For all of the boys on this stream yelling about abortion, sorry YOU'RE so scared

ACTUAL FACTS:

2013-2021: fatality rate for legally induced abortion was 100% per 100,000 abortions.

2022: Returning abortion legislation to the States REDUCED the maternal mortality rate by 10.6 deaths per 100,000 live births, as compared to 2021.

What is your point?

What is the "problem" that some think is abortion?

Not for people breathing on their own. But, bless your heart, I knew that someone would have that objection!

I raised no objection.

I asked two questions that you are either afraid to answer or have no coherent answer to provide.

You have yet to prove causality. Maternal mortality spiked in 2021, but you'd have to prove that it spiked because of Roe (which had been law for almost 50 years) and not some other cause. Good luck with that.

pesky facts... lol

Yep

They/them types will type 10 lengthy irrelevant comments to avoid answering a question.

And Right/Women-have-no-rights types neither listen to nor understand the relevant answers they're given. Tragic, really.

You gave no answers.

Only additional irrelevant nonsense as stated.

QUESTIONS:

#1 - what is your point in reference to your stated statistics?

#2 - what is the "actual" problem that some others think is abortion?

Answer those two questions - if you dare!

#1 should require only one simple sentence, #2 should require somewhere between one word and one simple sentence.

FYI - your irrelevant comment count stands at 3.

You've been trolling me pretty hard, but I'll give you the respect of two answers.

Abortion is not dangerous. Women deserve the chance to make their own decisions about their health and safety, without the states, or a bunch of other people's morals getting in their way. Abortion is also not murder, no matter how much flawed argument people bring to say it is.

The actual problem: people trying to control women. Get out of my uterus, already, and everyone's.

Not trolling.

Asking questions.

Having babies is not that dangerous either.

Sounds like YOU are trying to control women.

If you had the "get out of my uterus" mentality from the beginning you need not be concerned with abortion.

My argument that it is murder rests on the tearful, angry reactions of women that have had abortions when confronting opponents of baby murder, calling it "healthcare" in a feeble attempt to assuage their feelings of guilt.

You can clearly see that it eats at their soul because they know it is murder and it is wrong.

"I'm on the outside, I'm looking in, I can see through you..." Staind

I couldn't reply to your last post, but NO. I always argue from facts. I started with statistics, and so I'll continue.

Here's an actual academic study that disproves your (laughably worded) assertion that women necessarily feel consumed with guilt after abortions: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study

More than that, you lack the context of having given birth. Pregnancy is a possibility, not a person. Women who get pregnant with the best of intentions and care have to live with that reality.

"Among 53,479 different women admitted to labor and delivery ward, 43% of women reported having had 1 or more first trimester spontaneous miscarriages; 27% reported having had one, 10% two, 4% three, 1.3% four, 0.6% five and 0.05% reported having 6–16 spontaneous first trimester miscarriages."

Until you give live birth, it is only a probability, not a baby.

Facts and statistics?

Anyone can misstate the facts.

Anyone create a statistic to fit their narrative - think Kamala being always two points over The People's Hero, DJ Trump, in the pre election polls...even on the day of.

Academic study of anecdotal statements of feeeelings is not science or "evidence"...I mean, you said that, anecdotal evidence is hawg warsh. Why, then, do you employ it?

Ahhh, there are more anecdotes.

Spontaneous miscarriage cannot be prevented, yet women experience psychological trauma from the experience. One is reasonable to expect the emotional damage to be multiplied when intentional "miscarriage" is employed.

😄 Oh, you! "Pregnancy is a possibility not a person"...what campus baby murder rally facilitator provided you with that gem of a catchphrase?

You are trying too hard to convince me that women are not psychologically harmed by killing defenseless human life in their wombs.

Which is too say, you are trying to convince yourself.

By the by, you never answered me;

You do know that adults are able to make the decision to murder a baby in their uterus, don't you?

I believe you do know that, so what are you on about?

Attention? Assuagement?

In the US, carrying a pregnancy to term is, as that data shows, almost a hundred times more dangerous than an abortion, more than that if you only consider early-term medication abortions. However, my stance is that women should be able to make either of those choices with their pregnancies.

Secondly, you can hold the "baby murder" nonsense. When the fanatics you call "opponents of baby murder" get up in women's and care providers faces when the women are making intensely personal healthcare choices, or, as in some states, insist that doctors have to LIE to women about made up correlations between abortion and breast cancer (I'm looking at you, Alaska, Kansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Texas!), it's no surprise that the women and those who care about them are upset.

As for your anecdotal evidence about women's feelings after an abortion, millions of women have abortions every year. Some of them bitterly regret their choice afterwards; others are relieved and happy to have had the choice. The majority of women in the US who have an abortion have already had a child and understand what is at stake in a very concrete way. Let adults make their own choices, or admit that you're lining up on the side of autocracy and theocracy and against freedom and American values.

Also, fun fact: trolling someone by repeatedly asking slanted questions is called "sealioning".

They are emotionally distraught.

You know they are.

I know they are.

Everyone knows they are.

They selfishly murdered their own defenseless child and suffer mentally from having done so.

Trolling by repeatedly asking slanted questions?

You mean like you did?

😄 Your whole post is based on asking a slanted question!

😄 Your attempt at insult fails.

I do not award participation trophies.

All you have is anecdotal "evidence" to support your opinion.

And speaking to your histrionics regarding freedom and rights - you do know that adults still have the ability to make their own choice... don't you?

Because you act like you don't.