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it's a tool to preserve democratic freedoms for all people; not a sacred text to enforce the demands of a self-absorbed few | WITH CONSERVATIVES IT'S ALWAYS 'CONSTITUTION' THIS AND 'CONSTITUTION' THAT; YOU NOTICE HOW NONE OF THEM SEEM TO MENTION THE WORD 'DEMOCRACY'? | image tagged in politics,conservative,constitution,democracy | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Sorry dudes. For all your yakking I know the good ol' USA is a democracy first and the constitution of the United States is an instrument of that democracy.When a conservative invokes the constitution they're interested in preserving their own power. The 'law of the land' is in fact not what is written in the constitution but what is passed by the congress abiding by the structures of the constitution.

Anyway, I hate to poop on your victory parade, but in 100 years time, when neither you nor I am around to see it. The nation. much less the world, will look more like I want it to be than you want it to. This has nothing to do with welfare lines and gov'ment spending as much as freedom of expression and liberty of thought.The fight is not about singular individual liberty but about the liberty of the greater citizenry. Parade all you want but eventually individual liberty will prevail over the power of the entitled few.
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0 ups, 8y,
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Article 4 section 4 of the Constitution: “the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government.”
1 up, 8y,
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Democratic form of Republican government.
0 ups, 8y,
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The Federalist Papers reveal a fervent bias against the classic notion of democracy. The word itself is practically a pejorative: mob rule.
1 up, 8y,
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The so-called 'founding fathers' sought a break against mob rule, but they did definitely support the will of the people. The bill of rights exists to ensure basic rights against the dictatorship of the majority, but there is no question that the American republic was created in mind with the idea of democratic structures in place to mitigate the rulle of the powerful.
0 ups, 8y,
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Which concept is abandoned every time liberals see fit to run to the courts to impose their ideology on the majority, eliminating both majority rule and balance of powers in the process. In my personal opinion.
1 up, 8y,
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Well, the courts exist as one part of the triumvirate that guarantees balance of powers. It works for both wings of the political spectrum. The recent rulings allowing businesses to disallow their employees to obtain paid-for contraception from the insurance obtained through their employer if the employer feels it violates their religious beliefs is a decision definitely hewing to the right. A verdict that claims 'religious liberty' but violates the liberties of those employed to get medical services they (freely) want. It puts a brake on the liberties of a large number of people to enhance the power of a few. Conservatives run to the courts just as often. How many times has Obamacare been challenged?
1 up, 8y,
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Obamacare and all social hand out programs were illegal until FDR came along and decided he knew more about transfer of cash and benefits to citizens than the founding forefathers who to a one despised the very concept.

So probably needn't ask me to comment on the acidity of the soil after the herds of mongrels have trampled the pasture.
2 ups, 8y,
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Still it's all legal today, even by the standards of a relatively conservative Supreme Court. And FDR led the US through tough times. So far we've had a decent debate, relatively calm and measured. Let's just say I don't believe that a minority opinion can determine what the founding fathers intended or how the constitution should be interpreted. I'll stand by an open society and leave it at that.
1 up, 8y,
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Fair enough. Yes, no point being uncivil about such things. Checked out your memes...quite funny.
2 ups, 8y
Thanks. I understand your position, I really do. Just different views.
2 ups, 8y,
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DEMOCRACY: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

REPUBLIC: a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.

CONSTITUTION: the system of fundamental principles according to which a nation, state, corporation, or the like, is governed.

The constitution is a tool. A very good tool but there is nothing about the document which makes it the be all and end all. Democracy and freedom for the citizens is the end game.
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Rebublic:a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

Article IV US Constitution: Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a "republican form of government", and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence
0 ups, 8y,
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Your turn. Now, show me the word Democracy in the Constituition.
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1 up, 8y,
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I figured that is the main point of the meme, democracy isn't really a part of the constitution.
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Then why should Conservatives focus on it?
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0 ups, 8y,
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I don't seem to be drawing the same conclusions about this meme as you. I could easily ask you why conservatives should focus on immutable governance?
0 ups, 8y,
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He is showing what he purports to be a Conservative holding up the Constitution and declares that "none of them seem to mention democracy". I merely pointed out that the word Democracy is not in the Constitution so if Conservatives are always quoting the Constitution, why would they say the word Democracy. Thee end.
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0 ups, 8y,
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ok, I read it as pointing out how conservatives are focused on personal rights, rather than general democracy of opinion.
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The word 'guns' isn't in the constitution either but are implied by 'well-armed' and 'militia'. the founders started with the idea of creating a democracy, the constitution was created to execute that democratic form of government. That the actual word 'democracy' isn't in the constitution itself is mere textual criticism. The constitution is a base, not a ceiling; It allows for greater freedoms to be created and does not constrain people's rights merely to what's exactly in the document. The government can allow more freedoms and rights, they just can't take away the basic ones. The constitution indicates a republican form of government, thus the people are represented by their duly constituated government, which means the government is not the enemy but the tool of the people (though god knows they f**k things up often enough, but that's why we have voting, right?).

Conservatives are focused on personal rights, but on their own rights, often to the detriment of the rights and freedoms of others. That's Cliven Bundy holding up the constitution. His sons led the takeover of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge. They were acting on their own selfish desires and subjective interpretations of the constitution with no concern for democratic processes or the demos ('people'). One person or one minority group does not determine what the constitution means or how it's applied. I didn't mean, in my original meme, that the word 'democracy' was in the constitution, I meant that conservatives tend to ignore everyone else in pursuit of their wants and misinterpret laws and founding documents to do so.
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Let's not ignore the Bundy's are Mormon extremists. Any extremist group will have selfish and wild interpretations of any text, including the constitution. They don't see the word democracy in it and that is very convenient for their agenda.
3 ups, 8y
Conservatives are selfish. I don't say that to be partisan, but their interpretations of American law and constitutional reflections on it tend to be considered in the immediate area of said interpreter. It's a refined mind that can see beyond their perceptive environs. A true liberal will see the community and not get overly absorbed in the communal concerns and see the individual in the mass.The United States of America didn't get created so that a minority number of privileged citizens can experience freedom, but that the overall hoi-polloi may receive the greatest amount of considered rights.
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