First to claim they hate him but also the first to claim him when they need him on thier side

Whoever thinks Jesus never got angry needs to read about the cleansing of the Temple, where he angrily drove out the merchants and money changers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple

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And some of us don’t even believe he existed! There’s no actual proof… See books by Richard Carrier PhD, Robert M Price, PhD, and many, many others.

The evidence for Jesus Christ's existence in overwhelming and undeniable. There is no justifiable reason to think otherwise in 2025. If those "PhD's" are denying his existence, then their degrees must be rescinded and they must be put out of all academia in shame and humiliation because it's identical to, and equally as respectable as, claiming the earth is flat.
-https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/7-key-pieces-of-evidence-supporting-the-existence-of-jesus-christ
-https://aleteia.org/2018/04/12/heres-the-historical-evidence-from-non-christian-sources-that-jesus-lived-and-died/
-https://bigthink.com/thinking/was-jesus-real/
-https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2021/04/02/top-ten-discoveries-related-to-jesus/
-https://youtu.be/tQsieeDQIJY?si=GuQtMISqv5clPqM5
-https://youtu.be/NxqCZBjapv4?si=58Bxv_LJ0clEL7_R
-https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/
-https://www.shortform.com/blog/evidence-that-jesus-existed/

Link you provided:
https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/7-key-pieces-of-evidence-supporting-the-existence-of-jesus-christ

Shroud of Turin?
Fake. Proven so for almost 700 years now. Over. And over. And over.
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Ancient writings?
"Every single non-Christian source from ancient times recognizes, implicitly or explicitly, that he was a real person who really existed." LOL you gotta be kidding me. Not one, none, zero, were even remotely contemporaneous with your non-existent Jesus.
Your list mentioned Christians, not Christ. No mention of him. None dude. Cope.
Here is a list:
Timeline of Supposed Eyewitnesses to Jesus: Born year Zero and died in 33
Flavius Josephus: 37 - c. 100
Clement of Rome: born ? – c. 98 - 102
Ignatius: c. 35 - 107
Pliny the Younger: c. 62 - 113
Suetonius: c. 75 - 160?
Tacitus: c. 55 - after 117
Polycarp: c. 69 - 155
Justin Martyr: c.114 -167
Lucian: c. 125 - 180
Clement of Alexandria: c. 150 - 211/216
Tertullian: c. 155 - 230
Origen: c.185 - c. 254
Cyprian of Carthage: c. 208 - 258
Eusebius: c. 235 - 339

As you can see, NONE, not a single one of these supposed witnesses were in ANY position to give a contemporary eyewitness account of the time in which Jesus supposedly lived, because none of them were even born yet during the period in question. And even the very earliest of these writings are nearly one hundred years after Jesus’ alleged birth. If that weren’t enough already, the fact is none of the so-called “testimonies” are very impressive. Few are even talking about Christ in any context. For the most part, they are discussing Christians, not Christ at all. The two that do (or just appear to) even mention Christ, namely those of Tacitus and Suetonius, are just snippets that happen to mention common Christian beliefs of their day in passing while actually discussing some other subject altogether, not making any grand pronouncements on Jesus’ historicity.

But there were many first century writers, philosophers, historians, and other commentators who had good reason to notice Jesus, and despite apologists’ fervent denials, a wealth of their writings still exists today. But these perfectly respectable sources are never on Christian lists of historical witnesses. They include important figures like Epictetus, Pomponius Mela, Martial, Juvenal, Seneca the Younger, Gallio, Seneca the Elder, Pliny the Elder, Plutarch, Justus of Tiberias, Philo of Alexandria, Nicolaus of Damascus and more. And these are just the contemporaries;

there are still later commentators who we would expect to have mentioned Christ, but did not. Why? He didn't exist or in the slim chance he did, was nothing to write home about. He was a nobody.

