Apparantly, MAGA does not like it when we call Trump a "Threat to democracy."

Lol... Thats funny. After he fed everyone his big lie, told them all that the Dems were trying to take over the country, after he told everyone to fight like hell, after Guiliani said "Trial by combat", after Eastman said "Kick azz and take names," after Trump asked the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by," after he told everyone that pence should be violating the Constitution, after he told them to march down tot the Capitol to let them know how mad they all were, he quickly and softly said "go peacefully" to his crowd of white supremacists and MAGA domestic terrorists.
Sorry...nice try. He is guilty as charged.

& Joe Biden got 81 Million Popular votes, and enough electoral College Votes; uh huh, right.

...maybe, only after swing states unconstitutionally and hastily changed their voting process under
the guise of the "pandemic".

Article 1 Section 4 specifically.
It is fairly easy to demonstrate that each of these swing states changed the time, places, and manner of elections not by their State Legislators thereof.
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Pennsylvania time, place, and manner of 2020 election was changed by their state supreme court justices, not their legislators in a legislative session.

Other states had a single person in their Governor change the time places and manner of the 2020 election. Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin.

That these states votes were even counted is a farce.
They effectively seceded from the Constitution and thus the Union of States.

Not to burst your TDS bubble, yet the Orange Man did have a legitimate beef.
Hard to claim "Trump did attempt to steal an election"
that was allegedly STOLEN by The Dem Cheater Machine, as simply demonstrated above.
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Calling an Unarmed Woman, an Air Force Veteran like Ashli Babbitt a Make America Great Again Domestic Terrorist is nothing short of sad. She is a Patriot that gave her life, upholding the Liberty and Freedom of Unarmed Peaceful Protest and right to redress her Grievances at a Public building open for public business as affirmed in the Constitution, which was not being adhered to in that election.

Libs are science deniers... so...

No state changed their voting processes. The Supreme Court refused to hear a case about that. Its fake news propaganda from a desperate cult looking to deflect and shift the blame. If it was true, they had their chance in court and during the Jan6 hearings. But lo and behold.....everyone was silent. Just like they are now. Tell you what...when you have some proof...show us. We've been waiting for 4 years now...ever since Trump went 0-68 in court.
No dead people voted.
No State violated their state Constitution.
No boxes of ballots.
No secret USB drives.
No rigged voting machines from dead Venezuelan dictators.
What we DID have however was:
Pressuring state officials
Sending in counterfeit electors.
Filing frivolous lawsuits with zero evidence
Creating a plan for Pence to violate the Constitution.
Calling upon the Proud Boys to overthrow the government so that Trump could remain in power AFTER losing an election.
Having Congress deny the peaceful transfer of power. ("The Green Bay Sweep")
Rudy Guiliani and Sydney Powell signing confessions that the accusations about Georgia were false and purposely planned. (Now he owes $143 Million)
And lets not forget Fox News paying Dominion Voting Machines $878 Million and firing Tucker Carlson all for the election lies they told.

And BTW...we Americans do not have TDS. That would be you non-Americans who dress up in Trump hats, shirts, jackets, pants, bandannas, with tattoos, flags, banners, bumper stickers, yard signs, trading cards, coins, gold sneakers, and decked-out Trump trucks.

Your initial sentence in reply is utter Malarkey.
The rest follows in suit.

My question was in regard to specifically Article 1 Section 4 of the US Constitution
for the Record.

You have gone on, fantastically at length, addressing your internal notions,
and thankfully, we all could possibly respect that, yet your reply appears as an alleged deflection, and you've simply failed to address
Article 1 Section 4 as you were earnestly asked to address.

Is this a problem?

What evidence with links can you supply to support your claim that
"No state changed their voting processes."
Because honestly, there exists evidence to the contrary.

I don't need to provide a link because no one can prove a negative. PLUS I am not making any claims. I am simply calling you out on yours. YOU claim that States violated their own voting processes. The SCOTUS disagrees with you and so do I. But you have had 4 years to prove it either court or Congressional hearings and yet....nothing. So YOU prove that states DID violate their own Constitutions or your claim is fake.

And don't worry about me waiting. I've been waiting for 4 years so far. Tons of lies, misinformation, denials, deflections, propaganda, and conspiracy theories, but not one shred of evidence. Or as Guiliani said in court "No evidence at all."

