Power to the people and by that I mean "to the governemnt"

if the free market is so great, then why did Musk try to kill the CFPB? also why do 10 men have more money than 99% of the population? if they actually were helpful to the average citizen why is our planet dying?

If socialism is so great, why did Mao Ze Dong kill 65 million people? Why does it make so many dictatorships that people have no power to stop? In the free market, everyone has personal liberty and also personal responsibility. In socialism, the government as absolute control and the people have none.

he wasn't a socialist. also that is not what socialism is, it is a system of government where the people control the means of production, not wealthy businessmen. the whole point is to make sure that workers can't be abused. it's not about the government controlling your land or property, it's about protecting basic human rights like "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" the reason why people this of socialism like what you said is because ever since the cold war communist and socialist have been used interchangeably when they are very different systems.

That's not what socialism is, that's a cute-sounding list on intentions but that tells me nothing about what socialism actually is. Socialism is the abolition of private property and the private means of production. And the collectivization of all economic decision-making power under the control of a small group of central planners.

and do you have a source for that claim? I actually read Marx so I know what socialism is.

Um Yes. The source is Marx.

when he was pushing for communism, which unlike socialism has almost never worked on a large scale

Well, Karl Marx was a communist, so he writes about communism and how socialism is just the means to Communism, which you would know if you actually read his work. He says in "Critique of the Gotha Programme" published in 1875 - “Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.” IE - Socialism is just a transitional stage to communism, but already beyond free market capitalism.
From "The Communist Manifesto" published in 1848: “The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.” Granted this doesn't mean all property, but private ownership of productive assets like factories, land, and capital. In other words: do you own a business? Now you don't. Do you own some land? Now you don't. Do you own the ability to make goods to sell to others? Now you don't; the state owns it now.

I never said that he wasn't a communist. I said that Socialism (something he pushes for in Das Kapital and the early parts of the Communist Manifesto) has been proven to work, look at the Nordic states,

History, is not your enemy, study it.

doesn't mean you can't stop at socialism.

See? You just proved you talk out your ass about shit you don't know anything about. Norway is a market economy, not a socialist one. They rank among the highest in economic freedom whereas socialist states like Venezuela and Cuba rank among the lowest. You just proved you regurgitate whatever taking points you hear online without looking into seeing if they're true. I'm a free-market capitalist and I know more about your own religion than you do.
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If we reset all people down to 0 property and wealth we would, in a few years, have very wealthy people and very poor people again.

That's true. Economic equality doesn't account for skill and labor inequality.

that is not what I am saying.

I was just answering your question of why a few men can control so much money.

its because they put there own interests before the interests of the common man.

Every man, by looking after his own interests meets the needs of others. See Adam Smith’s “The Wealth of Nations.”

then why is there so much abuse in Amazon warehouses?

I said they meet the needs of others: I didn’t say that it deals with employer employee relations. That’s apples and oranges.

meeting the needs of others includes everyone, even their employees. unless you mean to tell me that employees are not the same class of people as other citizens?

Employers meet the needs of employees by paying them for their work smh

abuse isn't overturned by a salary that you can barely live off of

Employment doesn't mean abuse either. You can't just say "everyone that has a job is being abused" and then use that to justify the implementation of the inferior system of Socialism in opposition to the superior system of free markets.

I was using Amazon as an example of why workers rights are important. great job strawmanning me you gormless rube

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At least in a free market society, I can get another job or start my own business if I feel I am being mistreated by my employer.

You're wasting your time with him. He's already convinced that he's smarter than us because he can repeat talking points he's heard. Besides, every time you make a point he can't answer he's just going to post a meme and move on without addressing it.

That's true; and they have the right to pursue their own interests. We all do. Why would I pursue someone else's interests before mine and my families?

Also, the nations which are contributing the most pollution currently are either communist or formerly communist states due to the lack of advancement while the nations contributing the least amount are all free market economies.

read my above comment. also that isn't true, the USA has produced over 500 billion tonnes of Co2 since 1850 compared to china's a little under 300 billion tonnes since 1850

Lol sure pal. What's your source for that? China? Yeah they're totally reliable. Anyways, that has nothing to do with socialism, which is the abolition of private property and the private means of production as according to Karl Marx. Who had never held a job outside of editing newspaper propaganda and was also not an economist. Or a statistician. And also mooched off of his parents, in-laws, and Engls for his entire life.

The graph from the New York Post I used as my source. also the reason I brought it up was because you claimed that free market capitalist countries produced the least pollutants. also only recently did china pass the us in pollutants because almost all of American manufacturing jobs were moved to China because FREE MARKET CAPITALISTS found out that they could pay less AND treat workers worse. free market capitalism is why all the manufacturing jobs were moved to China.

This is an outdated graph then, because all current data shows that the largest contributor is China. Also, Those are some scary looking bars. Spooky. But um....how come it doesn't show exact numerical data? What's the data of emission per-capita? How come it only goes back to 1850 while trying to be a huge, general claim of analysis over an area of space as large as EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE? A space that large should be measuring per hundred thousand years to demonstrate real change. So how come it doesn’t show how emissions have changed over time? What if we are currently in a carbon drought as compared to say a hundred thousand years ago? This graph with its short time frame would lead an average person to believe that that we are in some kind of C02 crisis. It also doesn’t seem to account for emissions relative to the economic standing of a country or land area; would't that be kind of important important if we're all going to vote away our power and wealth and autonomy to the same people scaring us with misleading graphs like this?

this was posted in 2019 bruh. also the exact data is not needed when the gap is that big. AND ALSO THE REST OF YOUR COMMENTS ARE PURE WHATABOUTISM

Translation: "You just ripped me to shreds and proved my scary graph is garbage but that doenst mean I havr to accept it"

no it means you're deflecting

I didn't realize asking questions follow up questions about a graph you copy and pasted now means "deflecting". I f so then yes, I am proudly deflecting to questions that you cannot answer.

Thank you for acknowledging that workers are treated worse in Communist states than they are in free market economies. And sure a lot of jobs moved to China, but the only thing that tells us about free markets is that manufacturing can be freely relocated from one country to another when both parties are consenting. Sure, free markets come with drawbacks like people losing jobs due to market volatility; that's always been the case as needs and incentives change over time. However, those are considerably preferable drawbacks compared to the poverty and starvation that is common in socialist and communist states.

CO2 doesn’t create a greenhouse gas. That’s impossible, absurd, and unthinkable. Why? Because it’s heavier than air. Pour it out of a beaker and it falls to the ground.

yes. it doesn't make greenhouse gases BECAUSE IT IS ONE!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-BKN40EAMZw

Shouting your absurdities won’t make them any less false.