Now, lets talk about Josephus.
The solitary reference to Jesus by Josephus is widely contested among non-Biblical scholars, further complicating efforts to establish a concrete historical basis for the gospel narratives. Even early church father Origen lamented the lack of a reference to his Messiah by Josephus but ironically, Origen's OWN copy of Josephus' works two centuries later came under the ownership of the Bishop of Rome, Eusebius (a known and proven forger of ancient documents - he even wrote a fake letter to Pilate from Paul and tried to pass if off as genuine). Yet no apologist finds it odd that Origen, reading his copy, lamented the lack of a Jesus call out while that same exact copy, in Eusebius' hands, miraculously has a mention of a devout Jew, Josephus, calling Jesus “the Messiah” yet he fails to worship him and following the mention, goes right back to what he was writing about? This is a fake. Any Jew who truly believed Jesus was the Messiah would’ve acted far differently than Josephus at this realization. This passage is forced into a section of his writings in a completely un-Josephus manner using a style foreign to him. Leaving it out makes the text flow as the other hundred thousand words he wrote. I along with ALL non religious historians call total BS on the Testimonium Flavianum. Christians continue to embarrass themselves by referring to this forged reference.

The heel of a crucified man?
Seriously? No one debates that crucifixion existed. The Romans tortured people. DUH. This proves NOTHING you claim.
Of course, Christians killed YOU if you challenged anything. Duh. But today we have more advanced methods to examine the silly little copycat claims of Christians and they're soundly defeated by science at every turn. There are probably tens of thousands of heels of crucified people buried in the dirt all around the Mediterranean. So TF what?
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An Ancient Inscription
An inscription found on a mosaic in an Israeli prison reads:
"The god-loving Akeptous has offered the table to God Jesus Christ as a memorial."
Dating back to 230 CE, this artifact is a striking testament to the early Christian belief in Jesus as a divine figure. Some have called it the most significant discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls.

230 CE? THIS IS YOUR PROOF? This is like claiming a dude in 1795 bench pressed 15,000 lbs. "Trust me bro" I bet you also believe that Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or give me death!!" William Wirt claimed 42 years later to have remembered the 1,100 word speech verbatim having heard it but once. Yeah. Right. And old Billy Wirt is the only one who did ... sure thing buddy.
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The Church of the Apostles?
Tradition holds ... BLAH BLAH BLAH. Tradition also says that George Washington cut down a cherry tree ... which didn't happen. Tradition can say a lot but you have no proof. This is getting embarrassing I hope. If not, there's something wrong with you.

The Alexamenos Graffito
The Alexamenos graffito (sometimes called the Graffito Blasphemo) is a piece of scratched wall graffiti discovered in 1857 on the Palatine Hill in Rome, generally dated to the late 2nd or early 3rd century CE. Scholars interpret it as pagan mockery of Christians. Graffiti mocking Christians as “donkey worshippers” was not unusual; writers like Apion (as quoted by Josephus, Against Apion 2.7) and Tertullian (Apology 16.12) mention such slanders. The cross, a punishment associated with criminals, was often ridiculed by non-Christians when connected to Christian worship (Minucius Felix, Octavius 9). Thus, the graffito is widely taken as hostile caricature: Alexamenos is accused of worshipping a crucified donkey-headed god.

The inscription names only “Alexamenos” and “his god.” The donkey-headed figure could be any deity as imagined by the mocking artist. Donkey association comes from Roman slander, not Christian belief: Pagans sometimes accused Jews and later Christians of worshipping a donkey-headed god (see Tacitus, Histories 5.3–4). The graffito reflects outsider mockery, not an internal Christian image of Christ. Ambiguity of the crucified figure: While crucifixion suggests Christianity, crucifixion was not unique to Jesus. Romans crucified thousands, so the graffito need not represent him specifically. Polemic intent: The drawing tells us about the mockery of Christians in Rome, not about Christian self-representation. Early Christians avoided depicting Christ on the cross until much later (4th century), making it unlikely this was ever intended as a depiction of Jesus.