Well, in Wisconsin for one example:

The State Legislators thereof did not in fact assemble, nor convene via Zoom or any other plausible assembly that would make their changes enacted by instead a small committee;
to accept absentee mail in ballots as a substitute for showing up to the polls as the law prescribed.
Just because their laws don't mention absentee ballot boxes, doesn't make them the lawful way to vote as to time place and manner by their entire elected legislators in that state, thereof.

THE FACTS: Wisconsin law is silent on absentee ballot boxes. The bipartisan Wisconsin Elections Commission before the 2020 election provided guidance to local election clerks who run elections, telling them that ballot boxes can be put wherever they want. Wisconsin’s top elections official testified last year that at least 528 drop boxes were used by more than 430 communities in the 2020 presidential election.

This is a change in how they voted in ALL elections leading up to 2020.
To say "No state changed their voting processes." is really silly, in the case Wisconsin.

Shall we go through the others ?

All made up propaganda. The Wisconsin GoP conducted a full forensic audit after Tucker Carlson and Trump claimed that 3000 dead people voted in the state. The GoP found that the number of dead people who voted was ZERO. Enough with the hearsay and propaganda and deflection. Give us some real tangible proof. If you can't then you are nothing more than someone who repeats right-wing propaganda. Give us a non-right-wing source. Because until you do, its just propaganda and lies. Biden won by 7 million votes in what is considered to be the most free and fair election in US history.
Take a look at these. They are non-biased, non-left-wing sources. See how easy it is?

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/its-official-election-was-secure

https://apnews.com/article/fox-trump-election-claims-defamation-voting-machines-91d6c6e7d39083b7732787e013bb1fc4

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhaustive-fact-check-finds-little-evidence-of-voter-fraud-but-2020s-big-lie-lives-on

So you know what else this means? It means that the insurrection was fomented with a BIG LIE. Ashley Babbitt, the MAGA domestic terrorist lost her life all for a BIG LIE. And that is what upsets you folks so much, is that you were duped into hate, division, racism, and insurrection. I understand that is tough to take when you only care about saving face.

Nice touch using a quote from an actor.
Weird times.
Still waiting for your evidence supporting "No state changed their voting processes" which is a remarkable statement, considering clearly in 2020, many states hastily altered their voting processes to accomodate their DRASTIC and ludicrous mandates of "social distancing" and therefore made up a pretend justification of non-gathering in groups in direct violation of
FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY, under the guise of a perceived invisible public health threat in the very air their citizens breathed. Do you really think anyone could believe that
"No state changed their voting processes" ??? Astounding, if true.

To believe that, one would need to strangely ignore that Many states hastily went to vote by mail for all, or absentee vote by drop box, rather than public poll sites without proper Constitutional avenues of approval or this being in contrast with their own state laws regarding elections time, place, and manner already on the books. How odd. Eccentric at best.

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Article 1 Sect 4 was ignored and not adhered to regarding Times, Places, & Manner in the 2020 planned-demic election.

Are you claiming it was?

You might want to consider reading it.

I did not state as you say "that states DID violate their own (State) Constitutions"
However, I did say that several apparently indeed violated THE U.S. CONSTITUTION
and PHYSICALLY cited the article and section that anyone can find and read.

No state altered their voting process. Even the SCOTUS said so. And accommodating people during a pandemic is not violating their state Constitutions. And starting on election night, when Trump started his Big Lie, he had no idea what accusations he was going to make. The entire concept of states violating their Constitutions was brought up months later as all the other conspiracy theories were debunked by federal and Republican judges who care about truth and justice. 0-68 in court.

And don't worry. We are well aware that Trump and Speaker Johnson, and members of the SCOTUS are already planning for their accusations of election fraud. We are ready for it. And if they try, you people just might get that USA-ending civil war that you want. Putin will be very happy. But i guarantee that no matter what, Trump will never be in office again.

Nice that you can JUSTIFY what was done by restating the ridiculous:
"No state altered their voting process"

I do not want a "USA-ending civil war" , nor do I ever advocate for violence as a solution to a problem.

Regarding the final sentence of your above paragraph, that may be so, the orange man may bow out, and Vance may be the candidate in the next 37 days.

