The latest shooting puts liberals in a quandry

Why don't you understand THE REAL DEAL???

Please. Open your eyes.

The cars kill more people than Guns discourse is really disrespectful.

EVERYONE IN USA, IN EVERY MOMENT, CAN BECOME A TERRORIST AND DEFEND HIS CAUSE SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT PEOPLE THANKS TO THE ABILITY TO BUY WAR EQUIPEMENT NO QUESTION ASKED!!!!!
For the love of you thing is important:
OPEN.
YOUR.
EYES!

"Civilized countries"? What does that even mean?

Maybe is a false friend from my language: I intended to say "countries with a soldi democracy and with modern laws that defend all the people's differences and rights".

I'm perfectly okay with letting Muslims be Muslims and gays be gays, as long as they don't use violence due to it. The shooter was a Muslim and was a terrible person. Tolerance doesn't mean you have to agree with the person, it's just "live and let live."

Thar's they type of mindset that most liberals have. We let people be themselves in a nonviolent way. Conservatives just can't wrap their head around that...

Yeah, people get misrepresented a lot these days. Honestly, it's kind of sad that once this happened, people just started blaming liberals or conservatives or Muslims or gay or what have you. Stuff like this should be a wake-up call to work together, not just hate everyone else. Even if you have a perfect plan to fix everything, whining about Obama or Trump or anyone else still won't help. I don't care if you are liberal or conservative, as long as you are willing to have reasonable discussions and work with other people.

President Obama has been so tolerant that he would not use the phrase "Muslim terrorist". The Supreme Court headed by an ultra conservative declared the defense of marriage act unconstitutional paving the way for marriage equality. None of which prevented a Muslim terrorist, following tenet of his religion, to slaughter 50+ people because his beliefs said it was just. No tolerance for jihad. Unfortunately you cannot see religious crazy. And equally unfortunate is the fact that a good many of this worlds terrorists are Muslim and proud to be Muslim. I don't have the answer. But accusing people of being intolerant because they are fearful of a real threat or because in the own hearts and beliefs homosexuality is unacceptable, is as bigoted as you accuse conservatives of being.

Muslim terrorists are a genuine concern. It's okay to think homosexuality is wrong. Tolerance is letting people think what they want as long as they don't do anything harmful because of it. If a Muslim decides to go out and shoot people because they are not Muslim, that is Islamic terrorism, intolerance, and just plain being a bad person. If a person tries to, say, threaten a gay couple who are going to get married because they are gay, that's intolerant. If a person on the Internet starts cursing out and harassing someone because they think homosexuality is wrong, that is intolerant and bigoted as well. Tolerance is just that people believe things that are different from what you believe, and being able to live with that.

I completely agree with you. And isn't every demographic at least somewhat guilty of intolerance towards the others. I have noticed on this site much (not all) intolerance is directed at those with more conservative leanings. They ten fire back with the butthurt liberal rants. I personally am pro gay pro choice anti death penalty etc. I do not enter into a meme thread about anti abortion. My opinions and comments are not welcome or needed. I cannot justify my interference in another's beliefs. If I don't support the meme or can't add to a reasonable discussion j scroll on.

Most demographics do have intolerant people among them. I've noticed that there are some liberal "trolls" here, but conservatives are often guilty of it too, mostly since they are the majority here.

I think it's ok if that is what your religion,your heritage, your upbringing, your community believe. It is not ok if those beliefs allow you to in any way act out, mistreat, or disenfranchise anyone you believe to be "wrong". In the recent past a vast majority of conservative religious people advocated sterilization and castration of gays. Reorientation camps and exorcisms were prevalent. Many of those churches, as the population aged and new members grew up, moderated their stance. The times will always move forward at their own pace. When you attempt to force an issue and demand people abandon their long held heart felt beliefs you encourage the bigots and haters to be more bold. Everyone's beliefs are righteous to them. It is unfair to say I'm good you are not. Unless you are the God they believe in.

Of course allowing hatred to fester is not a good thing, but thought cannot be legislated against, nor can ideas be changed by political correctness or "in your face" actions. Thoughts and ideas only change when good people say "these things are okay or these things are bad" and their actions echo the words.

Well, no. A lot of liberals want to shove whatever they believe down your throat. Otherwise, you could disagree with a religion and really dislike it and kind of let it leak out, but not do anything about it. Like, I disagree with (insert political idea here), but even if it is bad, I won't do anything or attempt to insult. However, if you say that, many liberals will go like,"You're a bigot or racist!" So, that's my 2 cents.

Really? Read my comment to "Strongly". Liberals just can't accept that we want a lot of the same things, because we take a different approach.

kidding...just thought Mr. GC was good here.

They get accused of it, at least.

Well said.

Well articulated communication of "well said."

:)

"I'm perfectly okay with letting Muslims be Muslims and gays be gays" LGBT*QI MUSLIMS EXIST!!!! [internal screaming]

When did I say they didn't? I'm perfectly fine with letting Muslim gays be Muslim gays.

Im also kinda sick of all the political memes now tbh

Yeah me too

I agree with you. It's getting tiring. I'm flipping page by page just ignoring most of the political memes now. :/

wait wait you are saying some people think all muslim are terrorist then see them this pic
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...what?

what what

Oh lord god

(Coming from a liberal like myself)
This incident does not represent the entire Muslim population...

Don't you know Muslims behead gays everything the liberals are for the Muslims are against

Only the violebt ones do that. My muslims friends are also friends of gays

Ok well the ultra Muslims would not hesitate to drag the ones that tolerate gays out on the streets and behead them

I never said they wouldn't... I only support people who are nice and tolerant, the same way I look down to those who are violent and rude. It doesn't matter (to me) what their religion is

Muslim citizens of the United States are not violent. They are in the middle east, but the Islam here and the Islam there are completely different, morally speaking.

Ditto. (Source: I know American Muslims.)

He was born in the United States. Argument is invalid.

Yes, he was American, but he wasn't representative of most American Muslims. Absolutes like "all American Muslims aren't terrorists," or "all are" are wrong, and there is an increasing amount of Muslims being radicalized in the US, but the majority of US Muslims are nonviolent.

Using the argument that most US Muslims are non violent is a bad argument. Islam is a violent religion who's leader is a pedophile who called for the slaughter of non believers.

Why is it a bad argument? It can be proven or disproven. Here's a source that supports my argument: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

What country of birth and cutizenship is Omar Mateen?

He was born in New York

So that makes him a Muslim U.S. Naturalized citizen. What part of his Sunday actions am I misinterpreting as violence?

That's because their brainwashed by eastern authorities.

Prove it. Islam is Islam.

There are different 'levels' of Islam (such as the radicals vs the peaceful ones) as how there are different levels of people in all religions. Just b/c some Muslims are violent doesn't mean all are. Are all Christians the same? No. Are all cars the same? No. Are all people the same? No. There are many differences between a radical Muslim and a peaceful muslim. Saying they are all the same is quite ignorant.

Not all Muslims are violent, yes, I agree. However, not all criminals are violent, either. But they're still criminals.

I have Muslim friends.

Congrats.

Who aren't violent, nor have they ever been in court. They support gay marriage and religious freedom, and that has to say something about all people of Islam not being the same.

Hate the gave, not the players, except for the piece of shit ones. Similarly, hate the religion, not the religious, except for the piece of shit.

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