Another victory for Russia

thats not funny dude

It is if you like Russia

the country that killed civillians in the beginning of the invasion?

Ukraine was fighting its own civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk long before the invasion

actually you know what i don't want to argue with you have a good day

Ok, i hope you also have a good day

proof

The OSCE (an EU/NATO Empire tool, largely) admits that there was a huge increase in Ukrainian attacks on Donbass Republics held positions and population, just prior to the Russian entry into the Ukrainian Civil War aka the SMO, or alternatively "The unprovoked Russian Invasion".

These facts aren't so hard to find. Fascist Ukrainian Oligarch, and then-President of the west's puppet Coup-Government in Kiev, Petro Poroshenko, declared an "Anti-Terrorism Operation" in 2014 against the people of the Donbass, who had rebelled against the illegitimate Government in Kiev, after watching the Banderite Nazis massacre more than 50 ethnic Russians at the Odessa Massacre in 2014. This was around tgf same time that Crimeans voted overwhelmingly (both in their still legitimate independent local Radha, and then in a popular referendum) to rejoin with Russia, leaving Ukraine permanently. That "ATO" continued until the Russians largely put a stop to it, with their invasion. But infact, things like the Bucha Massacre, committed by the Ukrainian SBU's "Safari Teams" and the Nazi militia "The Botsman Boys", are the continuation of that Genocidal "ATO" strategy, against ethnic Russians, in the Eastern and Southern parts of Ukraine.

I aint readin all that

“The world stands with ukraine”
Not true bruh, Russia stands in Ukraine

Yeah, and Russia will keep on standing there. If anybody knows a little Russian history, they'll know that Russia won't pull out but fight till they win.

I only have one question, if Russia were to lose, what would happen internally?

If it were to happen hypothetically, there would likely be much political instability for some time. I think it would be stopped and returned to order soon after though. Interesting question though, there are very many other different possible things that could happen. However, since Putin has that support of over 80% of the population, it shouldn't be too bad.

I see

and this is a classic textbook example of trolling. don’t interact it just feeds the trolls. their username says it all

Russophile disgusting

tell me that when Ukraine falls, because it will soon. they're losing miserably right now.

Still doesn't justify Russia's actions :/

My dude

Russia failed to overpower a bunch of farmers with guns.

those same farmers managed some successful counter attacks, and has caused more losses and damages to russian equipment that any other country in the world, and managed to lock russia into a stalemate which has turned the war from a war of conquest to a war of attrition, and your trying to tell me there losing miserably.

You realize the initial estimate from russian officials was 10 days, yet it has been over 2 years of fighting

and Ukraine still manages to prevent russian advances on almost every front, there has been little advance on either side, and this is against one of the largest and (supposedly) best equipped militaries in the world.

not to mention that russia has lost over 315 thousand troops (as of feb 23, 2024), and ukraine has only lost (about) 31 thousand soldiers (as of feb 25, 2024). So looking just at the numbers it seems that russia's 10 day operation is a pretty big failure.

not to mention that the ukrainian soldiers have started bombing major oil refineries using drones, meaning that they are crippling russian oil production and therefore crippling the war machine because of the lack of fuel for vehicles, not to mention the economic repercussions due to intense losses of people, equipment, vehicles, and more.

Hell, the vehicle losses are so great russia is using cold war vehicles and WWII anti air guns because there vehicle forces have been decimated by Nato and Western support.

The advances are small, but the Russians are the ones capturing land, not Ukraine. And also, Russia still has plenty of oil left in Siberia, so they won't be running out. The only reason Ukraine is still there is because all of the NATO countries are giving them a ton of money and equipment. One of the biggest reasons for USA's inflation is because it is giving Ukraine a huge amount of money. And the Ukrainian president is still asking for more, because the Russians are still winning. France even started sending in its own troops to Ukraine because Ukraine's army is close to being all destroyed.

If you look at a few maps, you'll see that even though the advances are small, the Russians are the ones capturing land. Every day, Ukraine loses more and more land and towns. Also, the Russian victory at Bakhmut had greatly crippled the size and morale of the Ukrainian army. The Ukrainians are forced to retreat all over the front, and almost every one of those counteroffensives failed.

If the NATO countries did not send Ukraine any money or weapons, it would have fallen within a month of the invasion.

💯 - ALSO, the Russians and Ukrainians had already agreed upon a Peace deal in March and April of 2022, with both sides making concessions. But NATO (the US, UK Canada and EU Empire) sent Boris Johnson on a mission of ANTI-Diplomacy to Kiev - with explicit instructions to Zelensky, not sign the deal, but rather to proceed with the war, and the NATO strategy of fighting until the last Ukrainian.