The James Ossuary
Your own link says "Though its authenticity has been debated, if genuine, the ossuary provides a direct connection to Jesus and his family."
Debated? Ha! It's FAKE.
The Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) declared in 2003 that the inscription was partially or wholly forged. Their committee argued that the phrase “brother of Jesus” had been added later to an authentic ossuary. Microscopic analysis showed a different patina (the natural coating formed on stone over centuries) inside the letters of “brother of Jesus” than on the rest of the ossuary (A. Rosenfeld & H. R. Goel, Israel Geological Survey Report, 2003).

So that's 7 for 7 of your first link, SMASHED TO PIECES. I'll work on the others later. This was too easy.

Your dealing with someone who does massive research in my spare time and is writing a book. Let me know if you'd like to tap out otherwise, I'll keep going and destroy the rest of your links.

7 Key Pieces of Evidence Supporting the Existence of Jesus Christ? More like:
7 Ways Mr Poop Got Embarrassed While Defending His Delusional Myth Worship.

LOL, you're on the losing side again Mr Poop. If you really want to go there, I can, like I always do shred every single argument you'll ever have. I'm ready. And I'll relish it.

You poor child.

f you could have you would have. But you haven't and it's been over a week.

Jesus of Nazareth is a real person who actually lived and walked the earth and believing otherwise in 2025 should warrant as much shame and embarrassment as believing that the moon is made of cheese. It is anti-intellectual, anti-historical, anti-archeological to believe he never existed.

LOL, I don't think about you at all Mr Poop for brains. I have a job with 70 employees and I also do consulting for a manufacturing business. I do Imgflip for fun when I have a few minutes to spare.

You are a child who doesn't understand science, proof, evidence, and instead relies on fairy tales to sleep better because you beat off in the shower to PornHub. Stop being a defense attorney and start being an scientist.

You've never examined ANY argument except those that match your cognitive bias. I pity you. But you're doing it to yourself.

You should read (but you're far too scared) David Fitzgerald's "NAILED: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All", refute every one of those, BUT YOU WON'T. Looking at evidence that shows you've been duped is too much for your emotionally immature brain.

Why would I read what a flat earther tells me to read? Especially when he juts told me that he's a contractor and not a scientist who allows AI to do his work and his thinking for him?
I actually DO listen to the scientists you claim to listen to, and the historians and the archeologists, for whom 99.9999% of them are screaming at the top of their lungs that Jesus Christ of Nazareth actually lived and actually taught and actually died under Pontius Pilate while you ignore them and then type out the words "hahaha" and "loser" and "mr poop: and then have the humor to call ME the child? And you tell me I'm the one who's uneducated even though I'm the one who's actually listening to the scientists while you're ignoring them.
I can present you with the indisputable, irrefutable evidence, but I cannot do the thinking for you. Because I don't think any amount of evidence, no matter how rock solid, will change someone's mind who already thinks they "know what they're talking about".
The earth is not flat.
The moon is not made of cheese.
Jesus Christ of Nazareth existed.
All of those things are are true whether you believe it or not.

This is so cute. I'm not a flat earther ... further delusions on your part. The earth is a spheroid. The moon was formed when Thea collided with the earth a couple billion years ago. Your brain is on the drug of religion dude. Get off it. It's not pretty.

If Jesus HAD existed, Christianity would have been VASTLY different. Paul wouldn't have had to instruct people on the Eucharist because the disciples would have done that. I have listed 15 or so of things that would have been different HAD Jesus actually existed in my book. There might have been a man named Jesus who wandered around doing magic tricks. But that was a pretty common name. May have even been a conglomeration of different men that writers congealed into one to prop up Paul's "visions" - fan fiction if you will. Was it possible that there was a Jesus? Sure. Was it probable? Not really. Maybe a 5% chance but he wasn't born of a virgin.

