The latest shooting puts liberals in a quandry

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Why don't you understand THE REAL DEAL???
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Please. Open your eyes.
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The cars kill more people than Guns discourse is really disrespectful.
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EVERYONE IN USA, IN EVERY MOMENT, CAN BECOME A TERRORIST AND DEFEND HIS CAUSE SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT PEOPLE THANKS TO THE ABILITY TO BUY WAR EQUIPEMENT NO QUESTION ASKED!!!!!
For the love of you thing is important:
OPEN.
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2 ups, 1 reply
"Civilized countries"? What does that even mean?
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Maybe is a false friend from my language: I intended to say "countries with a soldi democracy and with modern laws that defend all the people's differences and rights".
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17 ups, 4 replies
I'm perfectly okay with letting Muslims be Muslims and gays be gays, as long as they don't use violence due to it. The shooter was a Muslim and was a terrible person. Tolerance doesn't mean you have to agree with the person, it's just "live and let live."
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11 ups, 4 replies
Thar's they type of mindset that most liberals have. We let people be themselves in a nonviolent way. Conservatives just can't wrap their head around that...
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Yeah, people get misrepresented a lot these days. Honestly, it's kind of sad that once this happened, people just started blaming liberals or conservatives or Muslims or gay or what have you. Stuff like this should be a wake-up call to work together, not just hate everyone else. Even if you have a perfect plan to fix everything, whining about Obama or Trump or anyone else still won't help. I don't care if you are liberal or conservative, as long as you are willing to have reasonable discussions and work with other people.
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President Obama has been so tolerant that he would not use the phrase "Muslim terrorist". The Supreme Court headed by an ultra conservative declared the defense of marriage act unconstitutional paving the way for marriage equality. None of which prevented a Muslim terrorist, following tenet of his religion, to slaughter 50+ people because his beliefs said it was just. No tolerance for jihad. Unfortunately you cannot see religious crazy. And equally unfortunate is the fact that a good many of this worlds terrorists are Muslim and proud to be Muslim. I don't have the answer. But accusing people of being intolerant because they are fearful of a real threat or because in the own hearts and beliefs homosexuality is unacceptable, is as bigoted as you accuse conservatives of being.
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Muslim terrorists are a genuine concern. It's okay to think homosexuality is wrong. Tolerance is letting people think what they want as long as they don't do anything harmful because of it. If a Muslim decides to go out and shoot people because they are not Muslim, that is Islamic terrorism, intolerance, and just plain being a bad person. If a person tries to, say, threaten a gay couple who are going to get married because they are gay, that's intolerant. If a person on the Internet starts cursing out and harassing someone because they think homosexuality is wrong, that is intolerant and bigoted as well. Tolerance is just that people believe things that are different from what you believe, and being able to live with that.
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3 ups, 1 reply
I completely agree with you. And isn't every demographic at least somewhat guilty of intolerance towards the others. I have noticed on this site much (not all) intolerance is directed at those with more conservative leanings. They ten fire back with the butthurt liberal rants. I personally am pro gay pro choice anti death penalty etc. I do not enter into a meme thread about anti abortion. My opinions and comments are not welcome or needed. I cannot justify my interference in another's beliefs. If I don't support the meme or can't add to a reasonable discussion j scroll on.
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Most demographics do have intolerant people among them. I've noticed that there are some liberal "trolls" here, but conservatives are often guilty of it too, mostly since they are the majority here.
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Your second sentence really got my gears turning. Is it okay to think homosexuality is wrong? I would say in some ways yes, in some ways no. It's okay to think it as long as the person doesn't act out violently or try to mistreat or take rights away from people just because they're gay. But on the other hand, part of me feels like it's not ok (not ok meaning not good, as opposed to not ok meaning not legal). Someone may be legally allowed to think homosexuality is wrong, but the downside is that those feelings fester and simmer, and sometimes build up until the pressure explodes, which is what happened in Orlando. It's like racism. Someone is legally allowed to hold racist views, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing, and racist views sometimes lead to that person mistreating or even acting violently toward the people they hate. So is it "okay" to think homosexuality is wrong? I guess it depends on which meaning of "okay" you're using. It's okay as in legal, but I would say it's not okay as in good or helpful.
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I think it's ok if that is what your religion,your heritage, your upbringing, your community believe. It is not ok if those beliefs allow you to in any way act out, mistreat, or disenfranchise anyone you believe to be "wrong". In the recent past a vast majority of conservative religious people advocated sterilization and castration of gays. Reorientation camps and exorcisms were prevalent. Many of those churches, as the population aged and new members grew up, moderated their stance. The times will always move forward at their own pace. When you attempt to force an issue and demand people abandon their long held heart felt beliefs you encourage the bigots and haters to be more bold. Everyone's beliefs are righteous to them. It is unfair to say I'm good you are not. Unless you are the God they believe in.
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I would disagree with your first point, because what if someone grows up in a culture or heritage or religion where hatred toward a certain group or groups is acceptable? That doesn't make it okay, even though everyone around you is encouraging and reinforcing that hate.

