We told you so

Upvoted. At the very least leftists should pay for the ongoing medical treatments for the women that the animal beat up in the ring. Heck, put the leftist USAID slush fund to some good use for once.

Chalk up another one that they will continue to deny...

No one's denying anything. Who do you even mean by "they"? Are we in the Grade 8 playground again? All "libs" are communist Hamas supporters? Is this an adult site or what? Are you 12 years old?

What do you want her to do, exactly? Flash her boobs and naughty bits in front of the camera?

She was actually beaten by another NINE women and no one complained. Google it, Mr News. So she's not invincible.

When Usain Bolt beat people, no one bat an eyelid. And you can find countless articles absolutely gushing about the "genetic advantages" Michael Phelps" had in swimming. Bolt has even been referred to as a "genetic freak" multiple times in the media. No questions about whether he's secretly superman or something.

Khelif actually lost to Irish Kerrie Harrington. No one gave a shit. She competed as a woman all her life with no issues. In Algeria of all places. Then she wins Gold and suddenly she's "cheating" and must be a man beating up women.

At least I hope you still don't think she's trans. Because she absolutely isn't. (That would be a whole different debate, and I'd still disagree with you. But this isn't it.)

And she never claimed to be. She's from Algeria ffs. You think Algeria would send a trans athlete to represent their country and have millions of fans on her side? They get arrested for that shit. As your Trump friends are fond of reminding us. So at least be consistent.

I know you're a Viking and have a gazillion points on this dumb website and all that because you don't have a job or something, but stop chatting shit, please. You're not the only smart person on the internet. I don't give a shit if you have 100 million points. Talk sense, or get out. And the same goes the other way btw. If anything I say is factually wrong, you're free to challenge it. I'll either correct myself, or accept I made a mistake. I know I make mistakes (and typos). I'm not always perfect. So please do challenge everything I say and I'll try and correct it. I'm not like those other people who disable comments. But don't talk bullshit, please. 🙏

Imane Khelif is not "cheating". She has lived her whole life as a woman (but may have some condition that confers "advantages", but again I can't say what that condition might be because apparently no one knows).

If you dispute that, then present credible biological evidence that she's really not eligible or is *literally a man*. I haven't seen any. So if you have, I'm actually curious to see any. Try and be respectful.

Yes, you really know how to show off your hypocrisy. lol

Touché lol. Fair enough. I know I'm very rude, it's true. (Actually, I apologize for that. I was a bit too aggressive in my last message tbf and I did veer into cheap personal attacks against you, so sorry about that. It was a bit hyperbolic and immature of me.)

And as I admitted, I don't always get stuff right. (I try to correct myself when this happens. Sometimes I myself notice after I wrote sth that wasn't quite accurate. (Eg I wrote a couple of things the other day on a separate post about the Iranian regime that I realized weren't quite accurate.)

But I also have a life outside memes and can't always go back and amend every single message. Plus you can't even edit messages on here.) And yes, I'm probably a hypocrite; you're right. So criticism accepted. FWIW I'm honestly not here to have a fight with anyone, if you can believe it. I just care about things being accurate. I'm not an academic/scientist with academic papers or peer-reviewed studies on geopolitics, climate science, religion, etc, either.

But, in my defense... I'm not the person claiming things about an Algerian boxer from viral memes that aren't backed up by credible sources (unless "SPORT BIBLE" counts as a credible scientific source). I outlined everything I know and attempted to back up most of my points. As I said, it's all free to be challenged and refuted.

Why do I even care so much about this anyway, you may ask? Which is a perfectly valid question. Why do I give a shit about an Algerian boxer I've never met, enough to spend even more than 30 mins of my life commenting about it online? Firstly, maybe I'm just a bit weird. But also, I care about truth. And an Algerian woman who is being accused of stuff that could impact her entire career (and set a wider precedent for other athletes in a similar position).

Without credible sources proving she is literally a man, deliberately cheating, then in my mind this amounts to slander. Essentially, if you make a big claim, the onus is on the person making the claim to provide big evidence. And so far all I've seen is a bunch of social media rumors and the head of some Russian boxing association (which no longer works with the IOC) who made some vague claim on Telegram about how she'd failed gender eligibility tests but failed to even present any actual results, citing them as "confidential". This young woman's (or man's, if you want) entire career could be curtailed by this kind of accusation. And I care about that kind of thing. 🙏

You can call her an "animal" all you like. Technically, so are you. So am I, in a biological sense, separate from whatever religious views you may hold.