Yeah, I've heard of anti-peace talk deal before, it's very stupid on the side of NATO to do so. They're just making themselves lose faster. When Russia annexed the 4 occupied oblasts, Zelensky made it illegal to negotiate with Russia. I hope they enjoy having Russia steamroll through their so-loved county and put out every trace of Ukrainian resistance.

Yeah. The refusal by Ukraine to let Crimea democratically rejoin Russia, and to honor the Minsk accords - led to a series of disasters for Ukraine. I think the "cordon sanitaire" proposed by Russia's President, is probably where they'd rather end their advance, after removing the puppet-regime in Kiev. That would mean a buffer -zone, from Kharkov to Transnistria, in all likelihood, including Odessa and every from the Dnepr River to the East as parts of Russia, or as a demilitarized zone, under Russian control. And frankly, I can't blame them. THEY TRIED diplomacy, so many times, only to be betrayed. So now they're basically, like - f*ck 'em!

And when you listen to bloodthirsty NeoCon Imperialist Ghouls like Lindsay Graham talk.. they're totally happy to put every Ukrainian into a meat grinder... It's "a great bargain" for them and their weapons-making backers. All it costs is endless debt with US Fiat-currency... And they think that they're wearing Russia, rather than themselves. But in fact, they're just hastening the strategic defeat of their dreams of a PNAC (Global, Monopolar, Hegemonic) Empire as the rest of the world isn't fooled by their propaganda - anc has begun realigning with thr BRICS countries, and dropping the Dollar.

Yeah, NATO does not care about Ukraine, they just want it to exist as an anti-Russia zone controlled completely by them.

You clearly have listened to a lot of Western propaganda

And you have clearly listened to a lot of Russian propaganda.

"Russian Propaganda" - is what NATO Governments, and their OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD Presstitutes call - the objectively provable, easily independently verified, truth, whenever it challenges their fraudulent narratives. Russia lacks the kind of control over the global media ecology that the west maintains. Hence, unlike the west, they cannot simply tell lies, which will eventually become regarded to be truths, through saturation and repetition. Instead, I can tell you, as a western journalist with decades of experience, that Russian media is incredibly accurate and fair, in comparison. They will tell you not ONLY what the Kremlin's position on a given subject is - but those of independent analysts, and even what the west and its parrots are saying, all in the same story.

By comparison, the western press just repeats the obvious lies coming from the westen Empire's officials, spy agencies, and propaganda organs - while censoring and marginalizing any dissenting voices, sometimes by calling them "Russian Propaganda". What they NEVER DO, is make a fair assessment of Russian claims, or make specific attacks against the facts put forward by the Russians, backed by independent and objective evidence.

They say that " the Truth is the first casualty in war"...and in the west that's definitely true. The Russians don't really need to lie like that, because the facts are on their side, and they take great efforts to behave in a moral fashion, on the world stage... Which is why the majority of the world's countries and population, are either neutral in the Ukraine war, or support the Russians. The west is rapidly isolating itself, which we can see in Africa, particularly, as the French and the US are getting their asses kicked-out of places, like the Sahel and the DRC/Congo etc., while the Russians and Chinese are getting invited in.

Please do yourself a favor, and try watching rt.com. They have an amazingly good news department - and they play some very powerful documentaries, and shows made by Americans like Rick Sanchez and John Kiriakou, when the news isn't on.

CNN, Fox and MSDNCIA will always be there for you. Give the competition a FAIR hearing, and then compare for yourself.

This is accurate history - not "Russian Propaganda": https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/02/03/how-a-network-of-nazi-propagandists-helped-lay-the-groundwork-for-the-war-in-ukraine/

Yeah, according to NATO, this is how it works:

If the news is completely anti-Russian and only shows the successes of Ukraine, then it's a true source
If a news source says anything that is actually true, it is Russian propaganda.

The reason I trust Russian news much more than Western news is like you said, while Western media uses the same lies from their own propaganda, Russian media actually uses true facts and gives a good account of what's going on.

Anyways, thanks for helping me with arguing with these pro-west people, it helps me a ton.
I followed you.

You're welcome - and I followed back - so let me know if you need help with a memechat.

Thanks, you've helped a lot. You clearly know a huge amount more on all these topics than I do.