What pisses you off is the fact that you don't know your enemy. I know mine. I know how apologists think. I WAS an apologist for decades. I argued the same way you do. No one could convince me otherwise. Then I started reading my Bible and not just the parts that made me feel good. I read about how god allowed selling your children into slavery, how god told Moses (another non existent figure in history) to commit genocide but "keep the young girls for yourselves" (wink wink), I read where Jesus made mud with his spit and it supposedly healed someone of blindness, I read where a man spent three days wallowing in stomach acid without oxygen and was puked up on a beach with no ill effects ... what you refuse to realize is the utter RIDICULOUSNESS that is religion. You don't have a clue about all the different types of Christs and Christianity in the early years of the church. You only want to hear what you want to hear. You only want to read what you want to read. I've been there. I was you back when I was a kid in a Christian high school, memorizing Bible verses, hearing about 6 day creation, hearing teachers denigrate evolution, getting detention in 8th grade for being late to class because my mom wouldn't stop her praying at our mandatory morning devotional before school.

It wasn't one thing that set me free from the bondage of Christianity and it won't be one thing for you either. It will be the dozens, the hundreds, the thousands of things that add up over time. It took me 4 years to admit the truth. You may need a little longer. You're in DEEP.

That was a lot of words to say "I'm losing so I'm just going to insult to distract from my failure and laziness".

You accused me of something bizarre. I defended myself, yet you still play the victim? Taking lessons from the Democrats?

You're the very definition of delusion.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Your first link is the 100% discredited Shroud of Turin? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Said the guy who doesn't think Jesus existed.

PLEASE go to ChatGPT or Grok or your personal favorite AI and do a little research. The Shroud showed up in the middle ages, used typical methods of the time period, had no evidence of the 75-100 pounds of myrrh and cloves they supposedly packed the dead body with, was never mentioned or inventoried in anyone's collection until 1350, and resembled a dead Byzantine emperor. Not only that, but the Shroud had it's detractors who even named names of who did it.

Grow up. Learn to THINK rather than believe. Sheesh. I know you want your sky daddy to make everything better but he doesn't exist. You are all you have. Make the most of your time and stop believing in your fairytales.

YOU BROUGHT IT UP IN YOUR FIRST LINK - LOLOLOLOLOL
What a loser.

Yes, the first of multiple links directly to other primary sources that directly contradict your ridiculous and antiquated belief that Jesus did not exist which you keep ignoring because, again, you are fighting a losing battle.

Ok, I'll smash them to pieces too. It will be easy.
May take a day or two as I have a conference call in 20 minutes. This is not a priority.

Are you ready for some fun Mr Poop? Funny that you deleted your comment to avoid embarrassment. Will you deleted my refutation of your silly links?

Actually I forgot to add something but you commented before I finished. It's at the bottom of the replies now.
Good luck with the "smashing".
Also, I don't care what your priorities are. Nobody cares what your job is. Nobody cares how important you think you are at your job. You don't have to narrate what you're doing in online replies to make yourself seem important.

Ooooo so edgy when you realize you've lost. Hahaha! You're a child. Hand the phone back to your mom.

I'm sorry to inform you that I will not be letting AI do my thinking for me. We aren't talking about the Shroud of Turin, are we? We're talking about the historic FACT of Jesus of Nazareth's existence. The Shroud of Turin doesn't have to be authentic, or even real, for Jesus to have existed. This is a red herring because you don't have a leg to stand on in an argument that is essentially the religio-historical version of you saying the earth is flat and me laughing at you for believing it.

It's not thinking. It's research. You should try it sometime.

Also, I think it's hilarious that you have the nerve to tell me that I don't do my research all the while you're just going to chatgpt and grok to ask it to tell you what you want to hear. If you wouldn't accept me telling you that AI told me Jesus existed and the shroud is real then you can understand why I have laughed your "research" away.
Also, here: if you're going to "smash" my evidence you'll need the latest.
-https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13758359/scientists-discovery-jesus-cloth-buried-shroud-turin.html
-https://shroud.com/examine.htm
-https://www.mdpi.com/2571-9408/5/2/47 (scroll to "5. Conclusions" for tl;dr)
-https://aleteia.org/2024/08/24/new-study-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/

LOL, you're so gullible and this is probably a lost cause. I only have a few minutes between calls hiring some new employees but debunking your little towel farce is toooooooooo easy. Literally, took me 60 seconds or less.

