Freedom slipping away

Just out of curiosity, when did they put the glass cage around the William Wallace statue in Scotland. I was in Scotland a years and a half ago and I saw that statue (or at least on very much like it) and it didn't have anything around it. It's not a very old statue. It is actually supposed to be Mel Gibson portraying William Wallace in the movie Braveheart.

Lol, I didn't know who that was. Just the idea that they had to put a cage around it, was funny enough to include in this. Apparently this woke nonsense is not just happening in the U.S. we should probably put more up around the statues here in the states. The more they try to erase our history, the more likely we are to repeat it!

It's crazy what's going on in the U.K. now. I'm glad none of that hit Scotland when we were there. We had a great time visiting one of the beautiful places on earth.

The reason why I know that is a statue of Mel Gibson playing William Wallace is because Scots didn't wear kilts at that time in history. Kilts didn't come about until the late 1500's. Wallace lived in the late 1200's and early 1300's. That Wallace statue has him wearing a kilt.

Yes, it is crazy. So many people in Parliament are Muslim now. I heard it's getting bad in Ireland too.

Wow, that's very observant. I bet 90% of the people who saw that movie didn't catch that. Or the fact that the statue was Mel Gibson and not William Wallace.😄

Why do you keep advertising sauerkraut? That stuff is nasty.

Taking down statues of confederate traitors isn't erasing history though

Well, if the statue is not there, and the take the history of that person out of school lessons, then the next generation will not know.so for them, it will be erased. That's why we need to teach our kids the history that schools leave out.

Taking down the statue is not the same as taking any mention of them out of history studies

Yes it is. It's erasing a culture that once honored those men.

The worst thing is they are being taken down by morons who know nothing of our history.

Did you know that Robert E. Lee opposed slavery? And, yes, I know he owned slaves. Sometimes you actually have to participate in something to fully understand just how wrong it is. Also Virginia had long before passed a law that made it illegal to free your slaves. If Virginia had never made that law, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Robert E Lee would have freed their slaves at the moment they all realized just how wrong it was. Jefferson tried several times, when he was a state legislator in Virginia to introduce legislation to allow slave owners to free their slaves but he kept getting struck down by the majority of legislators who still supported that law.

George Washington knew of the but before he died he knew of a loophole that the state legislature closed after Washington took advantage of that loophole. The loophole was that you could free your slaves when you died. Washington did just that.

But the programmed morons on the left just acted like idiots when they tore statues to these great men down.

No, Lee did not oppose slavery. He was a part of it.

I said that he did own slaves but he also learned to oppose it and would have freed his slaves if it wasn't illegal to do so in Virginia. I think it happened a lot more than what is allowed to be told in our schools.

Robert E Lee was forced by court in the State of Virginia to free slaves that had been freed by will but that he still chose to illegally keep in 1958.

It would appear that you're confusing myths about Thomas Jefferson with Robert E Lee.

Lee was particularly cruel in his treatment of slaves, having brine poured on the wounds of slaves after having them whipped, and defied a family tradition by breaking up slave families.

I'll have to look into that because it doesn't sound like what I found out a few years ago.

I think you meant 1858, not the year I was born.

Ok I did some research, just a little bit. Lee was perhaps one of the most brilliant men of his time and was an outstanding standing General.

But when it came to slavery he was messed up. He both opposed it and supported it, sort of.

He believed slavery was a moral evil. He believed the evil of slavery had a much greater negative affected on the white man than the black man. I partly agree with that. I think the negative affects were greater on the black man but I agree that as far as the spiritual well-being it had a negative effect on the slave owner.

At the same time he saw slavery as evil he also opposed the abolitionists because he thought slavery would end voluntarily because of Christianity. The thought the abolitionists would cause to much of an upheaval that would not be good for society. I disagree and I wish that at our founding Georgia and North Carolina (I think it was North Carolina) wouldn't have been such idiots about slavery so that we would have started off a much better country. Had they not stood up for the rich slave owners and went with the rest of the 13 original colonies we would never had slavery in this country.

