I know this is a Captain Obvious, but to some it may be a Suddenly Clarity Clarence

Libertarians are truly pro-life

Are libertarians left or right?

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Libertarians aren't only in the purple. They can be anywhere in the top triangle.

It's actually pretty simple. The top of the board is freedom and the bottom is Communism and Socialism and stuff like that.

"Im not pro genocide but I am not anti genocide either"

Yeah, true. But is it ok to take a neutral stance when a life is at stake?

Yea, this is a subject that's a little more complicated than "Pro" and "anti". I don't know, it's just a mess, I stay out of it because your never going to convince anyone on either side to change their mind, you know?

I don't think you needed to concede his point so easily. In a league of football teams there are many alternatives, but in the case of abortion there aren't that many alternatives on the basic issues. Either the baby in its mother's womb is a person, or it isn't. Either morals mean something, or they don't. I don't think the football analogy is an apt one.

Since death is defined as the cessation of a natural heartbeat and the cessation of brain activity, shouldn't life be defined as the beginning of those two? If that were the case, then a heartbeat and brainwave patterns would stop almost all abortions. It would at least be consistent.

Heartbeats and brain activity is not enuff for libs... they put no human identity on a "blob of tissue".

Do you believe it is possible to have a neutral stance on the issue of abortion?

(Hope you don't mind the follow-up question.)

But there is such a thing as a neutral stance, like the Germans who chose to ignore what their government was doing to the Jews. They were 'neutral' and yet ultimately 'neutral' in that case meant allowing the killing. And since abortion is a genocide, too, it is NOT ok to be silent and be neutral. The meme meant if you are not pro-life, you are supporting mass murder, whether that be as vehemently pro-abort or as a 'neutral' bystander.

Why?

Ok, I see what you mean now. I was coming at it from a different angle.

Your point is more important because it gets back to the real-life issue of people being slaughtered, while others stand by.

Actually, the death penalty is to 1: protect people who might be victimized in the future by the offender and 2: to discourage future offenders- so yeah, the death penalty is pro-life.

Even so, pro life is the opposition of any kind of death, regardless of what your why, you should not be doing anything to encourage death. If anything, pro-choice isnt anti-life, moreso pro-life is anti-choice

But who suffers here are the innocent victims. What about their choice?

Quite the mouthful i know :P
Before this comment i didnt even know there was a character limit lol

The thing is, pro life means no death at the hand of the people who call themselves pro-life. Its not a matter of morals, which is commonly what people see pro-life as, but a matter of "I dont want to kill anyone, regardless of anything"

Abortion is an issue that will never, ever EVER EVVVVER have an adequate answer. Many countries have just put the subject to rest and let people have the choice because no matter which is being picked, the same amount of people will be angry and both sides have very strong arguments, but pro-choicer have many arguments going for them:

-P.P. videos were proven to be in an unregulated facility, might not even be in america.
-The selling of fetal tissue has also shown to have been freak incidences that have stopped.
-Abortion in the case of rape is extremely justified, because nobody wants a rape baby, even though it only makes up a small percentage of diseases.
-Stem cell research is helping with research in Autism, Asperger, Alzheimer's (many A diseases), which on top of that, they have to get the parents consent before doing this
-There is also the idea that, say somebody gets drunk, has unprotected sex and then gets pregnant, if they are stupid enough to do that and they are afraid to tell their parents, they will try to find a way to give themself a miscarriage, possibly harming or killing themselves

The pro-lifers have 1 argument, but it is a hell of an argument for sure.

-Nobody knows truly when life starts, for all we know the fetuses could be conscious and feels what is happening.

The way i see it is, I would not want to be born into adoption or into a situation where me and my family couldnt afford it, I also wouldnt want to be born knowing that either, I was an accident or my parents didnt want me.

I am pro-choice because i believe the pros outweigh the cons. Granted, i think that there should be some kind of limitation (as in the number of times you can do it in a set period of time) because using abortion as birth control is so stupid. I feel like i should also mention that I am from Canada, and our election is this weekend. But I also follow some American politics. A big theme in our election was the economy and the enviroment. But it seems like in the US, the biggest themes have been 3 things that arent a problem up here: Abortion, Gun Laws and Socialized Medicine. So in the interest of america, you guys need to follow the rest of the world and start worrying about the long term issues

As far as I'm concerned, abortion is a long-term issue. In the words of the Talmud, "Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world." The root of the issue really goes back to what you hold as the ultimate authority in your life. If you think you are your own boss, you can decide abortions are ok. Or you could belive that majority rules, like if it's generally accepted by society or government legalizes it, than it's ok. Or even science, like if scientists someday "prove" that it's ok somehow, they should know. But really, the one who made all life also owns all life and therefor gets to be the one who sets the rules. And that is God. He says in his word that an unborn baby is a person (Psalm 139:13, Luke 1:41). Each of your pro-choice arguments are very good ones, from a point of view where man is his own authority, but the fact is that God is the ultimate authority.

Ok, when Im sorry, but i cant do this arguemnt if you are bringing God into it, i just cant, because I am agnostic-atheist, I have trouble believing that there is a God with no evidence and as such, I cannot see him as a viable argument. Even though a majority of america is Christian, that doesnt mean he can be integrated into the law. A majority of Canada is christian, and there is not a problem here because we know that there is only so much we can proof.

I myself choose to live this way because I do not agree with many things in the Bible and I do not my morals bent for something that im not sure even exists. If we keep worrying about the uncertain afterlife, creating wars and fighting, what will come of the world that we have right now. We cant worry about something we dont even know, when there are things we do know that are causing problems

Ok! God created you free to choose whatever belief whatever you want ;)

Nice! Respectful argument end! I like republicans like you, the ones that dont cuss me out and call me a commie! ...Im not naming any names

Thanks for the comment, though :) We can disagree and be friends

He does look like an older bearded Clarence now that you mention it. lol :l