Well... I've been a journalist since the 1990's... So I pay close attention to what's happening, and how that's distorted in the reporting on it... And I've been a researcher into Covert Operations for much of that time, as well. So I read a lot, usually the best work of the best investigative reporters, on these subjects. And I have literally thousands of bookmarks saved, online, organized by topic, and searchable... So yeah... You came to the right place to ask for an assist. Keep studying and learning - be a SCHOLAR, and not just a student chasing grades... In 40 years, you'll be where I am - and you can pay it forward, to the next generation.

Thanks again, I will be trying to learn as much as possible about these topics. I may not have access to as many resources as you, but that won't stop me from exploring these ideas. I have 2 grandparents who lived in Russian-occupied land during the war, and they've told me how it is not the Russians but instead the Ukrainians who are destroying their cities. And they agree that Zelensky's regime is fascist. Anyway, hopefully I'll be like you some day, and like you said, be able to teach the truth to the next generation. It always makes me happy when I see someone support Russia instead of condemning it like most people do.

If you want to, you should help me out arguing with fascists on this meme that I posted.
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I don't listen to any propaganda, there is also a lot that I disagree with Russia

Honestly I think you are very intelligent. Because you can agree that Russia has issues

Please list these issues - and then reflect on the extent to which they also exist within the NATO empire, to a far greater extent...

Let me be clear, I'm not saying other NATO members are perfect. The issues are censorship, freedom of association, the fact that Putin's party is the main party, even though it claims to be democratic, arresting people unjustly, and to be more specific, murdering Navalny. It's pretty obvious who's behind it. Before you argue, also please note that I am saying that this of course happens in other nations, and in NATO probably. I'm just also stating that these are even more noticeable in Russia because of the war.

About Putin's party, he was an independent candidate in the 2024 elections, which means he wasn't part of any party.

Ok... So somebody filled your ears with a whole bunch of CIA and MI-6 BULLSHIT, clearly.

Putin has 80%+ popularity in Russia, as shown by the US' NED's own paid-for polling.

There's no issue with "Freedom of Association" in Russia. Literally none. There ARE however, a bunch of CIA, MI-6, NED, and Soros sponsored "Regime Change" fronts and surrogates, that have properly been designated as hostile foreign agents and banned by the Government there. It's not an unwise move. See: OTPOR and the way that CIA-backed opposition groups have undermined the sovereignty and democracy of places like Serbia and Venezuela, and then get back to me. There's a good Italian made documentary called "The Revolutions Factory" as well, that I highly recommend.

Alexei Navalny was never a legitimate political threat to the Russian leadership. He was a CONVICTED Conman, and a western Intelligence Asset, who was serving a lengthy and justified prison sentence. He was certainly murdered, but not by the Russians, but rather, by his western backers, perhaps with the assistance of Kyril Budanov (Ukraine's CIA-trained top spy), who said that Navalny had died from a blood clot in his brain, essentially ratifying the findings of the Russian Government.

It made no sense for Russia to turn a marginal political figure (never more than 2% support within Russia, less popular than anti-western hardliners and Russia's communist party), then already a convicted prisoner - into a martyr... If that was their goal... Why kill him on the week of the Munich Security Conference, where "his wife" was invited to speak? Why do it as they were really starting to advance on the frontlines, and right before a Presidential election, that Vladimir Putin was only going to win? None of that makes ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER, from the Russian perspective. But it ALL made perfect sense for the NATO Empire. Navalny was farmore useful as an unconvinced and unsympathetic martyr, than he was as a prisoner.

I don't think that Russia goes around unjustly arresting people. Instead, they enforce the laws passed by the Russian legislative bodies, just as any other country does. Any country can pass unjust laws, and most do. But largely, Russia's are understandable, when you have an accurate understanding of the actual facts and context under which they're passed. They may single out western spies for arrest and punishment, as with Navalny and "Pussy Riot"... But please direct me to a country that you think wouldn't do that

Honestly. I can't argue with you anymore. You won

Seriously, thanks for a different view

*unconvincing and unsympathetic martyr

I ran out of space. But the point I was going to end up on in the penultimate paragraph - was that Navalny's death was used as political bludgeon by Biden, the NeoCons and their Transatlantic UK and NATO allies, to falsely malign Russia, publicly, and push for another round of funding for Ukraine's doomed war effort against Russia and ethnically Russian Ukrainians. At the time the Senate was trying to pass a big flood of arms and money to Ukraine, Taiwan and the Genocidal Zionist/Apartheid Entity, while the Republican controlled House was strongly opposed to funding the former, while actually supportive of the latter-two.