to test not to satiate curiosity or for mastery. It has to do with being forced to sit quietly and very still while you are told what to think and believe and cherish. It has to do with explaining that some children are good learners and some children are not good learners. Yes, the state does indoctrinate. And some of us are not down with that.
Now. As to what you focusing on ... the "worldview". Of course parents are going to share their worldview. That is how it should be. Each of us when we reproduce then teaches the children that we are responsible for all about the world. Everything that we have learned about it to date. That is a good thing. it is an inevitable thing. It is a natural thing.
If I had to chose (and I do) which worldview I want my child to have ... our family's worldview or the state's worldview ... I'm going to have to go with our family's worldview.
That is not 'indoctrination' that is called education. Education only turns indoctrination if there is no room for difference of opinion. If I teach a 6 day creation, and I do, and my child says they do not agree with it ... I will not fail my child because of it. But if that same child were to go to PS where they teach evolution and my child were to say they did not believe in evolution not only would my child fail that portion of the work but likely would be put on a list (yes they do ... check out data mining) and I might even get a letter home.
I had a child in public school for 6 years, we have not always homeschooled.

Mmm. And I shudder at the idea of strangers thinking they know what my child needs better than I do, teaching children that white people are evil and racist from birth, that sometimes you can have two daddies or two mommies, that the government knows better than your mom and dad, and that God is just a mental illness.
No offense taken. Just because the thought of me raising a family and giving my children a a well rounded education makes you literally shudder lol Of course I'm not offended by that.
Let the memes continue.

Those are things on today's education agenda. As is Islam.
Of course teaching hate is an ugly thing. However I would contend that homeschoolers are less likely to teach hate. Parents invest so much of themselves and their lives to education... It typically attracts a certain type of person. Of course, some of us who used to use public schools were equally active in those. Just saying that it is less likely to find homeschooling parents who only teach limited, tunnel vision type curriculum since the point of it is to "educate". You would be more likely to find pants who teach hate and children who learn to hate in public schools. It is public schools that have a great many uninterested and uninvolved parents. Those parents do their teaching in their daily attitudes.
Hate is worrisome of course. What is there to be done about it? In public school if a child is being taught hate.... what should be done?

As a homeschooled kid, I guess I should weigh in on this..

For one thing, most homeschooled kids I know and associate with are much more open minded than most publicly schooled people I've associated with. In school, you have teachers, friends, etc pushing all their opinions down your throat. Obviously, the same happens in homeschool, but let's not try to lie to ourselves and start thinking that public schools are these bastions of free thinking and open mindedness. They aren't.

As to the subject of indoctrination, I think it happens on both sides, but I think we have many failures throughout history of mass government-controlled public education. Good intentions notwithstanding, they are huge propoganda machines.

And if parents are so dead set on forcing their views on their kids, they don't need to homeschool them to do that, and being publicly schooled probably won't prevent it.

As a former teacher can I say something? I have had homeschooled children that were either really advanced (way way beyond gradevel ) or dumb as posts. Oddly, the students who were homeschooled for political rathrr than religious reasons were the failures.
We have a homeschool program that does two days in the classroom and the rest at home. These kids do very well and advance quicker than the bulk of the mainstreamed kiddos.
My position on evolution was simple. I ain't a theologian, therefore, I will not teach religion. (I have more insight into theology than I let on to the parents or kids). You may have alternate beliefs, and I will note them, but it isn't what I'm teaching. You are responsible for this content. Your parents and church are responsible for their content at home.
You wouldn't believe the fallout I got when teaching archeology. Yes, dear atheist, the Bible is a viable source of reference. Some of the largest finds of the twentieth century were used by triangulating Bible references with Roman notes.

Beautiful discussion. I totally agree with Octavia although I wouldn't put so much the stress on homeschooling itself. It's rather a matter of why parents want to homeschool. Most homeschoolers in Europe are liberal radicals or environmentalists or Walford education fans, who just want a less stressful and more childy childhood for their children. On the other side, I was in a nuns' Catholic school, where we said our prayers before school and before lunch and we were taught the many evils of Islam. But ever since I was 7 I started having my own doubts on what I was told. My parents also were hardcore carholics, but despite all that I ended up a Unitarian Universalist who votes for communists.

I should type on my computer not my phone :(

I sent my kids to public school, and every day I asked them what they learned. Some days I agreed with what they had been taught, other days I explained to them why what they were taugh was bullshit. When it came to 'test' time, I told my kids to give the answer the teacher wanted, but to not necessarily believe it. But then my son married a girl with THREE College degrees. Now she stays at home with the grandkids I never get to see because I said Bernie was a commie, spewing her Liberal world view to everyone while they struggle to pay off her massive student loans. College is the Thunderdome where Conservatism gets demonized.

This meme is only half-serious. It's based on something someone else said.

I like the idea of what universities can offer, at least in theory. I think it's good to be well-rounded, have a view of the world that you can articulate and defend, and have an idea of where the knowledge and skill-sets that you use for your particular career fit in with other areas of study. Those are things you won't necessarily get at trade school, or apprenticeships, and I think those things can be important (perhaps for some people more than others).

However, I think in practice, some universities have become ideologically agenda-driven, and have become places for the professors to inculcate the students with their (usually liberal) worldviews. I don't think that's healthy. I don't know why some universities have become that way.

Possibly. I've been to both and I was surprised at how much trade schools have to offer in that regard. I suppose it just depends on where you go.
However, years ago people has mentors and did apprenticeships and internships. A lot got done under that system as well.
Different strokes for different folks I reckon. I just really get irritated when people act as if college is the only place learning can take place. As if they are the keepers of knowledge and in order to get some of it you have to pay insane amounts of money. It's almost like they are holding knowledge hostage lmao.
If one wants to know something, one only need crack a book lol. And you know, college books are for sale outside of college too ;-)

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid

Thank you for the link. :)

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Remember when the jet crashed in San Fran and all the media was reporting this as the pilot names :)

Wow. No, I don't remember seeing that kind of coverage. That's kind of surprising.

Someone duped them and they reported it as the pilots names..that is an actual not a joke.. I remember lester holt reporting it too

It's surprising that news anchors were tricked into reporting it as real news!

Everyone trying to get the scoop first :)

News Anchors are hired for their voice or their boobs, not their brains. Back in the before time in the long long ago reporters had to actually do some investigative work themselves, not just be served up somebody elses report on a teleprompter. Now, if you are the Anchor and get a big head, and you piss off the kid who writes your copy and makes you look smart, you are eventually going to get pranked by the smarter underling.

Oh man, I remember when that was reported on the news. I was choking because I was laughing so hard! What a shame though, first 777 to be destroyed.

I couldn't believe it when I heard them announcing the names, I was like how can they be so stupid,. It was sad

What was even more stupid is the fact that the airline hired a pilot who didn't even know how to fly the 777 to fly the plane to San Francisco.

Hard place to land even for an experienced pilot.

AHH A COMMIE!!!