Change My Mind

Like what?

Trump and Charlie Kirk belief that white christians should be respected like gods, while treating every other minority like a disgrace to society.

Three examples out of many:

Innocent hard-working immigrants are considered criminals by Trump and his followers.

Innocent Muslims are considered criminals by Trump and his followers.

Innocent LGBTQ people are considered criminalsTrump and his followers.

But despite all this, Trump still gave a visa to a real terrorist! The irony in that action.

1st point. Not true at all. Listen to what they say, rather than what people tell you they say. 2nd. No. Using that language slanders Immigrants. Illegal immigrants on the other hand, are all criminals, yes.
3rd. No, terrorist Muslims are. The influx of Muslims into the West naturally brings with it a higher number of criminals, as with all immigrant groups. In those countries, for example the UK, Germany and France, the majority of perpetrators identify as Muslim. (In the UK its 80%!) 4th. Innocent LGBTQ people arent considered criminals by anyone. Where do you get that idea?

Charlie Kirk demonized LGBTQ.... if you know about that.

He would demonize the Ideology behind especially T and Q. Never the people victimized by it. There is a difference.

No.... Trump is demonizing the people who choose to be T and Q, get it?

No, hes demonizing the people behind the ideology.

No..... You are wrong... Trump is also criticizing people who choose to be LGBTQ.

Get a more reliable source and fact check it, then come back to me. Oh wait.... I forgot..... people who say immigrants and Muslims are criminals have never fact checked before in their whole life......

What else about them is a lie?

My stats were from MI5. Do you know what that is? Every person who enters a country illegally has broken the law. Its not complicated.

But entering a country illegally doesn't put other people's lives on the line directly. Crimes like homicide put other people's lives on the line.

What a goalpost move. Thats not what either of us have been discussing. Crimes like homicide take people's lives.

And my point is that illegal immigrants commit less crimes than native born citizens.

Which is incorrect. We both know that. You've backed down on all your other points, this one isnt worth fighting for.

You are incorrect. I literally posted articles for you! Get your lazy self to read them if you really care about politics and not just your selfish feelings!

You posted the articles. I read them. They are irrelevant. Where are the insults coming from?

"The influx of Muslims into the West naturally brings with it a higher number of criminals, as with all immigrant groups. In those countries, for example the UK, Germany and France, the majority of perpetrators identify as Muslim. (In the UK its 80%!) 4th."

That is what you said.

Sorry, but I don't accept statistics from FOX news.

Do you accept stats form MI5?

MI5 (the UK Security Service) is generally considered a highly authoritative and factually accurate source for official security data, but it has recently faced severe criticism from UK courts for providing false evidence in specific legal proceedings.
1. Accuracy of Official Reporting
MI5 is the primary source for national threat assessments and security data in the UK.
Threat Intelligence: In late 2025, MI5 reported a 35% increase in state-threat investigations and confirmed it had disrupted 19 late-stage terror plots since 2020.
Protective Guidance: Its National Protective Security Authority (NPSA) is the definitive source for technical security standards and risk management for UK infrastructure [1.1].
2. Recent Failures in Factual Accuracy (2025–2026)
The agency's reputation for factual accuracy has been significantly damaged by a high-profile case involving a neo-Nazi agent (Agent X) who abused women:
False Evidence in Court: In July 2025, the UK High Court ruled that MI5 had repeatedly provided "not fair or accurate" evidence to judges and regulators regarding this agent.
Official Apology: Director General Sir Ken McCallum issued an unreserved apology to the court for the false evidence, attributing it to systemic failures and "mistakes" rather than deliberate dishonesty.
Ongoing Inquiries: As of early 2026, a "robust and independent" investigation led by Sir John Goldring is examining these failures, with a final report expected by March 2026.
3. Independent Verification and Oversight
Because MI5 often keeps information secret for national security reasons, its factual accuracy is monitored by several bodies:
Investigatory Powers Commissioner’s Office (IPCO): Oversees the legality of surveillance and recently found a "critical failure" in MI5's maintenance of accurate records.
Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC): Provides parliamentary oversight of MI5’s policies and expenditures.
Verdict: While MI5 is the most reliable source for high-level security trends and advice, recent 2025 legal rulings show that its internal records and court testimonies can sometimes be factually incomplete or inaccurate, requiring independent verification where possible.

You are correct. Notice no cases of misidentifying Islamists...
So MI5 is an accurate though not infallible source. Great. Glad we agree.

You should do your research by the way:

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/immigrants-do-not-commit-more-crimes-in-the-us-despite-fearmongering/

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/08/1237103158/immigrants-are-less-likely-to-commit-crimes-than-us-born-americans-studies-find

https://www.cato.org/blog/why-do-illegal-immigrants-have-low-crime-rate-twelve-possible-explanations

I have. Not only are those statistics false, but Illegal immigrants have a 100% crime rate. By definition.

Show me. Show me. SHOW ME if you can tell me where you got that "statistic."

My friend. I will slow down. Entering a country without permission from its government, is a crime. Therefore, all people inside a country without permission are criminals. Do you understand? I will provide a link if you have further questions: https://www.google.com/search?q=is+entering+a+country+illegally+a+crime.

My friend. I will slow down. Illegal immigrants, despite their illegal status, do not commit DANGEROUS crimes. Entering the border might ruffle some feathers, but doing so does not ENDANGER other people.

So you moved the goalposts to avoid being proven either ignorant or a liar. If they commit crimes at all, those are all avoidable.

I posted links to three articles, so do the same unless you are a liar.

This is from Gov.UK:https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/operation-of-police-powers-under-tact-2000-to-march-2025/operation-of-police-powers-under-the-terrorism-act-2000-and-subsequent-legislation-arrests-outcomes-and-stop-and-search-great-britain-quarterly-u#main-results

This is from MI5 directly: https://www.mi5.gov.uk/what-we-do/countering-terrorism

Is that enough?

You forgot one more.

I didnt know you being literal. Apologies.
From google.UK: https://www.google.com/search?q=islamic+domestic+terrorism+.UK

Its fine.

There are nearly 4 million Muslims in the UK, making Islam the second-largest religion, according to the 2021 Census, representing about 6.0% to 6.5% of the total population. This shows a significant increase from 2011, with growth particularly notable in England and Wales, where nearly 3.9 million people identified as Muslim in 2021.
Key Figures & Trends:
Total Number: Around 3.9 million Muslims in England and Wales in 2021.
Percentage: Roughly 6.0% to 6.5% of the UK population.
Growth: A rise of over a million Muslims since the 2011 Census.
Location: London has the largest Muslim population and proportion.
This information comes from official census data from England, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

If there are 4 million Muslims, and only 223 were arrested for terrorism charges, then the idea that most Muslims are terrorists is wrong because 223 out of 4 million, is less than 0.01% of the total population!

Do the math!

223 is 0.005575% of 4,000,000

Did you read the articles? Its not that 73% of Muslims are terrorists, Its that 73% of terrorists are muslim.

Either way.... I got your point.

Say that to Trump... not me.

You do seem to mean Tried and True Beliefs that have stood the test of time.

Like socialism will work if we try again?

Will racism work if we try again? Will misinformation work if we try a million times again?

Racism is default. It doesn't need to work. It's either there or isn't. Misinformation on the other hand can or can't work depending on it's quality.

Exactly.....

But Socialism doesn't work regardless how you modify it. Turds don't build castles bricks/stones do.

Yeah, some things do get old