Vote Bernie Sanders

*government

Yep ... missed that one.

*gub'mint

The "someone else's" makes this meme. Lol. :)

Now everyone is getting hammered....lol

The Obama haters found a new target. I was worried about what you would do with all the free time you will have once Obama is out of office.

We don't hate Obama. Hate is a word bandied about by non-thinking, "free" handout sheep to vilify anyone who doesn't agree with them and stifle any conversation. You'll notice I didn't attack Bernie personally ... just his policies and ideas. Hate? No, we just love the freedoms that liberals hate. With freedom comes responsibility and liberals hate anyone or anything having responsibility other than government.

Republicans give away much more "free stuff" than any Democrat ever dreamed of. Defense contracts for unneeded weapon systems, tax-breaks, low-interest loans and subsidies for corporations, tax loopholes for the wealthy to name a few, collectively costing far more than all welfare combined. Neither party has a monopoly on "free stuff."

Don't forget the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) that Bush rolled out during the financial crisis of 2008, secretly went into bankers pockets, and then the gigantic $7.7 trillion in secret emergency lending that the Fed awarded to Wall Street.

*quantitative
(giggle you said back door)

Back door in that secret QE is purportedly being done through Belgium Luxembourg Ireland Cayman Islands. Ongoing monetization of Federal debt.

That's the funniest comment I've EVER read.

Bob, thank you so much, as a retired Marine I appreciate the time and thought that you put into those responses!

Hey Bob,... you're doing something right!!! The uninformed are all over this meme!! If you ever offer online classes,... please save me a spot!

First of all, Social Security and Medicare aren't "free stuff." I receive both, but it wasn't free. This also does not account for giveaways in taxes owed that are not paid due to tax-breaks and offshore accounts. That's assuming the nominal taxation rate for the wealthy and corporations isn't a massive giveaway already when compared to the exponentially greater benefit they receive from government services and infrastructure. This chart is a comically incomplete picture. And that's on purpose. There is a concerted effort to assure "free stuff" going to the poor is highly visible, whereas "free stuff" for the wealthy is built in and mostly invisible.

Where do you get your facts? I can't wait to to follow up.

"tax loopholes" my favorite of all! It's a loophole for the other guy. It's a deduction for me.

If you're a billionaire and paying 15% in federal income taxes, it's a loophole.

1.Water? Oil? Coal? All services that are paid for according to use. No one is given these services.
2. I would dare say more than just an employer gain from an educated workforce. Maybe you should pay a surcharge to have someone intelligent to speak with.
3. Ford fair road use, should you pay a tax when not going to work? Business vehicles pay way more in licensing and taxes than other vehicles along with taxes on fuel which, by usage regulates that they pay more as the vehicles are driven more.
Everything you mentioned are things businesses either pay for directly or through taxes scaled to the business income.
You chase a lot of red herrings here and leave an empty argument. If you want to rail against business, rail against corrupt policies that give businesses unfair advantage in the market and eliminate competition for the sake of consolidating everything into mega businesses like Wal-mart and AT&T. The loss of local and regional businesses to these mega corporations are why the country is in financial trouble today. Don't be anti-business, be anti-corruption and federal favoritism.

Businesses are not charged for the road usage of their employees or customers traveling to their place of business, but they couldn't exist otherwise. Nor are they charged for the road usage to ship fuel to where employees and customers gas up. Nor the law enforcement that keeps roads safe for employees and customers. I am not against businesses at all. I'd just like to see them pay back a little more of what this nation provides them with.

Do you really think businesses pay no tax? You have not got a clue. My small distribution company in the 80s spent 250,000 of our 1,000,000 building budget to lay 13 miles of water line up a main street because we increased the water usage, this was NOT a shared cost and end the end that added expense was one of several factors that helped to bankrupt the business. When Godaddy added a call center behind my apt complex here in AZ, they foot the bill to lay fiber optic for the entire neighborhood. You are also unaware of things call "user fees" which business's pay to use certain services. I also have news for you, people did business in this country a few hundred years before there were roads. Roads are primarily paid for by gasoline taxes which are probably one of the fairest taxes in the country because all pay based on the amount they use, The loopholes everyone likes to refer to are tax credits for hiring certain percentages of minorities, reinvesting and growing a business in order to grow and hire more, credits for investing in cleaner technologies (I could give you this one is a gift for doing what should be done anyhow). Your issues are not with business but with the cronyism that gives a LARGE company like a Honda or Toyoata backdoor deals to come build a plant in their state so they can earn revenue off of both the business that is built there and the additional employment it creates. If you want to take a stand, take it against that, not taxing all businesses more as in the end, its the consumer that pays the additional tax.

I did not say nor even remotely imply that businesses pay no taxes. The ability to evade taxes with offshore accounts is a loophole that greatly reduces the tax burden of many corporations and individuals. I agree "loophole" is a misnomer as they are all deliberate, not accidental.

I agree, I overstated which is something I nit-pick others for. My bad! I agree with the off-shore banking, but its the current taxes/regulations that are driving it. Policies need to be re-written to make it more advantageous for that money to be re-invested and kept at home, rather than just tax business's more which in the end as we all know gets avoided by the GEs and AT&Ts ans only hurts small-medium sized business.

I can mostly agree with that. Pretty sure we're the only ones reading these posts anymore. :)

Its only 30,000,000.00, they'll never miss it

Not as much as someone making 50k and paying 30%.

Anyone making 50k is NOT paying in 30%. We are done if numbers are just going to be pulled out of the air.

I did pull it out of the air, true enough. It's 25% according to e-file.com. So your guy has to live off of $170 million; mine off of 38k. I still say my guy will miss his tax payment more. I only say that b/c you brought up "missing" the money. The reason your guy should pay more is that he has invariably utilized exponentially greater resources, services and infrastructure and has thus derived far more benefit from them. He's still getting his money's worth and then some.

lol, Yeah, I'm sure we are, but its cool. Even though I am a pretty strongly opinionated conservative, and I know you have strong liberal leanings its cool to find a little common ground to build off of. I wish our so-called leaders on both sides could do the same. Have a good one, I'm sure we will get the chance to knock heads again. :)

I'm sure! Take it easy.

I'm not sure what resources they obviously used more of?

Water? Oil? Coal? Educated workforce? Any number of things. Employers receive the collective benefits of all their employees. Every employee gets to work via public roads or public transit: this benefits their employer as well. Same with their customers' ability to get to the marketplace. The nation's water supply and (reasonably) clean air not only benefit individuals, they benefit the employer of these individuals, as well as the company's investors. Businesses reap the collective benefit of every employee's education, health care, police protection, etc. You get the idea I think, whether or not you agree.

Glad to see I got a nice healthy discussion going. Enjoy!

That was the most serious discussion I’ve ever seen on Imgflip.