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being gay is a sin

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Jack said that it's a mistranslation and it was talking about pedophiles not gays. I'm just informing you, I don't wanna be a part of this dumbass drama.

I just disproved that guy
Also there's still Roman's chapter 1

I'm Muslim and seeing Christians argue about religion really confuses me like don't you guys believe the same thing

No

There are several Christian denominations. Some prioritize certain passages of the Bible over others, some take the Bible at its word, and some don't bother reading it and just will believe whatever.

yeah thats not really true
Nobody said that until very late when homosexuality started getting more popular and some Bible scholars wanted to "get with the times".
Though pedophilia is strongly condemned also in the Bible

I understand now

It's just like in Islam, some muslims will kill you for being homosexual (or believing anything other than islam) and some are not like that at all

yeah but Islam doesn't have sects like Christianity, it's one whole religion just has people with different views

Christianity really doesn't either, there's the original and then there's a bunch of people who started sects later in history without the same significance or evidence at all
I don't remember if it's the Mormon faith but one of them literally claimed he was given golden plates in a place with zero witnesses and zero proof other than "trust me bro"
With the original Christianity, several witnesses accounts were recorded (even some that have nothing to do with the Bible) and they were all willing to die on their testimony instead of kill to spread it (like most religions or sects). That alone suggests they actually believed what they were selling. Most religions were just a guy claiming he had enlightenment from visions with no witnesses or proof and they're about making himself rich and famous. Jesus died for His religion and so did His followers

oh okay

ye
worldviews are a wild animal

Homosexuality has existed since the Greeks, and likely before that, Jesus likely knew about it (y'know, being omnipotent and all) and why would he condone it? The way Christ and Christianity works is that Christ can come to you as you are, you can accept him at any point, and no matter what, he will forgive and love you, like he always has

Jesus was not omnipotent, that's a fallacy
It's the same fallacy as assuming that Jesus would somehow know how quantum physics worked

what is Jesus then?
not God? you're obviously wrong
Jesus was and is God, just as God is Jesus, and so is the holy spirit, Jesus was man and God, he knew everything, that's why he did what he did

Jesus' human nature means that he literally lacks knowledge at times (Mark 13:32)

debatable, was the Son not God, but you say that, but must you declare that the Holy Spirit is not God as well?

you still have to acknowledge that verse which directly contradicts what you've said

it only really defines that Jesus doesn't know when He will return (the Apoclyipse *I know i spelt that wrong, whatever) what point does that make, that Jesus diidnt know that the gau don't exist?

To be completely honest I wasn't trying to make any point other than being pedantic

schizophrenia

Of the ancient societies, the Greeks were also one of the most open to atheistic views (even though some believed in the gods that were so petty that they would sentence you to eternal torture for minor ways of hurting their feelings). Homosexuality there is not in the least surprising.
And im not saying homosexuality never existed (otherwise it would not be mentioned in the bible). It existed plenty. It was just always usually scorned by culture and certainly never looked upon as "cool".
Only exception specifically in the Bible was Sodom, where the men of the city saw male angels and immediately demanded for Lot to bring them out so they could r**e them. Obviously, since they were willing to r**e passersby, they definitely weren't history's biggest role models. And God also destroyed them bc they were so savage and wicked that people were crying out to Him for deliverance.

Zlawg there's a difference between consensual sex and rape

thats not my point
I'm saying that homosexuality wasn't usually deemed "normal" by ancient cultures. And the only exception specifically in the Bible was the kind of culture that was so evil that anything was culturally permissible as long as someone had a hole. Basically, think an entire tribe of P Diddys.

You're talking about Sodom and Gommorah, the cities of sin,
Doesn't mean someone can't be forgiven by Christ while being in a healthy relationship or marriage of any form

Yes.
That's definitely true. I never said that being gay at any point in life disqualifies you from ever being forgiven by Christ. Matter of fact, nothing seems to be unforgivable in the Bible other than blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

So true

so don't be mean about it

Mb, it's just kinda fun to bait the stream tho

where does the Bible say being gay is a sin

being mean about it literally is a sin tho
also for the record, you can't change someone's mind to not be gay.

