Critically injured palestinian, take 6. Get it right this time! Do I need to point this out?

International media was given a presentation of the attrocities committed by Hamas. Many reporters were so repulsed they couldn't make it through the entire 45 minute or so presentation. Some even had to get couseling after what they were shown. In one situation a father was executed and as his wife was serially raped by Hamas terrorists who threw their baby in an oven and turned up to 500 degrees as they continued their attrocites. All of this was captured on the Go-Pro cameras many Hamas terrorists wore during their attack. Many of these attrocites are posted on islamist social media sites. One guy is recorded telling his parents, jubilantly, that he killed 10 Jews with his bare hands.
Israel has dropped over a million flyers telling Palestinians to move to the south along specific corridors where they will not be harmed and where humanitarian aid is available, the evil IDF has even eliminated carloads of Hamas really really nice guys who were shooting the fleeing refugees so they couldn't go south. The truth is out there if it even matters to you.

That does not excuse the atrocities that Israel has done. There was a mosque where multiple people were making their prayer. All went and prostrated except for an Israeli citizen, who then open fired upon them, while in their prostration, killing 23, children and adults, and injuring lots of more. Many IDF units and civilians are targeting innocent Palestinian civilians who literally did nothing. Israel is also deliberately targeting hospitals where many women and children are being taken care of. Israel said they warned them of the incoming air strikes, but how are they going to transport hundreds of patients in critical conditions out of there, let alone find them another hospital? Although I do believe that the atrocities you listed are extremely horrendous, it doesn’t account for all of Palestine. My first example doesn’t account for all of Israel, but the ones listed after are a common practice of the IDF, which accounts for Israel as a whole.

Okay, then would proportionality be justified? Israel still has another 1400 or so to kill just to be fair. This is a preposterous statement to be clear. Did Hamas drop flyers warning the Isrealis they would be doing their daily rocket launches? Hamas has shot hundreds of rockets a day into Israel for years. Israel has declared safe passage corridors to the southern border of Gaza where humanitarian aid can be brought in through the Egyptian border. Hamas blocks palestinians from moving south. Hamas uses the largest hospital compound in Gaza City for their headquarters and access to their 310 mile tunnel system. They have also ordered 30,000 palestinians at gunpoint not not leave and go to safe zones Israel has designated for them in the south. You are wrong when you say Israel is targeting civilians and hospitals, they specifically do not. Does that mean they are perfect in avoiding collateral damage ( a horribly understated term)? No. If you study the attacks on Gaza over the past several weeks you see just how surgical their targeting has been. They are going after known, specific Hamas targets, no matter what the news media tries to portray. Think of the optics of placing your headquarters in a hosptial or school, or mosque or church and then being able to cry foul whenever your evil operation is attacked. That is the strategy of Hamas and all violent Islamist groups. They play international media like a Stradavarius.
The ground incursion by the IDF has sought to divide Gaza in half, with the military focus on Hamas installations in the north, this after urging civilians to move south for their own safety. Hamas doesn't care who dies, their own, or tourists from other nations-- all tehy want to do is kill every living Jew on the planet. You can't deny that-- they say it every day for decades now. So if Israel "bombs" a hospital, is that worse than declaring death to every living Jew and then activiely trying to accomplish that? Israel is about the same size as New Jersey, surrounded by hostile factions on all sides. Should they take the threats of genocide seriously, or just lay down and die because Hamas says so?

If proportionality was justified, then Palestine should just kill 6600 more innocent Israeli people to be even, as the casualties of Palestine from the conflict are 8000, while Israeli casualties from the conflict are 1400. So if only Palestine dropped flyers saying that they would bomb their community, then they wouldn't be that bad? Would Russia be labeled as a war criminal if they announced to Ukraine that they would attack their country? The number of rockets Hamas launched at Israel is incomparable to the number of rockets launched by Israel at Palestine. Oh, so you think Israel has compassion for Palestine? When they deprived them of food, water, and the internet? When they use phosphorus bombs instead of at least traditional bombs? When they airstriked humanitarian aid for Palestine? Why would Palestinian people walk through the gates opened by the very country that bombed their entire home and killed their family member(s)? Even if Hamas did open the gates, why would they go? That is the very country that destroyed their hometown and killed their family members. How would they trust them after that and the airstrikes Israel did on refugees, despite announcing them to flee an incoming bombing? I did research on the hamas blockade of Palestinians, and the only source that says that is https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-gaza-resident-says-hamas-preventing-evacuations-thousands-return-north/, which is an official news station of Israel, which is not a good source since it tends to have a lot of bias. Even one of the most known news station, CNN, states that they were told by random news networks that this was true, although CNN quoted their statements in Doubt (source: https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/27/politics/hundreds-of-foreign-nationals-remain-stranded-in-gaza-as-evacuation-efforts-remain-stalled-amid-talks/index.html). This is all part of their plan to get rid of every Palestinian on their land. The only reason they did this was to protect their image as war criminals; otherwise, they would just go on relentless bombings until every single Palestinian person was dead. If Hamas using hospitals as their bases were true (likely not), it is still not an excuse to bomb a whole hospital just to kill a few Hamas units within there, only if they refused to leave after being warned about the incoming bombing. They would have figured surprise ground operations were more efficient to clear out Hamas units from hospitals if they actually didn't want to hurt ppl.