The rest of your message was very well said :)
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Of course allowing hatred to fester is not a good thing, but thought cannot be legislated against, nor can ideas be changed by political correctness or "in your face" actions. Thoughts and ideas only change when good people say "these things are okay or these things are bad" and their actions echo the words.
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True!
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Well, no. A lot of liberals want to shove whatever they believe down your throat. Otherwise, you could disagree with a religion and really dislike it and kind of let it leak out, but not do anything about it. Like, I disagree with (insert political idea here), but even if it is bad, I won't do anything or attempt to insult. However, if you say that, many liberals will go like,"You're a bigot or racist!" So, that's my 2 cents.
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Really? Read my comment to "Strongly". Liberals just can't accept that we want a lot of the same things, because we take a different approach.
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kidding...just thought Mr. GC was good here.
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They get accused of it, at least.
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Well said.
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Well articulated communication of "well said."
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:)
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"I'm perfectly okay with letting Muslims be Muslims and gays be gays" LGBT*QI MUSLIMS EXIST!!!! [internal screaming]
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When did I say they didn't? I'm perfectly fine with letting Muslim gays be Muslim gays.
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Im also kinda sick of all the political memes now tbh
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Yeah me too
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I agree with you. It's getting tiring. I'm flipping page by page just ignoring most of the political memes now. :/
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wait wait you are saying some people think all muslim are terrorist then see them this pic
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...what?
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what what
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Oh lord god
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12 ups, 1 reply
(Coming from a liberal like myself)
This incident does not represent the entire Muslim population...
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6 ups, 2 replies
Don't you know Muslims behead gays everything the liberals are for the Muslims are against
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10 ups, 1 reply
Only the violebt ones do that. My muslims friends are also friends of gays
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7 ups, 2 replies
Ok well the ultra Muslims would not hesitate to drag the ones that tolerate gays out on the streets and behead them
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10 ups, 1 reply
I never said they wouldn't... I only support people who are nice and tolerant, the same way I look down to those who are violent and rude. It doesn't matter (to me) what their religion is
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4 ups, 2 replies
Muslim citizens of the United States are not violent. They are in the middle east, but the Islam here and the Islam there are completely different, morally speaking.
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Ditto. (Source: I know American Muslims.)
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He was born in the United States. Argument is invalid.
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Yes, he was American, but he wasn't representative of most American Muslims. Absolutes like "all American Muslims aren't terrorists," or "all are" are wrong, and there is an increasing amount of Muslims being radicalized in the US, but the majority of US Muslims are nonviolent.
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Using the argument that most US Muslims are non violent is a bad argument. Islam is a violent religion who's leader is a pedophile who called for the slaughter of non believers.
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Why is it a bad argument? It can be proven or disproven. Here's a source that supports my argument: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
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What country of birth and cutizenship is Omar Mateen?
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He was born in New York
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So that makes him a Muslim U.S. Naturalized citizen. What part of his Sunday actions am I misinterpreting as violence?
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That's because their brainwashed by eastern authorities.
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Prove it. Islam is Islam.
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That's like saying "Christianity is Christianity". Not all Christians are the same, just like not all Muslims are the same, all Jews are the same or all Hindus are the same.
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There are different 'levels' of Islam (such as the radicals vs the peaceful ones) as how there are different levels of people in all religions. Just b/c some Muslims are violent doesn't mean all are. Are all Christians the same? No. Are all cars the same? No. Are all people the same? No. There are many differences between a radical Muslim and a peaceful muslim. Saying they are all the same is quite ignorant.
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Not all Muslims are violent, yes, I agree. However, not all criminals are violent, either. But they're still criminals.
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Hate the gave, not the players, except for the piece of shit ones. Similarly, hate the religion, not the religious, except for the piece of shit.
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I have Muslim friends.
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Congrats.
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Who aren't violent, nor have they ever been in court. They support gay marriage and religious freedom, and that has to say something about all people of Islam not being the same.
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they're*
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Actual child molestet/murderer in Portland. Oregon.
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Can you understand problem Proportions?
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To each victim's family it is 100%, regardless of the number of other victims. Sex assault and murder victims should not have to compete for justice. It's not an either-or situation. My point is children like the past 2 proven child tape-murders by the man in the meme should not be trivialized or ignored. I assume multitasking is in order to solve both the pervert problem and the Islamic terrorist problem. Our president refuses to acknowledge either as s problem. This the debate.
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Can you at least try to understand that sadly it's impossibile to prevent any **pe or child molesting...