Romans 1

do you mean

"27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." ?

because that does not say being gay is a sin

Thats literally describing men not doing what they do with women and lusting for each other, and then describes it as an unseemly error

fornicating with and lusting after women is also specifically called out as being sinful as well.
I'm not saying that having gay sex isn't a sin, I'm just saying it's not exactly right to say "being gay is a sin" especially as if homosexuality is some sort of special sin. having sex is always a sin unless it's done under specific circumstances.
there's also room for debate on whether simply being attracted to another person always counts as "lust" but I don't really want to get into that rn lol

yeah lusting for or having sex outside of marriage is considered a sin despite whether it's homosexual or heterosexual. I think the reason it's not met with as much backlash as homosexuality in the Christian square is bc the culture has just become so used to sex out of wedlock that nobody really is surprised by it anymore.
Tbh that probably wasn't a good choice, bc then came porn, and then it just went wild. Now you have people arguing pedophilia is okay. Did you know John Mooney, one of the LGBTQ community's founding fathers, was not only a pedophile, but he would "care" for children and test sex change operations on them with or without their or their parents' consent, and would have them play erotic games and do wildly inappropriate things with each other, while he invited his friends to "enjoy the show"?
I've been trying to tell people this for a while, but at first the argument was just "let us be gay", but that is not the final culture shift intended now, nor was it ever intended to be. The plan was always to make more things okay, one thing at a time, and pedophilia is one of the things on the list. That doesn't mean the whole community supports pedophilia (most don't, and I'm glad to agree with them on that), but what it does mean is that the people who pushed this always had that in the plans.

"John Mooney, one of the LGBTQ community's founding fathers" is definitely not a great representation of the gay community though.

"at first the argument was just "let us be gay", but that is not the final culture shift intended now, nor was it ever intended to be. The plan was always to make more things okay, one thing at a time, and pedophilia is one of the things on the list."

"let us be gay" was in fact the intended cultural shift, and if there is a secret agenda to normalize pedophilia, that's not really related to gay people just wanting to be gay.

And I never said he was. My problem here isn't with the members of the community, but the people who pushed it in the first place. The people who pushed it were extremely twisted.

I'm not saying it's related community-wise. Like I said, most of the gay community themselves doesn't support it. Heck, at first, many gays weren't even on board with transgenderism. Most gays to this day are not okay with pedophilia. That doesn't mean the people who influenced the culture at first weren't aiming for it to be considered okay one day. Once again, my problem is with the people affecting the cultural zeitgeist and not the communities specifically.

There's a simple thing called the "Overton Window". It's basically what beliefs are "permissible" according to the zeitgeist of the day. If you have read this book "Brave New World", basically that book was a warning about where the overton window was headed. All of this has been a plot to shift the overton window far until basically everyone screws everyone and anything in that regard is culturally permissible - except criticizing it. Brave New World depicts a utopia that is very much like what is the final product intended.

And although you might not support it, and a majority of us don't, there's no guarantee our kids won't. Just look at how different this generation is from the last one. There's no telling what our kids will believe if we don't teach them. Letting others teach them what is right and wrong is dangerous, because a one-opinion world is an easy way to usher in a dictatorship.

Really, the point is to erase the concept of God so they can usher in a dictatorship (because Christians are usually the first to fight those off), but that's another topic.

You quote literally said that men burning with passion for other men is an error smh

*lust

actually I think you can influence someone's sexuality by feeding them porn, or even by being abusive. I think that's affected our culture heavily. That's an evil way to change someone's sexuality, but I think people have intentionally taken advantage of it.

but the Bible has condemned homosexuality in the old testament law and the new testament where it says that fornicators, homosexuals and several other things have no place in the kingdom of God

yeah I agree with that first part to an extent (the only doubt being that I'm not sure there's enough research to completely back it up at least that I know of)

and yes the Bible does condemn homosexuality, but you have to realize that engaging in homosexual activity is fornication and all fornication is sinful no matter what. there seems to be an idea that because someone is attracted to the same sex, they're a sinner, but it really looks like people overlook the fact that being attracted to the opposite sex is no less sinful, not to mention that all human beings are sinful. so while homosexuals and fornicators have no place in the kingdom of God, neither do heterosexuals.
if you interpret these Bible verses as "being gay is a sin", then you MUST also believe that being straight is also a sin.

yeah that's definitely been researched.
Tbh porn kinda pisses me off because it destroys lives and yet social media mods won't get rid of it because it makes them more than all of the sports industries combined. So they won't ban porn, but they definitely will delete entire channels for using words they don't like because "words hurt people's feelings". So hurting people's feelings is bad but destroying people's lives isn't if it makes you a couple billion dollars. The double standard really makes me annoyed.

This is true, but it's not a justification for either. Being straight is a sin if you are lusting or sleeping outside of marriage. If you're in a straight marriage, lusting and sleeping with your significant other is permitted.