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Your odds of survival is higher in a fascist state than of Communism.

Compare Franco's spain with Pol pot's combodia or Mao's China.

At any day I'd rather be a fascist than a commie.

It is dependent on who you are. Are you a Jew in Germany? Fascist are nationalists. Nationalism can be dangerous for some folks who don't fit in.

In communism you just don't fit in even if you're a hardcore commie you'll be purged if you step on wrong foot.

People say how Hitler persecuted Socialists. No one talks how Lenin treated socialists.

Yes, in communism it becomes about personl power. One of the reasons communism doesn't work is because too much power in concentrated without clear checks and balances.

That and communism is too paranoid to function.

Maybe it was paranoid because of the cold war

Stalin was paranoid of his own people. Dictators tend to be paranoid in general.

Yes, but you cann't say that all of that paranoia was from the people, as many dictatorships rose and fell during the cold war

Go to China and stress test it.

Hey, what happened in Tiananmen squa- *tank arrives*

in 1989 tiananmen square nothing happened.

2 shades of leftist politics

And they're not very different. Socialism by any other name is still socialism.

Fascists were nationalists. Socialists are globalists. That is the biggest differance.

Well sort of. People like to say Hitler was a fascist. He wasn't, he was a national socialist. Mussolini was the only fascist. He was somewhat nationalist in that he wanted everything for Italy. But he didn't care about tace or ethnicity, all he cared about was if you were born in Italy. Hitler only care about the "aryans" he was trying to create.

Hitler was a globalist and that is why he invaded Poland, Austria, France and any other country he could conquer. I'm not sure if Mussolini was interested in world conquest or not. But for whatever reason he joined with Hitler.

Hitler was an extreme nationalist. He wanted the German race to rule the world.

His party he created was called "Nationalist" but Hitler acted more like an Internationalist. He wanted global domination.

I personally think it would be impossible for someone to dominate the world by war. However, I have not doubt that it can be dominated by rot from within. That's what the socialists have been doing for over a century in America. It what the Islamists are in the process of doing in Europe and America.

You are right. The only true fascist were Italian. Maybe it's according to what your definition of fascist is. Some folks use a broader definition.

The left uses the word fascism to mean "I don't like you". It was Giovanni Gentile and Benedetto Croce who, as Gentile said, "improved" socialism and called it fascism. It is still collectivism. Fascii means a bundle of sticks. The symbol is the sticks tightly bound together with a war hammer in the bundle. Oddly enough that symbol is on the U.S. Supreme Court building that was built long before fascism (I think. I might have to look that up. Maybe it was built in the 1920's during the height of the Progressive era). I don't know what that symbol meant prior to Gentile and Croce.

Benito Mussolini heard of fascism from Gentile and Croce and liked it.

I read years ago that if you ask 100 different people to define fascism you'll get 100 different answers. I just stick with what Gentile and Croce created.

I'm opposed to any and all forms of socialism. It's all slavery. There is not "getting it right this time". The foundation is evil. You can't build something good on a foundation of evil.

Among our most precious God given and inalienable rights is the right to own property. That right includes your life that you own. In the 1st draft of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson originally wrote "life, liberty and property". He changed it because he did want slave owners point to the Declaration as justification for owning slaves. However, after the 13th amendment freed the slaves, the 14th amendment reiterated Jefferson's original idea that our most basic rights are life, liberty and property. Regardless, the pursuit of happiness was generally thought of as property ownership.

Because how could you be able to pursue happiness if you are subject to some other land owner and their rules. Property ownership meant freedom to do what you want on your land. And yes, that has changed a whole lot because you can no longer do whatever you want on your own land because of local ordinances and other laws. But that is NOT what this nation was founded on.

I think it's less a problem of personal definitions and more a problem of historical revisionism. I.e the victor writing history.

The modern US government is the epitome of globalism. It was the US who laid the groundwork for the United Nations. It was the US who took over the data from unit 731's human experimentation. It was the US who brought Nazi scientists to the US after ww2. It was DARPA who funded the development of mRNA technology for covid vaccines and it was the NIH who funded a lab in Wuhan, China to perform gain of function research on corona viruses.

The deep state has a lot to gain by muddying the waters of globalist history.

You have a point. It's about perspective. As long as the US is in control, it's fine, but if foreign forces are telling the US what to do, it's globalism.

Honestly I struggle to see any genuine way of spinning what the US has been doing under any administration since WW2 ended as anything other than globalism. Republican or Democrat led.

Aside from the aforementioned funding of China to perform gain of function research and DARPA funding Moderna to push the mRNA jabs on the global population (the former happened throughout Trump's first administration, the latter in 2013 under Obama), there's also been the endless regime changes, the constant surveillance of American citizens on behalf of other 5 eyes nations, the biolabs in Ukraine the US has been funding and providing support to Ukraine in order to prevent from falling into Russia's hands etc.

Pick any one of those examples and try to craft an answer as to how it's any different from what a globalist like Hitler might have done in an alternate timeline.

Then there's American corporations like Blackrock and Palantir, and their ties to the world economic forum and Jeffery Epstein respectively.

Why does a dog lick itself? Because it can. USA acts like a super power because it is. British, French, Russia all did the same things. It's basic history.

Why does China use rape as a weapon? Why does the Clinton kill list exist? Why does Canada have MAID? Why do criminals roam the streets of the USA committing crimes without fear of being held accountable? Because they can. Nazi Germany, communist Russia, modern Ukraine all did the same things. It's basic politics.

None of that makes it acceptable, however.

It is what it is. Acceptable to who?

It was the Progressives in America who did everything you mentioned. The Progressives used to praise Hitler. The Progressives were/are socialists. All Democrats and far too many Republicans are Progressives.

I agree. But I also don't see how our Republican politicians are any better, when they quite literally accommodate the progressives' plans.

I agree with that also. There are a small handful of Republicans who are actually conservatives but the rest of them are pretty much useless.

The two Parties are different sides of the same coin.