This is a possible alternate scenario that could potentially provide more safety for both Israel and Palestine

Is HAMAS a Terrorist Organization?

Will you support encouraging HAMAS to unequivocally Surrender
and release the 50 remaining hostages,
that they kidnaped during their October 7th raid where they killed entire families and put babies in their own home kitchen oven and baked them
some the 50 remaining hostages of which are USA Citizens ?

What your silly meme advocates for is to reward Terrorist Organizations in Power with more Power,
for commission of Acts of Terror. There are many Palestinians living in Israel within Jewish territory peacefully. There was a ceasefire on October 6th during which ZERO Jews lived in Gaza. What changed? Why ask for another ceasefire when NOTHING in Gaza has changed with HAMAS
in power?

Seriously. Do you really want to advocate for Terrorists,
or what is it exactly you can't stomach, and can ?

I do not support Hamas, I stated that in this scenario Hamas gets overthrown and the October 7th attackers are captured and held accountable, therefore removing the terrorists from the equation. Israel could have target Hamas directly. But they choose to collectively punish and push out all Palestinians because that's what their goal is. The Palestinians are not invaders, they have lived there even before the Roman and biblical eras. The land is Israeli, but it is also Palestinian.

I wanted Israel to be the good guys. But their actions are saying otherwise, and said actions have gone far enough to be classified as war crimes. What they're doing now will hurt their reputation and safety, as well as America's.

So, the question was simply,
Do you support HAMAS Surrendering Unconditionally,
and releasing their hostages they took on October 7th ?

Yes. Israel had plans to cooperate with anti-Hamas militias in Gaza and recover their hostages that way, but unfortunately they resorted to airstrikes and starvation in order to pressure releases.

I'm perplexed.
You reply YES, and then you list conditions upon the nation at war as if you are a policy maker.
What is it regarding "Unconditionally" about the Surrender that one does not fully get ?

Is it just me, or does it seem somebody is attributing starvation of children to the sovereign nation , that has every right to defend itself against the atrocities of Oct. 7th, 2023 ?

HAMAS The Terrorist Organization,
and their sympathizers ALONE bare the responsibility for the
Starvation of their next door neighbors in Gaza's kids.

I wish that was the case, but the facts state that Israel is just as complicit in the genocide of Palestinians as Hamas is in anti-Israel terrorism. And it upsets me because we made Israel as a safe state for survivors of genocide.

"There have been more births in the Gaza Strip since this war began, than there have been deaths. That is a very poor way to Conduct a Genocide." -Ben Shapiro

SOURCE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bzJALiA_Eo

Ben Shapiro? I used to watch him in my own conservative arc.

AP news places the death toll at around 55,000, with more than half of them being women and children. Even if Hamas does use "human shield" tactics, there's no way they'd be willing to kill that much of the people they claim to defend. America's wars on terror still bore significant civilian casualties, but nowhere near the figures in Gaza. 1.9 million people in Gaza are displaced. Genocide not only refers to the mass killing of an ethnic group, but also the destruction of their cultural traits and the forceful removal of them from an area.

Look, I want Israel to get their hostages back safely, but this reckless mass killing is only going to encourage Hamas to hold them longer, or worse.

Sources: https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2025/more-than-55000-palestinians-have-been-killed-in-the-israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-officials-say/
https://www.refugeesinternational.org/palestine-israel/

Thanks for your links. They do little in rebuttal to address the claims made.
In fact, they help prove the point Shapiro made, and I digress:
Let's use UNICEF and your buddies at AL-Jazzera's Numbers online:

Unicef: 20,000 babies have been born in GAZA since the War Began in first 105 days.
(So in 400 less days, 3,950 more babies have been born than children killed in first 535 days.) Not my words, their data.

One baby born every 10 mins is 6 x 24hrs = 144 babies born everyday on avg.
to adjust and equal the other data of days, 535, let's take 144 x 535 = 77,040 babies born in GAZA in first 535 days of this war.
All things remaining equal. 77,040 babies born > 55,000 deaths you cite

Al Jazeera: 1 child is killed every 45 minutes; 30 children are killed everyday on avg. for past 535 days. 30x535 = 16,050

20,000 births in 105 days > 16.050 deaths in 535 days ; but who is counting ?

So, to adjust the averages, 77,040 babies born in Gaza > 16,050 deaths of children

That indeed is a very poor way to conduct a genocide

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/born-hell

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2025/3/26/gazas-stolen-childhood-the-thousands-of-children-israel-killed
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More importantly than going through the numbers that you unfortunately asked for, recall:

During WWII, more German civilians died than British civilians. Much more.
Many were children and their mothers & sisters as England carpet bombed Dresden.
To actually win the war, Great Britain was willing to do this to Germany, to defeat the Nazi's.
Was Great Britain "reckless" to do this to their enemy in response to The Blitz ?

HAMAS and the Gazans that put them into power, are not much different today, than they were when they were in bed with Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and the likes of the Axis in the expression of their JEW HATRED.

Seriously, were you fine with the way Great Britain went about the strategy of WAR with Germany in WW2 ? If you are, then maybe extend the same Grace to Israel in this War.

The difference is that WW2 was 80 years ago and our military technology has improved dramatically. Israel has precision weaponry given by the U.S., as well as their own special forces. Bombing civilians and non-military structures is how they're going to push Palestinians out and acquire all of Gaza. They'll rebuild it as a luxury commercial area for Israelis and expats.

There is no Palestine.

that's your opinion not mine

It is not my opinion, Scooter… it is a FACT.

Scooter? Is that a reference to a show?

No

aight fair

Whatever that means

alright fair :)

It is, or for a comic book or something, but he won't admit to it because then you'll look it up and it'll give away his approximate age, or at least his generation.

oh, got it

All of that has been tried ad nauseum.
The “Palestinians” absolutely refuse to live in peace with Jews. It’s is really as simple as that.
The whole world has tried for DECADES to get the “Palestinians” to cooperate and they refuse. They break every treaty and ceasefire agreement.

sounds a bit racist eh

thanks i needed that

...think nothing of it.

Not at all.

No, that is false.

The majority of Palestinians are not terrorists. They wanted to live in peace but were pushed out by Israel. The reason Palestinians refused to accept previous two-state solutions offered by Israel is because they were offered less and less land each time due to Israel breaking treaties and expanding into land they have previously set aside for Palestinian autonomous territory. Criticism of Israel is not criticism of Judaism, as many Jewish leaders, some even within the Knesset, have condemned Israel's current treatment of Palestinians and interpreted it to go against their values of faith and peace.

The real culprit for the continued tension between Israelis and Palestinians is the particular German regime that caused the mass genocide and diaspora of Jews in Europe. As a result, Israel was formed with urgency and negligence of future tensions. If that didn't happen, it would have been possible for Israel to form more carefully. It would be a Jewish state but not a Jewish-only state, therefore allowing European Jews to move to a safe haven in their holy land without having to displace or discriminate against the Palestinians living there.

You have made a point here on identifying the real culprit, ExtraSpicyChef.

What say you of the Golden Square, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and his decision for his people to be in alignment with the real culprit and the rest of the Axis ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world

Nonsense. Palestinian mothers teach their children to hate Jews.
Palestinian fathers, if known who they are and haven’t blown themselves up in a suicide vest or car bom, teach their children how to kill Jews.
It’s as simple as that.

No, they don't.

You're confusing Palestinians with the Eastern European genocidal occupiers of Palestine.

bomb

aye