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As long as it's the government they want, they're all for it. Anyone else is a Islamaphobic Homophobic Racist Anti-Science Bigot deserving of dea-
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White or black there are always those who gain by oppressing you. You can choose to bow to those who seek to oppress you or work to overcome it. Either way the choice is yours.

That is what I am trying, I get so frustrated, When people know that things are a certain way and cover it up or deny it because of some code or misguided belief. Do you know that the way people deny facts & events or struggle for an alternate explanation than what is in front of their face is a psychological defense? Our brain consciously or subconsciously alters our memory to what we tell ourselves had to have really happened, so not only are we fighting stereotypes, Lies even written in history book lies, hurtful things that have always been done or were funny as and must be OK or everyone wouldn't have cheered and laughed, plus ugly feelings passed down the generations but we also have to fight with our own brains to remember things accurately or else it will start altering your perception to match the direction of your thoughts when you worry and stress over it which brings justification and victim blaming. Grandma was a good loving hardworking women and she says you can't trust those people she wouldn't say that if it wasn't true. They must be deserving of that. So a person witnessing an injustice can and will eventually deny what they saw or justify it to relieve the uneasy feelings they are having about anything that might make them think maybe grandma was a good woman but this was wrong, so when I parrot her I am wrong too, and my friends. I have to tell My friends that this is wrong. No doesn't happen.

So as the conversation turns to race, I'll share with you that I grew up in the south. Terms that are offensive today were common vernacular around me. I was in elementary school when integration began in our schools. There was a huge difference in the cultures. By high school I had gone to school with and played ball with and was friends with either race. I watched as discrimination began and continued to decline. Now as an older man however, I've seen that desire to make strides in racial equality deteriorate into racial resentment. Both sides are taking steps backwards, and this is due to leadership on both sides. There are those that alter the truth to line their pockets and those who hide the truth or even make up truths to hold on to power. The challenge will always be to recognize these people for what they are.

So why can't people see what Bush did. That he acted in his own interests and enriched himself, his brother. and Cheney. That while 9/11 was not a fundraiser I don't think he was unaware that it was going to happen. He was fast to declare war on Iraq though and everyone knew that Osama was Afghanistan they followed along anyway like all will be explained must have a master plan, but no, it was all exactly what we were thinking.

The mistake you are making is in combining the 2 wars in one. There were 2 wars that began for different reasons. If you weren't around at the time it is hard to know what all went into the Iraq war because it has become so diluted. I have been a new junkie since Iran-contra. I could have told you a year beforehand that the Iraq war was inevitable. Yes you can do a lot of finger pointing at Bush but I do believe he did what he thought was right AT THE TIME with the intel provided. if you want to see who is gaining the most look at the numbers below.
2015 net worth:
George W. Bush 26 million
Bill and Hillary Clinton 112 million (not including foundation)
Dick Cheney 90 million.
Take into consideration that Cheney and Bush were successful businessmen prior to going into political life and the Clintons careers have always been in politics or as lawyers, prior to taking office. If you are saying it was all for the money, I think there are better examples to use than Bush.

Definitely some things for me to look into. My seething anger with Bush comes from a program that he started in a Texas as Gov and then as President had the authority to implement in other states which ended up being a chute source of revenue and completely victimized Native American children & families. It is reported on, documented, there was a lawsuit won by The Lakota People. Had these been the children of any other race National coverage international outrage but no. Barely covered other than among tribes. It is like it's being quashed, either that or Nobody cares. Outrage at testing on animals but nothing when the State acting as guardian has thousands of Native American kids on heavy antidepressant/antipsychotic pharmaceutical trials. So As I look again they had some kind of positive ruling but they are still fighting, the petition still going and that is just one state, where else did he implement? Why is there nothing being done for the Texas tribes and why is this not important too anyone??? This is too long but that is not all the sex trafficking missing murdered women are also being ignored. Anyway you can look up at the Lakota law project on the kids, there is a video that explains how they did it using mental health screening forms that just by cultural diversity alone would cause high numbers of atypical answers using that screening open a state case and declare the parents neglectful for not tending to these mental health disorders. Then test these adult drugs on them. Pure Evil

I must say I'm not familiar with it, but will look at it. That does sound like one of those issues that may have sounded good when pitched, but had a backend implementation that was abhorrent. There are so many examples of these, with layer upon layer of laws and policies that are not even read. All politicians are guilty of this, its like the Democratic party as a whole not reading the healthcare bill or having an understanding of what was in it. If we aren't careful the only thing we will legally be able to do is hide indoors.

I know, I started on here to laugh and get away from all the BS. Not working out so good, plus I must have a different sense of humor.Thank you for the conversation!

Its all good man, all of us input from time to time what's near and dear to us here amidst the humor. I enjoy the serious exchanges as well and you've given me something to take away from it and hopefully I've been able to do the same.