Christian vs. atheist

We're all idiots

Christians stand for their belief, but it's no blind belief. We have overwhelming evidence for the Christian faith. Christians will call you the arrogant one because you ignore that evidence or haven't heard it.

And atheists call Christians arrogant more than Christians call atheists arrogant.
In fact, we're all arrogant, but one of us is right. Or none of us. Your mind can't be changed, even with evidence, this is true for a lot of people.

Do you want to debate this evidences, see whether I'm right or not?

Hilarious. Your belief is completely blind to anything that contradicts it.

Christian belief rests on faith, not evidence. Even your Bible says so...if you'd read it.
No contemporary records confirm Jesus’ miracles. NONE.
The Gospels were written anonymously decades later and contradict each other on the resurrection and so many other things it's hilarious to deny them. BIBVIZ.ORG is a good start but even that is woefully incomplete.
Archaeology fails to support the Exodus, the Flood, or biblical conquest narratives...or common sense.
Genesis conflicts with cosmology and evolution.
A loving, omnipotent god remains indistinguishable from a nonexistent one.
Biblical morality shifts with culture. Genocide is ok, slavery is ok ... oops, now they're not...
The Bible is used to prove itself.
Faith is openly defined as belief without evidence according to everyone in Christianity except YOU.
And belief follows geography, not truth. If you had been born in Saudi Arabia, you'd be arguing for Islam.

That isn’t revelation.
It’s inherited belief defended by faith alone. And with faith as your foundation, you will believe anything that supports it. You're living proof.

Read John Loftus ... he wrote a book called How to Defend the Christian Faith. Then became an atheist and literally blew his own apologist book out of the water.

Oh wait, you only read books that confirm your bias ... sorry!

Your faith is completely blind to anything that contradicts it, not my faith. We are saved by faith, not by works or whatever else. But that doesn't mean that Christians can't be realistically grounded. That's why apologetics exist. The Bible itself says that people must be ready to defend the faith.

Yeah, none of the contemporary records confirm Jesus's miracles. That's because all of the records that do were declared unreliable for that very reason of acknowledging Jesus's miracles.

The books of the Bible are written so separate. Yet they work in such unity. The Gospels were written by well researched men, some of which even knew Jesus. They do not contradict each other in the slightest.

The books of the Bible have more proof than any other history book. Some things may not have as much evidence as others, but others do. Don't play the texas sharpshooter with me. It's very convincing and it may fool some, but it's not right.

Faith is NOT the belief of something without evidence. Faith is the complete belief in something, evidence or not. You have faith in your worldview yourself.

There are people in Saudi Arabia who argue for Christianity as well, don't forget that aspect.

I am tired of you claiming that I only read Christian books. How can you just assume this? I'll read any book for the sake of acquiring knowledge.

LOLOL!!!
You really are as stupid as I've proven. You forgot to read Hebrews 11:1 when you decided to define faith.

You really can't see it ... and you keep proving it over and over. It's hilarious because for decades, I was in the same boat as you. I argued using the EXACT same worn our overused phrases as you.

Too funny. And then you make up excuses to satisfy your bias. And no, you don't read books other than whose your pathetic little tribe approves of. If you did, you would question more and defend less. Proof is in the puddin'.

Hebrews 11:1 (NIV) "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see."
I'm glad that the Bible has the good sense to make sure that faith is defined. Otherwise the meaning of the term "faith" might have changed into something that the Bible is not talking about.

Thank you for allowing me to learn such a great verse. I may use this in the future to prove that, by definition, faith is the belief in something we cannot see, but not something we cannot prove. I know this may seem to be directed to anger you. It's not, genuinely, that's a good verse. It does not in the least disrupt my definition.

You keep talking about how you were a Christian once that became atheist. Like it's supposed to convert me to the atheist faith. You don't say a word about how you changed, what specifics of the belief you had, and whatever else. It kinda gets a little old when you mention it so many times as if it was a real argument. At least put interesting information in it.

You have zero method of telling whether I question or not. You don't realize that it is questioning that led me to defend the faith in the first place.
You have some reasonable arguments (no compliment intended). When you say something that is a bit of a challenge, something I don't really know about, I do a ton of research. I look at both atheist and Christian sources. You have no right to say what I do or don't read.

HAHA! That's RICH ... and stupid. Your brain is so soaked in delusion, you can't even see it.

Hebrews 11:1 explicitly defines faith as “the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” Nothing in the text says “provable.”

From any reasonable standpoint, that distinction collapses. If a claim were provable in any meaningful evidentiary sense, it would no longer require faith ... it would require acceptance of evidence.

Faith, as Hebrews frames it, is confidence prior to and independent of verification. Rebranding that as “belief without sight but with proof” is a modern apologetic retrofit, not what the author wrote. You're guilty of great sin because you added to "god's word" so repent muthaf**ka LOL

Evidence persuades regardless of belief. Faith fills the gap where evidence ends. That’s precisely why the text praises it. Where evidence (proof) exists, no faith is needed. Where faith exists, no evidence is needed. They're incompatible.

Imagine taking a loved one to the cardiologist with severe chest pain and the doctor tells you he has faith in a certain drug but no evidence ... that's christianity in a nutshell.

No, that's not Christianity in a nutshell.

You hear your own words? This is nonsense. Hebrews says that faith is complete confidence in something. The dictionary says the same. Both definitions leave evidence out of it, because faith in something can both be provable and not provable.

So you take the meaning of faith and force it to mean only half of what it really means. That's cheap. Cheaper than a bowl of noodles in China (and yes, that really is cheap).

Let's see here, with this great reasoning I can make faith very conditional:
1. It depends on whether the chair I'm sitting on is comfortable––nothing in the text says that it doesn't depend on the chair.
2. It depends on whether you are agnostic or atheist––nothing in the text says that it doesn't depend on your worldview.
3. It depends on whether we disagree with each other––nothing in the text says that it doesn't depend on our disagreement.

This is what you should be imagining with the cardiologist. He tells you that he has complete faith in this drug–he doesn't say anything about whether it has evidence.

And I'd say that Christianity in a nutshell is when the man tells you he has complete faith in the drug because it has been tried and tested and has succeeded every time.

I hope I've enlightened you on the true meaning of faith and why you can't just uproot basic reasoning and common sense.

Oh, also the Bible says (Direct copy from website https://seanmcdowell.org/blog/ten-verses-to-defend-your-faith):

1. 1 Peter 3:15: “But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."

As an apologist you may find yourself having to defend the purpose of apologetics. This is the classic verse indicating that everyone is to be prepared to give an answer with gentleness and respect.

2. John 1:1-3: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”

This is one of the most compelling and clear articulations of the deity of Christ. It shows that Christ is the eternal creator and is one with (although distinct from) the Father.

3. Acts 5:3-4: “But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

There is much confusion among Christians as well as groups such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses about the identity of the Holy Spirit. This passage shows the deity and personhood of the Holy Spirit.

4. Isaiah 43:10: “ ‘You are My witnesses,’ declares the LORD, ‘And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.’ ”

This passage clearly lays out that there is only one God and there has always only been one God. Mormons have to get very creative to avoid the clear meaning of this passage.

5. Romans 1:20: “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.”

This verse helps with the question, “What about those who have never heard?” It establishes that people do have knowledge of God through creation.