I think I had misunderstood Lee's opinion that slavery was evil as an opposition to slavery.

Also it was his father-in-law who required that Lee free his slaves within 5 years of his passing. Lee was reluctant but eventually complied.

You and I know how evil slavery was but you also have to look at the prevailing attitudes of people back then. Just like people are very nonchalant about abortion today the same attitudes existed about slavery back then. It's evil but it's just what people are conditioned to believe.

Hopefully future generations will not judge us so harshly for allowing the mass genocide of the unborn in this country.

Even if he did opposed slavery, he fought for the side that supported slavery

He sure didn't oppose keeping them.

Lee said he fought for Virginia. He was a proud Virginian.

The left tries to make this part of our history monolithic. They portray the South as 100% pro-slavery and everyone was a slave owner. That is flat out false. Only about 7% of the population owned slaves. But that 7% were wealthy and it was the wealth who made the war about slavery. Very few middle class owned slaves because they couldn't afford to buy and provide for them. Slave owners didn't just buy slaves and that was it. They had to house, clothe and feed slaves. If your plantation was producing cotton then the slave owner had to buy enough food for his family and his slaves. This is something that most of the middle class and none of the poor could afford to do. In fact in some respects slaves had it better than the poor because they always had something to eat. Farming did not always produce consistent yealds. That could mean life or death to the poor farmers. They were slaves to their own land because if they slacked, they starved.

So that meant there were a whole lot of people who fought for the Confederacy who had no connection to slavery. Some may have supported slavery, most were indifferent and some opposed it. But they all fought, either because they were conscripted or because they believed in secession.

It's just like the great evil of our day. Some believe it's okay to murder babies, some are indifferent and many are opposed to it. I'm opposed to it, you most likely have no problem with killing babies.

If mankind ever once again tries to seek the higher ground and better themselves by adhering to Judeo/Christian morals then they will judge our era as worse than the days of slavery. We've allowed more human life to be ended, just because it was an inconvenience, than all of the slaves ever brought into this country and all of their descendants who were born into slavery.

Both are the greatest evils mankind has ever committed. And now the left wants to bring back slavery through socialism. Instead of an individual owning another individual or individuals, it is the ruling elite who own the lives of the individuals living under their rule. Those elites always promise utopia and there are always suckers who believe them. And they say it will be different this time. They say they never got it right last time. Some will say socialism has never been tried before. Then when their rights and freedoms are gone they'll wonder what happened.

I feel like confederate statues should be put in museums and not be destroyed, but I don't think they should stand in the middle of a city because there's a difference between looking back at history and glorifying.

We know how this works out, American's always rise when evil gets too much power, we are rapidly approaching that point.

I hope so. The deep state's been pulling the strings for awhile now...

They are feeling the loss of tax dollars and scared because their foot soldiers are now facing real charges. They know soon justice will also come for them.

I flagged the RJ troll for spamming you.

Thanks. I was just going to ignore him. He's just crying for attention.

He hit me too, so he had to pay.

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I would’ve too, he commented 60 times of stuff I said

The left will gladly accept the islamic grooming gangs because they know the pedophile worshipers will vote straight democrat. At least until they finally have the power to cleanse their neighborhoods of leftists.

Love that. Sometimes you just have to let people fail, hard life lessons last.

We already have grooming gangs in the Catholic and Baptist Church and they do not vote Democrat

Lies are a sign of desperation, keep apologizing for the most dangerous group of killers on the planet and pretend you are a good person.

I'm not apologizing for radical Muslims. Never have.

And I am a good person. Way better than trump

President Trump is the most investigated man since Jesus, if he was guilty of anything you believe he did he wouldn't be a free man. BTW, when you end seven conflicts, provide jobs to hundreds, hope to millions you will still not be able to compare yourself to him.

Name all the conflicts he ended

Also if we are weighing everything he did he’s not a good person. You can’t kill someone and then donate to the homeless they don’t cancel out