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Pulling Out ? | SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS; TRUMP PULLING OUT; PARIS AGREEMENT | image tagged in pull out,climate change,paris,crash,science,trump | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
151 views 1 upvote Made by flipmymeme 2 weeks ago in politics
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20,000 years ago New York City was covered with 15,000 feet of glacial ice. This is proven by exposed boulders in New York City Central Park bearing glacial striations. Are you saying all that ice melted because caveman were driving Hummers?
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To be fair, that was 20,000 years ago. This current stuff is happening much faster. The climate has experienced huge changes over history, you're right, but the world had time to adapt. And the world's population was tiny compared to now. Ancient humans didn't have to worry about their cities getting flooded or millions of people being displaced. I'm loving the image of cavemen driving Hummers, though. 😆😎
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Sea levels were 200’ lower. Mastodons and saber tooth tigers didn’t adapt. The global temperature about 1050AD was hotter than now, yet here we are.
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I believe you're referring to the Medieval Warm Period. As far as I understand, that was not a globalized event and did not affect global average temperatures significantly, like we're seeing now. But, like I said, I'm not a climate scientist so feel free to provide more sources on that.

Mastodons and saber-toothed tigers, etc, died out over a long period during the last extinction event c. 10K years ago (Quaternary megafaunal extinction). Climate change played a part plus other factors like the arrival of humans in the Americas which led to the loss of a lot of megafauna, I believe.

Versus species extinction we're seeing now which is faster and accelerating due to more rapid global changes in climate (along with ecosystem loss from other human activity plus pollution, of course, which possibly you don't disagree with).

In any case, 10K years ago the human population was tiny compared to now and people were much more mobile. Now that we have huge cities and billions of people with lives and livelihoods to lose, it's more of a big deal and the stakes are much higher. We've already seen how much damage is being caused by flooding, storms, heatwaves and wildfires, etc, across the world and how ill-equipped we are even in the US, the richest country.

On a purely economic level this is hard to deal with even now so if it gets worse we're gonna have a lot of expensive cleanup to do. (Also one factor driving current waves of human migration, by the way, along with conflicts, many of which we were directly involved in. Which manifests as simply an "immigration" problem for us, but we need to look at the bigger picture of why so many people are on the move in the first place.)

At the very least, I think we should be preparing ourselves by building flood defences and better infrastructure, whether we accept anthropogenic climate change or not. Because, even if it turns out we're not responsible (to play devil's advocate), the climate does appear to be heating up (much faster than during previous periods, in geological terms), and we have a lot more to lose than we did thousands of years ago now that we have so many settled populations and are largely urban.

Bangladesh is one of the most populous and densely populated countries on earth, for example. If sea level rises cause it to get flooded, we may have a lot more immigrants to talk about. Not to mention the geopolitical consequences. Obviously it's a super complex debate so there are no easy answers. My 2c.
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The Medieval Warm Period was global. Temps WERE warmer than now. 400 years of +.5°C greater than now.
The planet and mankind survived.
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Any “global warming” (or cooling, as affected by volcanoes) is happening all on its own and has been for millennia. It’s beyond our control. As humans, we can adapt to it.
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Btw, what's the deal with this "politics" stream being so pro-Trump? Have you scared off all the libs? 🤣
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I have no idea.

Not me.
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The libs can't take the heat or something? I'm def not a Trump fan btw (I think he's a total nutjob), but that's what memes and trolling are for. Stay and fight, dammit. 🤣 Don't worry: you won't scare me away with your memes or comments lol. I've seen much worse. I don't like echo chambers. I've seen some people turn off comments too which is a bit disappointing. Dude, stand and fight. We're here to debate stuff.
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I’m not going anywhere
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That's what I like to hear. 😎
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The Paris agreement does nothing to address climate change.
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Could well be. You're right. Let's all work together to fix it.
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We'll need to get the biggest polluters on board, instead of giving a pass to keep polluting.
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Fair point. China needs to get on board, so yeh, Why should we beat ourselves up when China is buying up coal mines? (Although they're also busy investing in renewables.)

USA is also one of the biggest polluters on earth. Followed by India, Russia and Japan...
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Depends on who you ask and how you measure.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50298972
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https://www.gzeromedia.com/graphic-truth-which-countries-pollute-the-most
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1 up, 2w,
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Nice one. I like it. 😆
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That's right, put the pressure on so now I have to try.
(TY)
1 up, 2w
Happy to oblige lol. I eagerly await any more memes you've got. 😎
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The UN admits climate change agenda is about wealth redistribution.

“ 3. What’s on the agenda this year?

COP29 has been called “the finance COP”, due to its focus on scaling up climate finance. Climate finance refers to the funding that is needed to help lower-income countries transition to zero-carbon economies, and to help the most affected communities adapt to the effects of climate change. A major objective of COP29 is to increase this funding and to produce a new goal for future climate finance.”
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Is richer countries contributing to fund poorer countries' climate preparations the same as "wealth redistribution" though? Sounds more like foreign aid to me. 🤔 (That can be debated too but I'm not sure it's quite the same thing as stealthily taking money from us.)
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The climate has always changed, right? It gets cold in winter and hot in summer...
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https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3278/nasa-study-reveals-compounding-climate-risks-at-two-degrees-of-warming/

Climate change is a problem. Good luck with those shelters...
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