But That's None Of My Business

Looks like tetris to me

yeah... it does

PRO SPELLING!

Death penelty.... Not sure what that is.... But is it anything like Loreena Bobbit's punishment of Penial Death?

I get grammar nazis all the time too :)

Some are . But, not a great comparison when you think of the differences in a murderer/rapists and an innocent baby.

Exactly, we believe choices have consequences. Choose to murder, death penalty. Choose to have sex, you get pregnant.

When will liberals realize the death penalty and abortion are far from the same thing?

When confronted with irrefutable facts liberals will resort to name calling and misdirection. They are, at large, ignorant people. Those who aren't ignorant are intentionally trying to undermine America as the greatest country in the world.

Just making sure I got this right...

so, why don't we just off half the people on the dole...that, too, would save money and get rid of a lot of riff raff instead of innocent babies.

That's cool too if you want to take them all in and feed them, assist them, etc.

Can we stop all corporate welfare while we are at it? that costs us WAY more.

Good change off of subject. Classic liberal move. This is about abortion (The killing of human offspring)

Ummm...ypu changed the subject and brought up:
"why don't we just off half the people on the dole...that, too, would save money and get rid of a lot of riff raff "

You DO remember doing that, right?

I was responding to your meme that also went off topic!

Mine was specifically about banning abortion. Abortion was the topic of the meme.

The meme is comparing abortion to the death penalty in which there is very little similarity.

Either way.

Sadly, something so complex as that wouldn't occur to the kind of people who just want the easy way out.

Sure that would be AWESOME!! How do you propose that happens?

It's getting more and more difficult in many states. And if it's ever banned completely you will see two things for sure:

1. An increase of dead women dying from unsafe abortions
2. An increase of welfare program funding to take care many of the children born to the ones that go full term.

Bonus #3- More children abused and causing viscous cycles of unwanted children, bad parenting and crime funded by tax payers.

I defy you to produce one peer reviewed study to support your claims!

;-) Sound familiar? I really don't give a shit if you produce one or not, I've just been waiting to use that line!

Why don't you get a vasectomy, you slob? Why is it my responsibility to pay for your kid's welfare because you wanted some fun on a Saturday night?

Why is it your right to say someone can't have an abortion?

I have every right to speak out against atrocities. It is my human right and my obligation. I am a humane person. Abortion by demand is barbaric and uncivilized. Why do you have a right to say someone can kill someone else?

Actually, that's not what he's saying.
Note the phrase "get a vasectomy". He is saying that people have a responsibility to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place, through birth control or abstinence.

Those who want to restrict abortions believe what they are saying is " you don't have the right to commit murder."
The central issue here is really whether or not abortion is murder. There are several tangenital issues that people get distracted by in the abortion issue. But the central issue is whether or not it is murder.

Because you are killing a human being with a unique DNA sequence, unique fingerprints and different than either parent. As a unique human, that baby is entitled to all the freedoms, especially the right to life. Now please tell me why you cannot control your own genitalia and try some form of birth control, and then tell me why I am responsible for raising your bastard children when you can't get a tiny little operation?

Again, you are assuming a human fetus is a human being.

As for your other question: if you are going to limit the ability to allow a woman to have an abortion you should take on the reaponsibilty. Like it or not having the abortion is probably more responsible than not. Limiting access to safe abortion will result in more deaths including the actual human being hosting the fetus.

A fetus/ is an unborn mammal or usually human baby (That is the definition-look it up). Therefore; a baby is a human being. So, abortion is killing of a baby human being.

Except a fetus is NOT a baby. It's a fetus.

Using your own logic you could say a fetus is an adult human.

PS- you left of a KEY component of that definition:
an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby MORE THAN EIGHT WEEKS AFTER CONCEPTION.

Keep in mind the only reason they mention "baby" at all is that at the time of BIRTH the offspring is a "baby" as opposed to a Human toddler, teenager or adult. In other words being UNBORN is key to the definition of FETUS. See below for more detail.

I found another defintion: the developing young in the uterus, specifically the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, which in humans is from the third month after fertilization until birth. (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Fetus)

Conception> Zygote>embryo>fetus> BIRTH > baby

Do you think a zygote or embryo is a "baby" too? Because they aren't.

Let's keep in mind late term abortions are not legal in most cases where the fetus is viable outside the mother. These are typically done as a last resort due the mothers life being threatened. Good info here: http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_PLTA.pdf

Zygote...hmm well you have cow and pig zygotes and then you have HUMAN zygotes. So, I assume a HUMAN zygote is an immature human being. Just as a Pig zygote is an immature pig. If not, why call them by specific species? Think about it if you can.

Sure the species is necessary to differentiate when you are looking at multiple samples. click here and try your best: https://www.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/embryo/embryoflash.html

Does it matter that I can't pick a human baby out of those samples

You can't see a shark swimming up under you either, that doesn't mean it isn't there. You know darn well DNA differentiates! You may not be fully human (the world may never know) But, a human zygote, human embryo and human fetus is a human.

