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Socialism is GOOD in politics
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I would agree with you on those Points, pretty much all of them. Especially on the point that Hitler was not evil in its purest form, he did evil stuff there is no denying but the fact of the matter is that he probably thought he wasn't doing anything evil. My theory on that would be that has something to do with what i call "the perceived morality" of his surroundings and fellow people. What i mean by that is that different cultures and or communities have different views on morality, for example there are diaries of first "normal" citizens of Nazi germany who got forced to work in KZ's at first they wrote about how horrible and immoral some other workers there are. The more time they used to work there, mainly they stayed because they had no other choice, the more they started to become the ones they called immoral before. Also there are some scientific experiments proving if you give people the power to "play god" they sooner or later will become more and more abusive of said power, sadly i can't seem to remember how that experiments was called.

My main intention behind the meme was to use the same tactics today's leftist's use comparing their "enemies" as Nazis as MyrianWaffleEV pointed out. Not to shame them but one to point out their intellectual laziness and second to show them how hypocritical they actually are, especially so called "antifa" who acts in a lot of ways how the "SS" did, burning books etc. Some would call me far right or right wing for that, in reality i don't really know. I believe in many classic "liberal" believes like everybody is created equal and should have equal opportunities but i also believe in limited government and low taxes.

The main reason that i believe socialism never will work is because it calls for big government. I believe wholeheartedly that government always sucks and will suck based on the lack of "forced competition", government usually always gets paid no matter how bad they do, look at venezuela currently look at the soviet union or east germany especially. The people employed by the government like their politicians usually did not do as bad as the rest of the working class people. Government breads corruption the bigger it gets the worse it becomes. People just don't know about having power but not to use it, myself included.
Socialism is GOOD in politics
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Ow and by the way thanks for the civil discussion i really enjoyed it so far.
Socialism is GOOD in politics
1 up, 5y
I still have to disagree with you on the point that the underlying ideology is still the same. The oxford dictionaries definition of socialism is "socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
Now agreed Hitler did not act on those bases at all but he still believed in those values.
He saw big corporations and banks, at that time often fully or partially owned by jewish folk as the enemy. You can find multiple statements from Hitler about the evils of capitalism and he often blamed problems created by capitalism on the jews like the 1929 stock market crash. That is probably the biggest difference between Hitler's interpretation of socialist doctrine and that of today's left.

Today's left still values the group over the individual they may fight for group equality but not individual equality. In other words as long as you believe what we tell you to believe you are alright but if you start thinking differently you will get "thrown out" of society mildly put.

Example: if you are a "black" person the left wants you to think that you are being hold back by society because of your skin colour, but if you are "black" and you dont believe that you often will find that they will ostracize that "black" person.Now i know you are not supposed to say "black person" no more, what i want to point out is if one individual starts to think differently they often get attacked and insulted.

Or if you are a woman who believes in pro life. We saw that at the women's march where women who believed in the pro live narrative were disinvited.

That is the underlying ideology of socialism Group over Individual.
Socialism is GOOD in politics
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Thats maybe your teachers view let's see what Hitler said about Socialism with a few direct Quotes:

Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.
"Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Speech also known as "Why Are We Anti-Semites?" Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager. [1]

Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism… How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist!
"Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager. [2]

Because it seems inseparable from the social idea and we do not believe that there could ever exist a state with lasting inner health if it is not built on internal social justice, and so we have joined forces with this knowledge.
"Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager. [3]