BUT IT WOULD BE WAY MORE EASY to avoid that anyone anywhere can buy an assault rifle and KILL / HURT 103 individuals??????
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How many would that same guy hurt if everyone there would've been allowed to carry a gun for their protection?
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It's simple, very simple.

MORE guns, MORE deaths.

Why? Because LOT of people are good, SOME not.

MORE guns to the same amount of people means MORE chances that a bad person can use it.

SIMPLE AS IT IS.
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hahahahaha... Your pre-school logic baffles me!

How do you explain the results allowing CHL in Texas produced?
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Because is a band-aid on a severed head...

But it's difficult to explain to a person who lived all his life in a country governed by guns lobbies...

BTW, you can turn it upside down If you want.

If guns could make a country safe, USA WOULD BE THE SAFEST CONTRY IN THE WORLD.

Got it? :)
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That's like giving more pain killers to cover the symptom rather than fix the medical problem. The problem is the attitude of the Islamic terrorist not the weapon he uses.
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Yes... In a World where all the american massacres are from islamic people.

But it's not like that... AT ALL.

So it's simply... Racist and stupid.
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If you saw the big picture, you'd see a huge button that says "GUN CONTROL" just above those buttons.
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Woah Beckett's back!
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:)
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I realized that once I saw this comment and checked out his profile. Been back for a week now. Haven't been as busy with commenting recently. And today is the last day I'll be on here for about a month or so.
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I'm attempting to stay off the internet for a month. Not sure how well it'll work out, but I'm attempting. The truth is, I am getting quite busy. My wife is mostly blind, on dialysis and we have a four year old. Not to mention my full time job. I'm getting drained and need a break from things that aren't as important as family. I'll be back, but will be gone for a bit.
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I understand. I'm so sorry to hear that about your wife :(
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See ya later!
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See you next month (Hopefully) and sorry about your wife
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Helloooooo?
Wake up NRA addicted!
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8 ups
you forget the gun control button
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7 ups
In other words, stand down - like in Benghazi.
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Sadly, they will continue to wallow in their hypocritical ways
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Funny I made the same type statement regarding conservative, gun lovin, bigots not knowing who to root for in this situation.
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(Yes, it's quite the conundrum either way) LOL
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Tell me something. How did "gun control" helped the crowd? After all, there were no guns allowed at that club. Disarming the law-abiding citizen is not working. It has not work and it will NEVER work.

Drugs are illegal, but that doesn't deter drug smuggling, or does it? If you take away all guns by making them illegal, do you honestly believe that weapons smuggling will not succeed?

Lastly, if you think gun control is the solution, then how you explain that the cities/states with tougher gun control laws have the highest gun crime violence stats in the nation?
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1. They don't have guns for 'self-defence' in countries like England and the Netherlands, and look at their murder rates compared to the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate.svg

2. Getting rid of guns won't completly stop gun violence, but it will decrease it. It's the same with drugs; drug laws can't completly stop drug smugglers, but it does decrease the amount of drugs

3. The only reason that gun free zones have more gun murders is b/c they have an open border to the rest of the country. For example, anyone can bring an AR to a school b/c people are not checked for that type of stuff. However, airport terminals are not constantly shot up b/c people have to go through a thorough security check before entering the terminal.
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How about comparing the UK against Switzerland? After all, they are both European nations. Why don't you see the "cowboy" mentality there? Aren't their citizens armed?

Anyway, you fail to see something very important. You should not write laws based on reality in other countries. You should write laws based on your reality. "Gun control" has not worked here. The criminal element is armed to the teeth. Are you old enough to remember the North Hollywood Shootout? Look it up. It happened in 1997. Back then, LAPD officers only had handguns and shotguns. They battled against two bank robbers who were armed with AK-47s. The cops were completely out-gunned and SWAT arrived 18 minutes after the shooting had begun. Because of this, they starting equipping the police force better. Fast forward 19 years. Now, we are pissed the cops are "militarized." Why? Because we are a reactionary society with short-term memory problems.

Gun crime in Texas dropped after CHL. That is a fact. So, how do you explain that?
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The North Hollywood shootout would have never happened if the criminals never had guns in the first place. This is true with just about all shootings. Remember the Sandy Hook incident? Twenty children aged between 6 and 7 were shot that day. Or how about the 2007 shooting at VT? 49 people were shot that day. My local mall was shot up a few weeks ago, scarred the [email protected] out of everyone in my school https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/one-person-shot-at-montgomery-mall-in-bethesda-police-say/2016/05/06/f510d2aa-139f-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html
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What a wonderful world it would be if criminals couldn't get guns. Then there would be no need for gun control. We can't even stop drugs and illegals from crossing the border out of Mexico. Lets hear your idea on how to stop guns from being smuggled in, and while you are at it, how you are going to collect all the existing guns. Should we do door to door searches with gun sniffing dogs and swat teams? While there is some level of snark to the question, there is also validity. I have heard no one answer that with any level of credibility. Paris has some of the world's toughest gun laws as well as surveillance of it citizens, and yet it did not stop what happened there.
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"If men were angels, no government would be necessary." -James Madison