I guess you took the quiz and got it wrong.

BUT- Yep. You're right. A human zygote, human embryo and human fetus is of the human species. Just not a baby....UNTIL the fetus is born. Then it's a baby. A **HUMAN** baby if you really need to label it.

Sure ill take the test.

But quick.point.

Earlier I think u posted that embryo was blah blah blah until 8 weeks....

Okay, so is that ur timeline... Before then abortion is okay but afterwards its not?

Cause I am about 6 weeks pregnant. My BABY has a heart beat already.

And the arguement that fetuses are dependant on the mother to survive therefore are not their own being....

Uhhh.. humans as a species are BORN unable to take care of ourselves and are still completely dependant on our mothers to survive.

Just some thoughts. Go find you rebuttals or insults.

Okay, sorry I put our mothers. But we are still born dependant of others was my point.

If the word baby is part of the problem, what about offspring? It doesn't matter what word we use because what both sides are missing is its a LIFE.

It is in a dependant state, but so are infants. I've never believed an unborn child to be part of a woman's body, because its not me, its my child and the child of its father, but it is not us.

I think everyone is focusing on what to call it and find defeniftions to 'prove' they are in the right.

I understand the law as it stands, I'm just an activist for change in that law to be mote humane in the reasons behind the medical procedure and when it should be allowed.

Do u have one that was written for a scientific journal instead of for pro-choice or pro-life? I don't hold much stock in any article written FOR a specific group even if I'm in it, because the author can be bias and twist facts to serve their purpose, as u have seen on here already.

I will check it out, but still think that it is a life, even if it isn't self sustainable.

Read the article. Babies are not dependent on their mothers exclusively. Any responsible person can rake care if a baby.

I don't need insults. I have facts.

The article I was referring to is here: http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/fetusperson.shtml

I got it right. The lizard and fish were easy to figure out were not human. The chicken didn't show a placenta so I Discounted it. Then the dog just looked to curled up.

It would have been a huge help to know how many weeks into the pregnancy we were looking for. Us pregnant women and dads to be are show pictures of what our baby looks like all the time.

An immature human is a zygote and an embryo and a fetus; Therefore, a human baby. To kill a human baby is murder. You, therefore, believe in murdering human babies.And , it is quite obvious you will go to great lengths to try to convince others to do the same. Perhaps you have no soul to worry about. You also are still off topic of the meme.

Remember it's a human embryo or a Human zygote, or human fetus.....when the species is unclear. But it's never a human BABYembryo, zygote or fetus.

A baby is BORN. These are science terms I'm not making this stuff up.

Look- if you want to believe whatever you want- that's fine with me but facts are facts. A zygote/embryo/fetus is NOT a baby. Not A baby human, horse, elephant, whatever. A baby is a born. A zygote/embryo/fetus is NOT a baby as much as a baby is not a zygote/embryo or fetus.

small or immature of its kind...that is what it says . You just don't want to admit it.

Baby carrots are born from adult carrots? Hahahahahahaha

Wrong again: a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
"his wife's just had a baby"
synonyms: infant, newborn, child, tot, little one; More
2.
informal
a young woman or a person with whom one is having a romantic relationship (often as a form of address).
"my baby left me for another guy"
adjective
1.
comparatively small or immature of its kind.
"a baby grand piano"
synonyms: miniature, mini, little, small, small-scale, scaled-down, toy, pocket, vest-pocket, midget, dwarf; More
verb

It says "especially"...look that word up. Then look at comparatively small or immature of its kind. Ok we solved that a Zygote and an Embryo and a Fetus is in fact a baby by definiton .So, so why do you believe in the killing of babies?

Are you really this obtuse?

Look that one up if you need to.

She CAN't have a fetus, as I said. The act of BIRTH predicates the offspring being a "baby".

I am so glad that a monster like you can live with your genitalia overriding your brain and you have to kill a baby in the womb or else assume someone else is responsible for the actions of your sex life. I am not assuming anything. That fetus is a human being with a unique DNA sequence and it is simply a matter of advancing technology that allows premature infants to survive, earlier and earlier. You should have yourself neutered or perhaps a lobotomy would be better. You should have been aborted and maybe it's not too late because you are not human in the least.

I agree. I think to be classified as a human you must first be HUMANE. I bet he would hug a tree, though.

A fetus is an Immature human being. Simple as that. If you kill it, you have killed the mature human it would have become.

If they would allow more kids in our house I would happily open my arms to any children unwanted by their parents.

Our issue is that u can no longer have more than two heartbeats per bedroom, no matter how big the room is. We have two huge bedrooms that could easily room three kids each, but the government u want to stop controlling womens bodies... DOES control family size in other ways as well.