What am I supposed to say? Heisenberg?

We don't need to eat cows to live, its a kind of luxury. There is a reason we are omnivorous.

Hey, at least some of them are genuine discussions

I’m aware of that and I do agree, but as I’ve already said: for people like Ridley, it amounts to genocide.
We should make the most of moments like this, when people are open to discussion, to perhaps change their minds.

And that argument won’t work very well if they believe that abortion is so morally wrong in itself. We shouldn't jump so much ahead, we need to work with their baseline.

Could you give a source for your claims?