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3 ups, 3w,
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You mean adultery causes miscarriages?
1 up, 2w,
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The priest gave the woman something to drink and it killed the child. SOunds like an abortion "pill" to me.
0 ups, 2w,
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That's not what the passage says.
1 up, 2w,
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Numbers 5:22 says, "May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
0 ups, 2w,
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Water doesn't cause miscarriages, try quoting all relevant text, rather than using an contextomy to lie. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205&version=NIV

The Test for an Unfaithful Wife
11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[c] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to
2 ups, 2w,
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She is being forced to miscarry because she had sex with another man. Sounds like an abortion to me.
1 up, 2w,
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Actually it doesn't say anything about the women being pregnant and is literally an act of God being evoked. You're reading into the text what you want it to say, in contradiction to the actual words.
2 ups, 2w,
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The definition for miscarriage is, "the expulsion of a fetus from the womb before it is able to survive independently, especially spontaneously or as the result of accident."

So yes, she was pregnant.
0 ups, 2w
Actually no. The translations vary and no immediate effect is necessary for the "curse" as er the link I already gave you.
https://apologeticspress.org/bitter-water-that-causes-a-curse-does-numbers-511-22-condone-abortion-5663/
0 ups, 2w,
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Not true at all. Did it dawn on you that the water that she was made to drink would NOT result in a miscarriage if she did not cheat on her husband? It is only if she cheated. The water is the same. The water did not cause the miscarriage. The water is just symbol.

Also the miscarriage that results from her sin is a punishment, not a reward AND the water did not cause the miscarriage. She didn't go to some abortion clinic to murder the baby because it was an inconvenience.

Read the rest of the Laws of Moses in all of the Old Testament. There are several laws that if violated the punishment was death.

Saying that the punishment of a miscarriage validates abortion is like saying that the other capital punishments enumerated in the Law of Moses validates murder.

The problem is when you read the Bible (or excerpts from the Bible on some liberal and/or atheist website) looking for ways to condemn those who follow the Bible, then you entirely miss the point of the Bible. Nor will you ever understand the Bible. The Bible was written for the individual reader and what is contained in it are historical religious writings meant to help you become a better person. Even though it happens far too often, the Bible was not written for believers to use as a weapon against others. It is only about helping the reader become a better person and nothing else. But narcissists happen in and out of religion.

The Law of Moses has very little relevance today. Using it as a weapon against Christians or Jews makes you no better than the narcissistic religious people who use the Bible as a weapon against you.

If you want to make yourself a better person then read, study and pray about the Bible. And then apply its teachings to how you life your life. If you think you do not need the Bible, you will never know if you do or do not unless you read, study and pray about the Bible.
2 ups, 2w,
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Are you saying abortion is justified if she cheats?

"The Law of Moses has very little relevance today. Using it as a weapon against Christians or Jews makes you no better than the narcissistic religious people who use the Bible as a weapon against you."
So then why do Christians always bring up old testament verses about homosexuality or any other argument? Should we just forget the entire old testament and never use it in arguments?
0 ups, 2w
Abortion and miscarriage are not the same thing. Even though a miscarriage is sometimes called a "spontaneous abortion", they are still not the same thing. Miscarriages are never voluntary. Abortions are always voluntary. The punishment was miscarriage if she cheats.

While the practices and punishments have changed the moral parts of the law haven't changed. Jesus said that He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill the law. His life was the ultimate and last sacrifice required by the law. But the law was not destroyed, in fact it is incorporated in the Gospel but only the moral teachings of the law. The law says "thou shalt not kill" and actually the word for kill is a mistranslation, it should have read, "thou shalt not murder". Jesus amplified "thou shalt not murder" by saying if you have murder in your heart it is the same as you actually murdered someone.

So when in Deuteronomy it says about homosexual action is a sin, that part is still true. What is no longer applicable is the punishment, in this life, for that sin. The sin is the action not being a homosexual. When you look at the Bible as a whole you can see a pattern when it comes to sexual activity. The only sexual activity that God allows is that between a legally and lawfully married man and woman. Every other sexual action outside of that is forbidden by God. That is it in a nutshell. The Bible mentions homosexuality only because people have to have it spelled out for them. The same with adultery, fornication, masturbation, etc. Any action that is related to sex is a sin unless you are married.

Some people have taken that to mean that sex is only for procreation but that is not scriptural. My opinion is if a husband rapes his wife, meaning she did not want sex but he violently forced himself on her that kind of sex should not be protected by marriage and should be punished under the law. I don't think there is any scriptural validation for my opinion and that is why it is my opinion and it is also part of our law now.

These are the terms God has laid out. When Jesus was alive He ended any earthly punishment for sin. If you want to follow God and keep His commandments then that is the life you have to choose. If you don't want to keep God's commandments then that is your choice. The choice is yours and no one else's.
0 ups, 2w,
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take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[e] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”
0 ups, 2w
https://apologeticspress.org/bitter-water-that-causes-a-curse-does-numbers-511-22-condone-abortion-5663/
1 up, 3w,
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No.

Just you reading Numbers 5:11-31.
2 ups, 2w
You don't think it's a bit contradictory to what they currently believe?
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