And if that were the case, then gun control would not be needed. But that isn't the case, and more gun control is needed. Don't get me wrong, guns will still be smuggled in no matter what, but the amount of guns in the country would decrease. This would lead to the amount of gun violence decreasing as well. The shooters of the Columbine HS massacre were able to attain their guns without going through any background checks, even though they were not legally allowed to buy any guns. They used the 'Gun show loophole'. About 40% of gun purchases go under the radar.
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I would go so far as to make you a deal, I would be willing to accept more liberal gun laws, IF we reached a high level of enforcement on the ones we already have in place. I don't believe we have a lack of laws in place, I do believe we have a lack of willingness to enforce them.
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I believe laws are not enforced well enough too. There are too many loopholes in many different laws, and politicions (both liberal & conservative) aren't doing enough.
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Maybe they are pissed because now you have MORE deaths, MORE massacres, MORE crazy lunatics who decide to express themselves with a bloodbath...

And all they need to do is buy rifles, no question asked.
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The answer is consistent, universal/national, reasonable, and ENFORCED laws. ONE simple one would be mandatory insurance. People in many states MUST insure a car. They don't seem to "lose" their cars to the black market when they have to insure them. In the same way, we wouldn't have guns flowing into places like Chicago (tougher laws) from out of the area (more lax law areas.)

You will lower the (criminal) number of guns over time with these types of laws. It won't happen overnight.

But it's still worth doing.
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ROFL!!! You just want a backdoor gun ban or at least guns for the very rich only. Talk about an elitist approach!
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I fail to see the parallel. But, since you brought it up, why do you have to carry coverage for "uninsured motorist" if everyone should have insurance? Because the people who have blatant disregard for the law will not buy insurance. They drive with fake insurance cards in case they get pulled over. Meanwhile, the law-abiding citizen takes it in the shorts again.

I do not own any guns (yet). But I have always believed in the notion of "balance of power." Which, by the way, the reason why we have the 2nd amendment.
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And if a car goes uninsured it would be easy to know that. When you buy a car you must have insurance to do so. Same with titling it. It's hard to hide a car. If/when an uninsured motorist gets pulled over the fines are there to deal with it. Unfortunately the consequences of an uninsured gun owner may be somewhat more severe.

So- when you buy a gun you should be forced to have it insured...you know in case it "gets lost" or falls into the wrong hands "by mistake." Once you sell the gun the purchaser would have to buy insurance and you would be able to stop the insurance. Again, the tracing of the gun is imperative. Personally I am fine with registering guns. Mine are all registered. No big deal.

I own guns. And it's too easy to do so.

ALL RIGHTS CAN BE, ARE AND SHOULD BE REASONABLY REGULATED.

As it stands the right to bear arms is not. By witness of the amount of gun killings we have.

it's that simple.
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This is what you're proposing.... BRILLIANT!!!
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The only reason why we have insurance law is because there is money to be made. You are grossly mistaken if you think insurance is there to protect your interests. You said: "When you buy a car you must have insurance to do so." Really? Explain to me how it is checked? Do they call and verify the policy? No. They just look at a piece of paper that it is EASILY forged and that's it. Even worse, they could have legitimate insurance and drop it a day later. So again, because of the people who won't obey the laws, the rest of us are screwed and have to pay up to have uninsured motorist coverage. The fact that we have that, should be proof to you that the "Mandatory" Auto Insurance is not really working. Otherwise, uninsured motorist coverage will not be needed.

If we were to close all gun factories in this country and close, gun shops, and take away all guns from all citizens, do you really think it would stop gun violence? If you believe that, I have some land I would love to sell you.
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"If we were to close all gun factories in this country and close, gun shops, and take away all guns from all citizens, do you really think it would stop gun violence?"

Worked in Australia. But that's not what I'm proposing.
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Has it? I think I saw a report where people who live in remote areas are complaining that it now takes too long for police to arrive and have no means to defend themselves or their property. So.... I'll ask again, has it?
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You THINK you saw a report. Thats convincing.
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Press 'em both! It's not like it's a switch!
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*presses "tolerance for gays"* Done!
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I tolerate muslims, that are HAPPY to be excommunicated from the 'fanatical' mosques.
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Too bad conservatives don't seem to tolerate either.
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Jews are fleeing Europe from increased antisemitism. Still no one gives a f**k.
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These things are dumb. People just use them to trick gullible people into reposting their things.
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These things are dumb. People just use them to trick gullible people into reposting their things.
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bruh
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If you take a dead cat in the woods during s full moon and put it in stump water, you can cure warts too
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