Show me where it talks about hell in the old testament................ still waiting....... Oh, nowhere? Ok, now that we've got that settled... Tell me about this new testament jebus chap, who is all loving and forgiving, yet is going to suffer souls to eternal hellfire and damnation for even minor transgressions, like non-belief in invisible beings, or wanting better than what they have... I can't understand how christain's can proclaim all of this perfectly obvious BS with straight faces... lmao
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Your opening move fails at the level of basic definitions.
Atheism answers one question only: Do you believe a god exists? My answer is no. Agnosticism answers a different question: Do you claim certain knowledge? My answer is also no. These positions are not contradictory; they address different axes ā belief vs. knowledge. Saying āyouāre either agnostic or atheistā is like saying someone can be either skeptical or uncertain, but not both. That is a category error, not an argument.
Anti-theism is not the claim that only religion is abused by power.
It is the claim that religions uniquely grant moral immunity to unverified authority. Yes, humans weaponize tools ā but only religion allows atrocities to be framed as divinely mandated and therefore beyond moral appeal. Science makes no such claim. When science is misused (e.g., social Darwinism), it is corrected by better science. When religion is misused, it is shielded by faith.
Your āscience without moralsā dystopia misunderstands where morals actually come from.
Morality long predates Christianity and long outlives it. Empathy, reciprocity, fairness, and harm-reduction are products of evolutionary social behavior and philosophical refinement ā not revelations. Science does not prescribe values; it tests claims about reality. Ethics belongs to philosophy and human consequences, not to laboratories.
As for āIām not atheist because thereās no evidence, but because I refuse to see itā ā thatās not a rebuttal.
Thatās an accusation without a demonstration. If evidence were present, it could be presented. Assertions are not evidence. Ancient texts are not evidence. Personal feelings are not evidence. Claims about the universe require universal-grade proof, not regional tradition.
Finally, your defense quietly concedes the central problem.
You admit religion has repeatedly aligned with conquest, kings, censorship, coercion, and mass violence ā yet you excuse it by saying āhumans misuse everything.ā That does not absolve a system that repeatedly blesses the misuse as holy.
My position is simple and fully coherent:
I do not claim certainty about ultimate metaphysics (agnostic).
I do not believe any gods have met the burden of proof (atheist).
I oppose institutions that claim moral authority based on unverifiable commands (anti-theist).