***Yet, what if that doesn't happen, and the Orange Man receives the most Electoral College Votes in 2024 ? Just like he did against a stronger candidate HRC in 2016, than the weaker sauce un-democratically selected Kamala, this time around?
How will that work with your guarantee ?

Pelosi is not in place this time around.

Trump will never take office ever again. Harris will not only win, but probably by 15 million votes or more. Of course there will be problems with the states that have sworn to cause problems like Georgia, nebraska, Montana, etc... but we'll get it all straightened out.

So tell me.....what do you think Trump will do when he loses? 100+ court trials, the SCOTUS, have Congress commit treason, call for acts of violence like he did last time?
I'm curious what you think.

Oh...and BTW...No state violated their state constitutions in any way shape or form. That is an undeniable fact.

Believe what you want to believe.

Oh.... and BTW... it is only one person in this discussion that keeps going on about
state constitutions for some unknown reason.
I never mentioned any individual state constitution, not even once.
Please make note of that

Neither current candidate, Harris or Trump, is a great option for this country.
Globalists at WEF are the winners in either scenario.

It appears the USA is already over without ever culminating in a second civil war.
It's been sold out to Soviet Style, NeoMarxist-Statism from within.

"Soviet Style, NeoMarxist-Statism from within.????"
Wow dude. You really need a new aluminum foil hat. Funny how the only only people who use terminology like that are the radical right wingers who are brainwashed by the radical right media like FOX.
Honestly, I can sit here all day and compare EVERYTHING the "Republicans" are doing today as neo-fascist Hitler-style Nazism.....and you know what? I'd be right. And Americans have always fought against the fascists and Nazis....and won. (April 1945).

Yet, the Americans didn't have to fight Fascism and Nazi's by endorsing the cultural hegemony of GRAMSCI ideology. The foil hat baloney, you already gave to the American Viking.

HRC, Obama, and now Harris/Walz are completely endorsing Gramsci and Kissinger in a melded idealogy.
This is not how Americans defeated Mussolini and you might want to learn that.
What Mussolini did to Gramsci is atrocious.

Yet, Americans don't like either Fascists nor Soviet Style Stalinist Socialists(like that Marxist in Gramsci); yet chart their own path with Allies like Churchill, whom helped use Stalin (a crappy alternative in Marxism) to help beat the crappier alternative in Hitler's Nazism.... And you know what? Stalinism sucks too, and being able to hold more than two thoughts at one time and understand that there are many enemies to our USA Constitutional Republic is tantamount to it's thriving and surviving.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci

Let's just say that you are correct in your TDS, and that Trump is the Fascist Boogey Man,
Does that Mean endorsing a Marxist solution is better than a Fascist Solution?

Americans ought be aware of Fascism and Marxism and not SUPPORT EITHER if they wish to keep a Democratic Constitutional Republic.

Time to get out the aluminum foil hat.

You wear whatever makes you comfortable... LOL

Today I asked DOJ Inspector General why his J6 report has taken almost 4 years and won’t come out before the election.

The number of FBI informants participating in the January 6th 2021 protest will shock folks.

I’ll post the rest of my questions from this hearing later today. https://t.co/3bkzzNj8oJ

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) September 25, 2024

Same old blame game with fake facts. That's all you people are ever capable of handling. The real test of your conspiracy theories will be if Trump is able to use it as a defense when he goes to trial for his violent and deadly insurrection. You know that jack Smith has Mark Meadows who turned state's evidence. Oooops.

BTW...do you have a non-right-wing link for your "story?" I'd love to read it.

Yes... I can see you are so well informed by the regime's propaganda outlets...

The only propaganda outlet is the Trump Network (AKA Fox News.)
We get all out news about Trump FROM Trump.

The difference between us is that I post things that actually happened. Things that can PHYSICALLY be verified from all sources.
You post lies, misinformation, denials, distractions, deflections, propaganda, and conspiracy theories that have zero proof and zero evidence. They only come from your radical right-wing sources that you love to look at because they hate the same people you do.

But I am giving you a chance to prove me 100% wrong. All you need to do is what I already asked for. Give me either a copy of this Inspector General report, or give me a non-right-wing link to the story. Prove to me that you only deal in facts and back up what you claim.

And yes yes yes yes yes I know...JD VAnce has already said that lying is ok and that he will continue to lie in order to make his points. Its the MAGA way I guess.

Since you like things that can PHYSICALLY be verified from a source
Explain Article 1 Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution for us please ?

