US Debt Clock March 24

Bidenomics is working!

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The US debt increase under 2 and a half years of the Biden presidency is roughly equal to the 1 year of 2020.

Oh no ! I wonder what happened in 2020?

My bad I thought we were complaining about the debt going up here... so I thought that the jump where it clearly went up beyond the general trend would be relevant. My mistake! 😂

Your mistake was voting for Joe Biden.

But that is beside the point...

What happened in 2020?

No mistake made there. Will most likely be voting for him again! 😄

Bipartisan covid relief, stimmy checks, QE, hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated Americans died, market crash, oil crash, that spike in US debt, America voted trump out, murder hornets... how long a list you want?

Some will pray for you, some will argue with you, I will just say they should eliminate the algorithm in 2024 that added 80,999,999 identical votes to your single ballot.

Your reply does not reflect the fact that their was no vaccine that existed in 2020.

What was the purpose of that disingenuous portion of your reply?

Perhaps it was merely a jest made in good natured political "sparring"

I request the entire list of what happened in 2020 that caused the spike in the national debt.

I know of only one.

Literally everyone I know of legal voting age (except for one my neighbors) voted for Biden and unless I'm living in the matrix, I'm pretty sure they're not an algorithm.

"..the fact that there was no vaccine that existed in 2020."

False by 1 month. It wasn't being distributed nationwide yet but the vaccine definitely existed December of 2020. Hospital staff were already getting jabbed.

But as far as the debt, according to investopedia: tax cuts, stimulus programs, increased government spending, and decreased tax revenue caused by widespread unemployment account for sharp rises in the national debt.

Pretty sure 2020 checks almost every box there.

I was there.

On the "front line" in hospitals.

Worked several vaccine clinics.

The first run of a limited supply shipped out in mid December 2020 was not available in sufficient quantity to even inoculate every hospital employee.

Again, disingenuous argument.

The sole cause of the national debt is:

The federal government spending more money than it makes. 🙁💰

Weird Fact: ~22% of the national debt is owed to the government itself. If they'd just keep their hands out of the social security cookie jar. 🙁💰

If the IRS issued no tax returns for the next 53 years the current debt would be paid off...but it will be in the gazillions by then so that won't work. 🙁💰

"I was there... The first run of a limited supply shipped out in mid December 2020.."

Bro... stop being disingenuous. The fact is that the vaccine didn't exist in 2020.

And as far as the debt...

Cool so I guess in 2020 the govt spent considerably more than usual, which created the jump in debt... which then returned to a more constant trajectory... and now that President Biden is in office... it is a big problem. Might even be impeachable! Especially if that "Big Guy" stuff goes nowhere.

If the govt stopped tax returns/ returning excess taxes paid to them, I would tend to think that would just incentivize people to try harder to pay exactly what is owed in taxes throughout the year.. no excess tax payments = no return... idk.

You posted an article confirming what I said in order to discredit my argument?

How odd.

"You know your statement that millions of Americans were unvaccinated in 2020 as a cause of increased national debt implied a vaccine was available to them in 2020 but was not."

You asked me what happened in 2020.

I listed a bunch of things that happened in 2020.

.... including "hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated Americans died". (Not millions.. and not necessarily related to national debt.. and to be clear "Murder Hornets" was also not necessarily related to the debt )

Once the vaccines were distributed nationwide in 2021, the unvaccinated continued dying disproportionately compared to the vaxxed.. so even if we had more vaccine in 2020 many would still have died unvaxxed. I had family and friends of family hospitalized and die in 2020 before the vaxxes were available.

And speaking of which.... I noticed you seem to be not calling the vaccine "murder juice" anymore... ? Is that only for when you're in vback threads or what?

Anywho if you wanted more specific answers maybe ask more specific questions.

Also I'm not an economist but im not necessarily sure your statement "The sole cause of the national debt is: the fed govt spending more money than it makes " is accurate.

Seems you're basically saying the sole cause of the national debt is the national deficit.

It would seem illogical to borrow money from other countries if we didn't have to.... but idk we're a global economy so maybe we would. (?) Idk. Im thinking along the lines of our "energy independence". Basically we have more oil/petroleum products than we need (we are a net exporter) ... yet we also still import oil... Not sure if that's a valid analogy here though. Maybe I'm wrong.