They would have figured surprise ground operations were more efficient to clear out Hamas units from hospitals if they actually didn't want to hurt people. Continuing from my argument inconveniently cut off by Imgflip's 2500 character limit. Also, I doubt what you said about Hamas putting 30000 Palestinians on gunpoint, since you would only cite biased sources. As I said, they could have used ground operations to sweep the hospital area instead of bombing the entire hospital if they didn't want to cause any civilian casualties, waste their resources, and catch them by surprise. So why would they announce a whole bombing at a hospital, guaranteeing that the whole Hamas organization would evacuate the hospital if they actually wanted to avoid collateral damage? You see, you only read about their attacks without thoroughly interpreting it. They say they are going through known, specific Hamas bases, when in fact they are just blowing up the most vulnerable places. Like I said, they would have used ground operations to clear buildings of Hamas organizations, not bombing. That is not the strategy of extremist organizations, and Hamas is not an extremist organization; rather, it is a rebellion group against Zionists. The Zionists are actually terrorists, using made-up excuses for their bombings of vulnerable places like Mosques, Schools, Hospitals, etc. Israel focuses on the safety of Palestinian citizens? Like cutting their water, food, electricity, internet, and even humanitarian aid? Don't tell me that they are offering humanitarian because its not for the Palestinian people's good. Hamas isn't some random extremist organization from the middle east, it consists of people who lost their sons, daughters, wives, mothers, or fathers from the attacks of Israel. Dude... where did you get your actual sources for these words? I do have the right to deny this, because what you are saying I can't even comprehend where you even got this from. They absolutely did not say that. They are the size of New Jersey, but they literally have the support of the United States thanks to a shriveled bag of bones we call the president. Even if Hamas was threatening genocide (Highly doubt not), they shouldn't target innocent Palestinian people.

Clearing the buildings is one thing. Clearing the 500 km of tunnels underneath the buildings where murderers hide is another. Israel already launched an offensive against tunnels under one hospital compound and will continue to attack other compounds as they seal off the largest Hamas compound. This may take years to eliminate the people who torment their own people. Why are the three top Hamas leaders billionaires? They are richer than Donald Trump and they live in massive mansions-- not in Gaza. They only take from Gaza, they don't care about teh civilians, only their own personal power and wealth. How can you support thes thieves?
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. Start looking with a different set of eyes for the truth. If you find that Israel has actually done all it accused of, then fine, just remember Hamas called babies Israeli military, because they only attacked military, not civilians on October 7th..

So what does that have to do with many hospitals and refugee places being bombed without a proper reason (genuinely asking)? I am not supporting the leaders of Hamas; I am supporting the Hamas movement, which was made in retaliation of Israel's forces displacing and attacking Palestinians. Also, they called the Israeli military babies because they didn't attack civilians. Can you cite sources? I would be more than happy to dive deeper.

Hospitals and refugee places aren't being bombed. The hospital where supposedly 500 people were killed is still standing. How do we know? The roof was covered with solar panels for electricity, and none of the solar panels are damaged, subsequently the hospital isn't damaged. The rocket was fired by jihadist and misfired into a parking lot beside the hospital. Haven't seen this proof? Change your sources of information.
Here's Hamas video of the launch and impact of that rocket
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTgMa34Kh9o&pp=ygUcaXNyYWVsIGJvbWIgaG9zcGl0YWwgaW4gZ2F6YQ%3D%3D
Above is a video of an airstrike at a Palestinian hospital that Israeli forces denies (BBC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dz0W3y4jvQ&pp=ygUgaXNyYWVsIGJvbWIgcmVmdWdlZSBjYW1wIGluIGdhemE%3D
Also above is a video of an airstrike of a refugee camp by Israeli Forces (CBS)
Please show me some videos from reliable broadcasting networks (no association with the Israeli or Palestinian government), as it is pretty hard to figure out what is going on in a few frames of pixels.

Whatever

*Also, they called the Israeli military babies because they didn't attack civilians?*
I had to replace the period with a question mark

Really? All you have to do is listen to what they are saying on their GoPro videos. They say it in their own words. If you place no value on the truth and only want to puke out platitudes and repeat slogans, please stop commenting on my memes.
Hamas is killing palestinians too. Hospitals are running out of fuel while Hamas has 100,000 gallons in tunnels under the hospitals. There is audio of a hospital administrator being ordered to pump the hospital generator fuel to Hamas in the tunnels. Hamas is stealing the humanitarian aid coming into Rafah. Why is Egypt refusing to allow one palestinian refugee into Egypt? They don't want them and all the evil they bring with them. Hamas doesn't care about civilians, why? Because they place no value on any human life, unless it can be manipulated to mislead the idiots in Western media- not very hard to do.

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Oh, alright then. Well it was a nice arguement with you, but unfortunately we have to part ways, as you and I have stuff to do.

Call it even

Alright, show me the videos then.

The Jesus describes Satan as a murderer from the beginning, who does not stand on the truth becasue there is no truth in him, speaking lies since he is the father of lies, yes he steals, kills and destroys. Sounds exactly like Islam to me.
When someone has been decieved by lies for long enough, the truth never penetrates. I made my living for decades as an analyst. I had to be right 100% of the time or I could cost my clients millions of dollars, so I learned early how to discern the truth and I served my clients faithfully and successfully. Lies stand out to me, distortions stand out to me, I know how to determine truths and partial truths. I can show you the truth, and it will never change your presuppositions.
I've presented facts and questions to you and you never answer them, you just respond with the same old propaganda the PA, Hamas, Hezbolla, Iran, etc have puked out for decades that has been proven to be lies time and time again. To use an old farm expression, you can put mayonaise on a pile of chicken shit but that doesn't make it chicken salad. Save your mayonaise, it won't work with me.

I am still forming my argument, so please wait patiently. Thank you for your time.

Please start a new comment, so there is room for us to discuss. We'll get to a point where we can't reply directly to each comment if we don't. Thanks!

Sure! I will make a new comment.