Apparently some people don't know this stuff comes from Congressional hearings...

Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General Michael Horowitz has confirmed the number of federal assets present at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, will likely not be disclosed until after the November election. At a Congressional hearing on Wednesday, Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) told Horowitz he has been “continuously stonewalled” by Attorney General Merrick Garland and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director Christopher Wray on the number of “federal assets, such as confidential human sources” at the riot for three years. However, the DOJ Inspector General was no more forthcoming.

“Do you have evidence of the number of confidential human sources that were operating on the Capitol grounds on January 6?” Massie asked, with Horowitz responding that the information would be included in his long-delayed report on January 6, commissioned just days after it occurred.

That's not an answer to the question I posed.

You'll never get a straight answer from them for that question.

Nor will we ever get an answer as to why an unarmed woman ever deserves lethal force

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But, but,
...it was an "insurrection"

All made up propaganda. But as I keep saying to you, all you have to do is provide either a copy of this Inspector General report, or give me a non-right-wing link to the story. Prove to me that you only deal in facts and back up what you claim. Stop deflecting. Give the proof the same way that I provide the proof. You've had 4 years to present this information, yet just like with Mike Lindell's "Absolute Proof," we are still waiting. If you are providing quotation marks, then you can provide a source, or else your quotation marks are a lie. ANY non-right-wing source will be fine.
Thank you.

That's nice. Quite cogent and salient insights. Now, Let's stay on task and topic here.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-4/clause-1/congress-and-the-elections-clause

*This source is from the Law School at the University that both our current non-right-wing CDC director, Mandy Cohen, M.D.; and one of her non-right-wing predecessors, Anthony Fauci, M.D. graduated from. Hopefully, the source is non-right-wing-enough to pass your litmus test for discussion.

There is only ONE mention of Elections in the U.S. Constitution, yet Madison's notes provide insight into his thinking on making it the State Legislators thereof to decide in session by Law; the Times, Places, & Manners of holding elections, and that pretty much could be summed up that these local representatives are the closest to the local people.

Anything short of that or devoid of this responsibility willy nilly, is not adhering to the Constitution, which is what all these people swore an oath to uphold. It is not legal nor fair that many states kept their voting Laws as prescribed; and others hastily changed them by means other than prescribed within Article 1 Sect 4 in their State Legislative session.
Substituting Governors, state Judicial Branches, and election committees or whatnot runs roughshod on the Rules prescribed in the Playbook

To paraphrase Honest Abe's quote: "A house divided cannot stand", This house of a Nation is no longer a constitutional representative Republic, if a few member states can go Rogue, and All cannot adhere to agree to go by the Playbook, with there being no consequences for non-compliance.

(Nod to "The Great One", former Chief of Staff for 1980's Attorney General of the USA for the Madison Notes insights)

Blah blah blah blah blah. No proof of a stolen election. TONS of proof Trump sent in fake electors and staged an insurrection. As usual, you have nothing. No evidence. No proof. Only lies, misinformation, propaganda, and conspiracy theories.
Stop giving propaganda and interpretations. We need solid proof that the election was stolen and that Trump was not responsible for the Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, and MAGA Domestic terrorists attempting to overthrow the government in order to keep Trump in power AFTER he lost an election.

Is that the part of the Constitution that talks about sedition and treason? Is it the part that talks about asking the Proud Boys to:
Assassinate the Vice President when he won't do Trump's illegal bidding?
Undermine the will of the American People?
Halt the peaceful transfer of power?
Violate the Constitution?
And overthrow the Government in order to keep Trump in a position of unelected power AFTER he lost an election?
Is that the section you are referring to?
Or maybe its the section that talks about sending in fake electors.
Hmmm...its so hard to choose. So many crimes. YIKES!!!!

Seek help.
There are those out there that care.
Quite seriously.

The only help that will be needed is people to stand up to Trump's white supremacists and maga domestic terrorists when he loses and asks them to "stand back and stand by" once again. But no worries...there are plenty of us already.
America over QAnon
Democracy over Fascism
Constitution over Nazism.

You do that. More power to ya'

What is this "Make America Great Again Domestic Terrorists"
imaginary boogie men you speak of ? Or, is what you're referring to an honorably discharged, Unarmed Boogie Woman Veteran, attempting to redress her grievances?

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