Unless you personally identify as a plant, fungus, paramecium or streptococcus, etc. If you do, then my sincere apologies for mis-kingdoming you. If you were Assigned Animal At Birth and now proudly identify as a slime mold, I wouldn't want to be accused of bigotry by the radical woke left. 🙏

Not quite sure what USAID has to do with the International Olympic Committee, either? Perhaps I missed something. 🤔

Boxing is a notoriously dangerous sport. Mike Tyson and others hospitalized a few people, if I'm not mistaken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson_vs._Andrew_Golota

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Benn_vs._Gerald_McClellan

Should the "leftists" (or USAID) have paid for their medical treatment too?

Imane Khelif is not a man. Nor is she trans or has ever claimed to be trans. (That's a completely unrelated debate and doesn't apply in this case.)

She is a woman, was born a woman, and has lived her entire life as a woman, but she appears to have some form of DSD (Difference of Sex Development). This is why she presents with certain more male characteristics (eg, she could have XY chromosomes or elevated testosterone levels but still present as female). Although her exact condition does not appear to have been made public.

https://intersex101.com/00_list_of_variations/

Imane Khelif is from Algeria, a majority-Muslim society not exactly famous for trans rights. It would be highly unusual if she were to be openly trans and hailed as a hero by many Algerians. AFAIK gender change is not even legal in Algeria. (But she isn't claiming to be trans anyway.)

As per the Daily Mail, bastion of globalist woke news that it is:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13754677/Imane-Khelif-Algeria-Olympic-gold-gender-row-boxer.html

It would also be unusual if she was simply a man masquerading as a woman all this time to win a gold medal for Algeria, and this was accepted by her compatriots. I'm not sure a man pretending to be a woman would also go down so well among all her fans.

The IBA (International Boxing Association) said they carried out tests. Conveniently, the "specifics" were "confidential", which is very helpful...

https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/

"Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors."

Competitive advantages? Usain Bolt/Michael Phelps were born with competitive advantages. I'm not aware they've stoked quite as much controversy or been asked to return medals.

The question of "fairness" in sport has always struck me as odd anyway. We're not getting 100 biological clones to compete. By definition, it's not "fair", since everyone's body is different. (Even if they were clones, some would still have "advantages" due to funding & access to better diet/training, etc.) It's a game. People take it way too seriously.

Yes... as usual, you're behind in the news... LOL

Actually, I just checked the news before I wrote my comment. Although I guess it depends what you mean by "news". I don't read the gutter.

I'll make one correction to what I wrote that was bugging me, so thank you: I said "she appears to have some form of DSD" & realized after I wrote that that it wasn't 100% accurate.

This is actually not confirmed, so I should have been more equivocal in my language; you're right. I'm not actually sure she has a DSD, actually. I honestly don't know.

She says she is not trans. I think that's pretty clear, at least. (And given she's from a conservative family from a poor village in Algeria, I'm inclined to believe her on that. Like I said, this is NOT a trans debate. That's for a different day. If she was from Thailand or something, maybe you could carry on. But she's from Algeria. I think we both know the idea of an openly MtF trans woman representing Algeria in the Olympics would be absurd, so we can rule that out. It's arguably even less accepted there than it is in Trumpland. Even the Algerian president (Abdelmadjid Tebboune) is on her side. As are millions of conservative Muslim fans. Bit hard to explain given being trans isn't even really a "thing" there.)

(Not actually sure being trans is illegal *as such* in Algeria, but I'm pretty sure it's illegal to change your gender there. And anyway, millions of Algerians are behind her. I thought Muslims hated LTBTQ+ people?)

She also says she's not intersex. As far as she's concerned, she's always been a woman. She just doesn't look like your stereotypical "feminine" woman (whatever that looks like). She's also a boxer, remember? So she trains hard and has muscles.

The reality is that I don't think anyone actually knows what she has. Some condition where she has excess testosterone? There is no credible evidence that I can see that she has XY chromosomes. (Even if she does, it's complicated, because it's *technically* possible to live your life as a female with XY chromosomes and not even realize. And IBA even said they didn't test for testo... )

The IBA was run by some apparently sketchy Russian outfit and didn't disclose its methodology. Pretty shady.

So basically I'm not sure anyone even knows, unless Ms Khelif decides to reveal it. I don't know why she hasn't, but maybe for her own dignity she refuses. Do we want her to take a pic of her private parts and uterus to show the whole world or something? (And that wouldn't definitively settle the issue anyway.)