YOUR SAME NEWSPAPER (hahahaha, embarrassed yet?) but with newer, better, more up-to-date information ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-15043613/Shroud-Turin-NOT-wrapped-Jesus-crucified-body.html

IT WAS ART
https://nypost.com/2025/08/01/science/shroud-of-turin-never-wrapped-jesus-body-its-just-art-study/

IT WAS FRAUD
And the best one because it actually comes from the time period:
https://www.newsweek.com/archaeology-bible-jesus-shroud-turin-650-years-debunk-2121470

COVERED A SCULPTURE
https://greekreporter.com/2025/07/31/shroud-turin-covered-sculpture-not-jesus/

NEW DOCUMENTS REVEAL FRAUD (again)
https://www.euronews.com/culture/2025/08/29/newly-discovered-document-adds-evidence-that-shroud-of-turin-is-not-jesus-crucifixion-shro

Christians are so DESPERATE they'll resort to fraud and lies. Hell, even Eusebius, the Bishop of Rome, wrote a fake letter supposedly between Paul and Pilate but he was called out on it. Later, he wrote the Testimonium Flavianum. Proof is in the chain of ownership. It's all there but you won't look it up because YOU'RE AFRAID of what you'll find.

LOOK FOR INFORMATION THAT DISPROVES YOUR POINT -- WHEN NONE EXISTS, YOU HAVE A VALID POINT. Until then, it's just a delusion.

That was a lot of words to say "I didn't read anything you sent me."

Nice try. I knew you wouldn't read anything. You're a loser. A gullible loser. I appreciate your conservatism but I share it for a different reason -- evolution. We've evolved as a society irrespective of religion. Look at all the atheistic countries on earth and ask how they manage to get things done without your pitiful little god.

Do your own homework from here on out and realize that men and women educated far beyond anything you could ever hope (or pay for) have explored the notion of a literal Jesus and found it wanting. Badly. Everything you "provided" was destroyed. You have no point. You have no god other than the one in your head. GTFO and keep believing your fairy tales and myths.

"Do your own homework from here on out" said Grok and ChatGPT on his behalf.
"You're a child and a loser" he said after a wave of 1st grader-level insults and literally typing out the word "ha".
"GTFO and keep believing your fairy tales and myths." he said after denying all of the scientific and historical evidence that Jesus does in fact exist.

There was definitely a loser in this argument, but it wasn't me. Keep believing the Earth is flat if you want, but I'm done casting my pearls before swine. L8r sk8r.

You're so backwards, I have to wonder how you even have the ability to use a computer. AI is coming, and it provides research tools Christians are too afraid to use. But Christians were also afraid of the printing press (look it up ... if you know how). All it is is a tool but you keep on defending your superstitious Middle Eastern goat herding shaman from 2000-3000 years ago who didn't even know where the sun went at night and your "LORD" who told people NOT to wash their hands before eating and couldn't do miracles in a city because of their unbelief. The omnipotent god of the universe thwarted by man ... because he was only a man if he existed and was doing magic tricks left and right. Your side is consistently fooled by magic tricks. It's why the scientific world laughs at you, not WITH you, they, we, laugh AT you. Own it. You're too stupid to examine your faith.

Ask yourself why the world's foremost Christian Apologist, Dr. William Lane Craig, refuses to debate one of his former assistants, John Loftus. Read Loftus' book Why I Became an Atheist: A Former Preacher Rejects Christianity.

Why did Dr. Robert M. Price, a former pastor, reject Christianity and now say the preponderance of evidence shows that Jesus never existed?

Why did Dan Barker, a former Baptist minister, reject Christianity?

Watch YouTuber Paulogia -- a former Christian who examines the claims of Christians -- and embarrasses them on the regular.

Watch Matt Dillahunty -- you won't -- His in-depth examination of his Christian beliefs, instead of bolstering his faith as he had intended, led him to no longer believe in the basic tenets of Christianity and, eventually, all religions.

The list is long. And growing. But you keep doing you. These guys don't know ANYTHING like you do. You know it ALL.