Harris or Trump on Abortion Rights

Clatsop0 ups, <1h
Umm… It’s entirely up to each state to decide. Or were you not aware of that?

Yes, instead of the citizen who is needing the medical procedure.

They have taken away abortion rights and replaced them with a system wherein states grant or deny abortion privileges and in which the most conservative will police and prosecute actions of their citizens that take place outside of their borders.

Murder is now a “medical procedure”
How Josef Mengele of you.

You can't murder that which isn't alive, and developing organisms haven't reached the stage of being independent life yet.

I'm sorry reality has a bias toward personal liberties and not your pretensions of entitlement.

I see this conversation has veered from one of discussing legality relative to the issue, into a discussion of pure emotion.

Nobody is going to change anyone's mind on this issue.

I'm not seeing emotion outside your attempt to call me a right-wing authoritarian.

It's a biological fact that until an organism can maintain homeostasis and metabolize food into energy, it isn't life and cannot be murdered.

Aaaand Exhibit A ?👇

The left and the DNC just murdered Biden…

There was never a “right to an abortion” codified by the constitution or by an amendment to the constitution.

Roe v. Wade was a “decision” that got overturned. Forty-nine years have passed since the Supreme Court’s 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade established the constitutional right to an abortion before fetal viability. There have been congressional attempts to pass a constitutional amendment overturning Roe, as well as efforts to codify the decision. — All have failed.

Let me say that again… All have failed.

Just for your own education regarding federal powers vs. states rights:

Amendment Ten to the Constitution was ratified on December 15, 1791. It makes clear that any powers that are not specifically given to the federal government, nor withheld from the states, are reserved to those respective states, or to the people at large. The original text is written as such:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

If you have a problem with the constitution of the United States of America, work politically towards an actual amendment to the constitution. Until then. it’s up to the states.

Heck, there was an old Law & Order episode that stated this. State Issue.

There was never a right to contraception, desegregation, interracial marriage, or free public defenders codified through a constitutional amendment either - they're just natural rights that were affirmed to already exist under our Constitution.

Decisions are rarely overturned in our system, and observed rights never before now - but the Republican Party spent decades working to corrupt the Supreme Court specifically for that purpose, and Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump successfully pulled it off.

But feel free to continue feeling cocksure about it - the loss of that one single right has lost the last three elections for you guys, and is about to lose another.

So, codify it then. Be politically pro-abortion to your fullest extent possible. I encourage it. You and your ilk are on the wrong side of history, and it exposes you all as the callous, anti-family f**ks that you are.

"Decisions are rarely overturned in our system"

Huh?!

"the Republican Party spent decades working to corrupt the Supreme Court "

As opposed to the view that the democrat party had spent decades working to corrupt the supreme court, so they'd decide Roe the way they did. I hope you can recognize how the logic of your point fails.

I'm not taking a position on abortion, not here on imgflip at least, but I try *not* to make arguments based on some self-perception of occupying the moral high ground. Arguments cannot be won, nor even can good points be made with that approach, imo.

"But feel free to continue feeling cocksure about it "

If you could read your post with any kind of objectivity, I think you'd be surprised to see that you're using the exact same tactics to make your points that the other side uses. Tactics you claim to oppose, yet for some reason are using.

Our legal system is built on hundreds of years of precedent - much of it predating the existence of our own Constitution and judicial system. The GOP-corrupted SCOTUS has, since stealing the majority, taken a machete to long-established precedent in a way that's never been done before.

There was not, and has never been anything of the sort done by the Democrats - Roe was decided on the merits of individual rights - the justices that signed onto that concurring opinion were 4 republican appointees and 2 democratic appointees.

Outstanding post Clatsop! One of the best I've seen here on the mighty imgflip, in a long time, if not all time. That's an excellent explanation regarding states vs. federal rights according to our Constitution.

Thanks, fellow conservative!

And thank you! But... in the truest sense, and in what I must say can only be inspiration from my liberal friends here on the mighty imgflip, I don't *identify* as a conservative. Although vBackman gave me a quiz and I checked something like 7 out of the 10 boxes. If I were the type to join a political party (which I'm not) or even an ideology like being a conservative, I'd be closer to Libertarian, at least ideologically. But like our Dem party, they're a pathetic joke as a party, so I could join, but like Groucho Marx advised, I won't.

"Yes, instead of the citizen who is needing the medical procedure."

Invalid point. If you want to attack from that angle, you can't be for the federal govt being the decision maker. Not even if you agree with that decision.

It's 100% inconsistent to say it's wrong that the state is 'making the decision' instead of "the citizen who is needing the medical procedure, and not apply that same standard to "the state" at the federal level.

To do so is called situational beliefs.

If one's beliefs are not based on a sound foundation of principles that guide them to make decisions on specific issues, they have nothing.

No government should be the decision maker - that's 100% the point.

It was an individual right that theocratic plants on the high court stripped women of, full stop.

So the Democrats decided to abort Joe before his term was completed?

The "Hologram" is supposed to speak tonight, lol. I guess It could be him.
Odds are 50/50 that he resigns.

In April, he shared a video on his Truth Social site saying, “Many people have asked me what my position is on abortion and abortion rights. My view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both. And whatever they decide must be the law of the land — in this case, the law of the state.”

When asked directly that same month if he would sign a national law protecting preborn children from abortion, Trump said, “No.”

That's because he knows loss of abortion access has destroyed the GOP in the last three election cycles, and overturning Roe was a loser even in deep red states like Kansas.

lol… You just pulled that out of your ass.

Made up bullshit… just like a typical f**king Democrat.