Show me where it talks about hell in the old testament................ still waiting....... Oh, nowhere? Ok, now that we've got that settled... Tell me about this new testament jebus chap, who is all loving and forgiving, yet is going to suffer souls to eternal hellfire and damnation for even minor transgressions, like non-belief in invisible beings, or wanting better than what they have... I can't understand how christain's can proclaim all of this perfectly obvious BS with straight faces... lmao
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Your opening move fails at the level of basic definitions.
Atheism answers one question only: Do you believe a god exists? My answer is no. Agnosticism answers a different question: Do you claim certain knowledge? My answer is also no. These positions are not contradictory; they address different axes — belief vs. knowledge. Saying “you’re either agnostic or atheist” is like saying someone can be either skeptical or uncertain, but not both. That is a category error, not an argument.
Anti-theism is not the claim that only religion is abused by power.
It is the claim that religions uniquely grant moral immunity to unverified authority. Yes, humans weaponize tools — but only religion allows atrocities to be framed as divinely mandated and therefore beyond moral appeal. Science makes no such claim. When science is misused (e.g., social Darwinism), it is corrected by better science. When religion is misused, it is shielded by faith.
Your “science without morals” dystopia misunderstands where morals actually come from.
Morality long predates Christianity and long outlives it. Empathy, reciprocity, fairness, and harm-reduction are products of evolutionary social behavior and philosophical refinement — not revelations. Science does not prescribe values; it tests claims about reality. Ethics belongs to philosophy and human consequences, not to laboratories.
As for “I’m not atheist because there’s no evidence, but because I refuse to see it” — that’s not a rebuttal.
That’s an accusation without a demonstration. If evidence were present, it could be presented. Assertions are not evidence. Ancient texts are not evidence. Personal feelings are not evidence. Claims about the universe require universal-grade proof, not regional tradition.
Finally, your defense quietly concedes the central problem.
You admit religion has repeatedly aligned with conquest, kings, censorship, coercion, and mass violence — yet you excuse it by saying “humans misuse everything.” That does not absolve a system that repeatedly blesses the misuse as holy.
My position is simple and fully coherent:
I do not claim certainty about ultimate metaphysics (agnostic).
I do not believe any gods have met the burden of proof (atheist).
I oppose institutions that claim moral authority based on unverifiable commands (anti-theist).
As Hitchens said:
“Religion poisons everything.”
Not because every believer is cruel —
but because belief without evidence + absolute certainty + divine authority is one of the most dangerous combinations the human mind can produce.
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On Meaning Without God
Camus showed that the universe does not need to provide meaning for meaning to exist.
Spinoza showed that nature does not require a supernatural dictator to be worthy of awe.
Russell showed that ethics do not require divine surveillance.
Dawkins showed that complexity arises from natural processes, not magic.
I do not reject meaning.
I reject the idea that meaning must come from something unproven, authoritarian, and ancient.
My values come from:
• Human well-being
• Evidence
• Reason
• Consent
• Reducing suffering
• Expanding knowledge
Not from fear of punishment by an invisible authority.
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On Why I Oppose Religious Imposition
You are free to worship.
You are not free to impose that worship on me, my body, my education, my medicine, my science, or my future.
When religious belief tries to write laws, restrict rights, control knowledge, or override evidence, it stops being faith and becomes coercion.
And coercion justified by supernatural authority is one of the oldest and bloodiest tools in human history.
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My Position, Precisely Summarized
• I do not claim certainty about ultimate metaphysical truth → agnostic
• I do not believe in gods due to lack of evidence → atheist
• I oppose organized religion because of its demonstrable harm → anti-theist
This is not rebellion.
This is not hatred.
This is not nihilism.
It is intellectual self-defense.
