god's love is conditional

Well, pick your gods, pick your commandments, I guess.

Atheism is better.

Atheism certainly satisfies Occam's Razor.

Explain consciousness

Humans have cool things called brains.

So do frogs

Cool.

Fun fact: Humans are more intelligence than frogs.

So intelligence is consciousness?

Not necessarily.

Humans have higher social intelligence and EQ compared to animals.

Some animals have a conscience. (Primates, herd animals, and dogs) They aren't the same as humans, but they have a basic knowledge of what is acceptable and a sense of empathy.

So a human that is socialy dumb and very low EQ enough is less than a normal human

Not less of a person or less valuable. But yes, they have less of a conscience than most people.

So your saying a human with less conscience is still a person what about other animals with the same level of conscience

Responding to your last statement, "If an animal has as much EQ and social IQ as a dumb person does that mean they should be treated the same?"

No, because that person is an exception. That's like saying we should have funerals for all dead animals because they also die.

*cough* double standard *cough*

Humans with less conscience are still people. Conscience doesn't make something human. All humans are people.

(Responding to your last reply)

I know but what about the animals

Double standards?

I was exposing yours.

Explain

What about the animals?

If and animal has as much EQ and social IQ as a dumb person does that mean they should be treated the same?

You said, "If an animal has as much EQ and social IQ as a dumb person does that mean they should be treated the same?"

That is a double standard.

God loves you no matter what.

Then why would he send anyone to hell to be tortured for eternity? Even if you think about it, infinite torture cannot be a reasonable punishment for a finite crime. Why does it make sense to torture someone for eternity because they exercise their free will?

You were made as perfect but sin makes you infinitely less perfect

Did god create morality and immorality?

If he did, he also created sin which means sin is forced upon people.

https://youtu.be/ujxeWX6enYA?si=-i76LDKLVKKtKaOX

Can you summarize the video?

Adam and Eve chose to sin

According to christians, god also created satan to convince people to do bad things.

Satan made a choice

We?

As collective humans?

Yes I admit I sin... Alot

So did god by creating him.

According to Christians, god is also omniscient (all-knowing) which means he knew sin would happen. Why create people if you know something bad will happen to them?

Basically we are his masterpiece and we were all he could think about doing so he made us. (Based on hints across scripture(

If we are a masterpiece, why do we have flaws (sin) according to Christians?

Because we choose to let it in

He doesn’t want you to be tortured for eternity. That is why he sent Jesus to die and be the covering of your sins, big and small. We all can go to Heaven; it’s just not everyone wants to turn their ways.

Why should I be punished for exercising my free will? Why should god punish me because I don't recognize his existence? Why does god own me and my life?

Using it wrong. Your ignoring the king trying to forgive you. He literally made your consciousness

Forgive me of what?

Sin

Do you believe that sin is something immoral?

Yes

I didn't choose to be bisexual. My bisexuality doesn't hurt anyone.

Your (last) statement doesn't make sense.

You are choosing to do the fleshes desire than to be sexually moral

Why would someone stop themselves from being happy if it harms nobody else?

How does homosexuality harm anyone?

Ok which one. Would you rather have all the earth's wealth or all the wealth that the infinite gid can give

Is homosexuality immoral?

I see what your trying to do but. Yes

Coming to earth 2000 years ago is not definitive proof since I didn't experience it.

https://youtu.be/CZZOaXkLGMY?si=Lf_MVYRDG760T3aZ

What about people who are only gay? Why would they go to hell for not having attraction towards the opposite sex?

According to most Christians, even thinking about homosexuality is also a sin.

It is. The whole point is that Jesus will forgive if you have faith and are not lukewarm

I would choose all of the Earth's wealth because I do not believe in a god.

'''''If''''' there was a god which would you choose

If there was definitive proof that a god existed, I would choose the god.

I am open to logical arguments for the existence of a god, but I have not seen any.

Define definitive

To be immoral, something has to be a conscious decision that also harms someone else.

If someone forgot to push in their chair and someone trips on it, they are not immoral because they didn't know someone would trip on it. It harmed the person who tripped, but it was not a conscious decision.

If someone throws a rock off a cliff, it was a choice, but nobody was hurt (hopefully) so therefore it is not immoral.

Homosexuality is not a decision and does not harm others.

Yes.... It is thats how it works succumbing to the fleshes desires

How is homosexuality a sin (immoral) if it isn't a choice and doesn't harm anyone?

Why is there a need to repent?

1 it's a choice to indulge, we all have the urge to have sex but don't do it ukess you're married. 2 To be forgiven

Definitive means absolute proof. If god himself came to earth and showed himself, that would be an example of definitive proof. His being invisible and talking through people's minds isn't definite.

Well he has shown himself

If god shows himself secretly and only in small ways, that's not definitive.

He literally came down as a human

Because he made you. Without God we wouldn’t exist. Agree to disagree

I agree to disagree. I'm cool if you're Christian, but I currently don't see myself as one.

And hey! That’s okay! I am fine with not everyone agreeing with me, just like anyone else should!

I used to be Christian but I just don't think there's enough proof to convince me. But yeah, agree to disagree.

To make up for this little argument, let’s trade upvotes, 10/10

Sure lol

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Bisexuality isn't something that needs to be covered or atoned for. To quote the Bible: "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them." One can certainly argue that it is only respectful of this male and female God to see the divinity and beauty in both (and in in-between states).

But god also says that homosexuality is wrong.

You mean, back in Leviticus, some tribal elders wrote that it was wrong. If you have real faith in an all-knowing, all loving god, you'll see that the Deity can't possibly endorse all the stupid bigotries that members of the religion have endorsed over the years. I don't see how "homosexuality is wrong" holds up any better than the biblical prohibitions on shellfish, or on mixing linen and wool in a single garment.

I hate it when people bring up OT references but ignore anything they don't agree with.

Cherry picking at its finest.

And it tells us a lot about the homophobia baked into our culture that we can look at the rule about eating pork and say, "I get why this made sense 2,500 years ago, but that doesn't really have any relevance in the modern world where we have other ways of avoiding trichinosis," but we can't do the same for the rule about same-sex relationships.

And what exactly am I cherry picking?

Christians in general treat is like a pastime.

?

Cherry-picking (Picking only parts they agree with) verses to justify hating specific people or to support things they want to happen.

Why is Leviticus 18:22 more important to you than Leviticus 11:9-12? Why is that rule more important to you than Matthew 22:39?

-- I'm asking sincerely, since the Jewish tradition with these scriptures is to reread them and enter a dialogue with the text, keeping the scripture holy but understanding it in the broader context of its historical composition, our living tradition, and our world and community. Sometimes it seems to me that certain Christians treat them as flat and inscrutable texts, with certain parts ignored, certain parts overstressed, and others entirely misread.