Also regarding your petty detail... yes. The further back you go, the more apparent it is that our debt is generally increasing exponentially. If you go scale the chart all the way back to the 1960s to now it kind of looks like a quarter pipe skate/bike ramp.

Your sarcasm regarding events that happened in 2020 unrelated to the debt is noted.

Sometimes I type murder juice, sometimes I type "vaccine", other times I type vaccine (sans quotation marks), still other times I type vax, I have even called it dope a time or two.

Is there a point to your identifying a change in terminology? Does it cause you consternation? Do you suspect a hidden meaning? A conspiracy?

What causes your personal deficit?

For clarity, I refer to your personal FINANCIAL deficit.

If you've never experienced one, what do you think would have caused one?

What causes your personal debt?

Again, if you've never experienced one, what do you think would have caused one?

I don't know that the US asks foreign countries to let them hold twenty until payday.

Perhaps in a roundabout way one could conflate the selling of treasury securities to the practice described above.

"You posted an article confirming what I said in order to discredit my argument?
How odd."

You posted a comment confirming what I said, while also claiming I was being disingenuous and disproving your own statement that the vaccine did not exist in 2020...but me... I'm odd... ok.🙄

Me:
"It wasn't being distributed nationwide yet but the vaccine definitely existed December of 2020. "

You:
"The first run of a limited supply shipped out in mid December 2020.....
disingenuous argument"

How is that disingenuous.......??🤨

You know your statement that millions of Americans
were unvaccinated in 2020 as a cause of increased national debt implied a vaccine was available to them in 2020 but was not.

You wished to nitpick and I conceded the point that in mid December 2020 a small amount of vaccine had been manufactured and shipped to medical facilities to begin offering to employees that wanted them.

There was not enough to go around to inoculate all healthcare staff, not enough to inoculate all that wanted it initially.

It was not until spring of the following year that the vaccine became first available to the general public.

I like it better when you arguments are better constructed without relying on petty detail.

How about this petty detail - you ignored the fact that the national debt has increased an equal amount in the last 3 years as it did the previous four.

Still a year to go.

And the percent of GDP being over 100% hasn't gone down.

Might even be slightly higher.

To quote your prophet:

"Come on, (insert applicable gender identity)"

Chart #1

Covid was barely here at the beginning of 2020 so it didn't contain 2 "winters of death" like 2021 did.

Chart #2

23% of the population of America was unvaccinated in Aug 2022 ... yet in that chart they represent 42% of the covid deaths. To put it a different way: the unvaccinated disproportionately died of covid.

Also many of the unvaccinated are younger people without comorbities who would generally be less likely to die from Covid... so theoretically (if the vaccine did nothing) you might expect the unvaccinated to disproportionately NOT die from covid (instead of the other way around)...

3rd section: Fair enough but I still wonder if we would/do (?) borrow $ even if/when we don't have to.. to support other currencies or for whatever reason.

My debt? 1. I'm not here to talk about me. 2. Individuals borrowing if they don't need to would make no sense.. and we're not exactly Global Economy scale.

"Murder juice".. just seemed weird I saw you say it that one time and that was it. Idk.

Bonus points for murder hornets. As if things weren't bad enough that year, we had them mofos on the horizon. Thank goodness Vancouver is an island!

Ya I understand them murder hornets was what caused all the excess deaths that year that they blamed on covid......and the LIBERAL MEDIA didnt even say a PEEP...which proves the cover up!! 😝

Yeah, how come you don't hear about people getting stung by hornets in the parking lot of the Walmart that year?
CHECKMATE, PLANNEDEMIC PEEPS!

Every single penny of that debt is because of Donald J. Trump. We needs to be tried in court and then forced him to pay us all back.

"Every single penny of that debt is because of Donald J. Trump." You have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't know you and how does reading your post indicate sarcasm? Add a wink or something to let us understand where you're coming from, otherwise, expect to be misunderstood. What's funny is that due to the lack of a comma, even your response can be read in the context that you just called yourself a "super sarcastic dipshit." 😂

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Poor Barry!

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Maybe check on your grammar before yapping.

“Check ON your grammar”? Lmfao. You are one to talk.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

You insulted yourself above though.