The actions of the Democrat Party during COVID-19 is the greatest atrocity perpetrated on America in my lifetime.

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Fake news. mRNA vaccines saved lives not ended them.

“In the two years since the first COVID-19 vaccines were given to patients in the U.S., the vaccines had the cumulative effect of preventing 18 million hospitalizations and 3 million deaths. That is based on a new modeling analysis conducted by a researcher at the University of Maryland School of Medicine (UMSOM) and her colleagues. Results of the analysis were published by the Commonwealth Fund.

The researchers relied on a computer model of COVID-19 transmission to estimate the number of deaths and hospitalizations that were prevented from December 2020 through November 2022.

Since the vaccine was approved near the end of 2020, more than 655 million doses have been administered and 80 percent of the U.S. population has received at least one shot. Without vaccination, there would have been nearly 120 million more COVID-19 infections, according to the new analysis. The vaccination program also saved the U.S. $1.15 trillion in medical costs that would otherwise have been incurred.“
https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2022/covid-vaccines-prevented-3-million-deaths-in-the-us-new-analysis-finds.html

Did it prevent people from getting COVID? I got vaccinated and I got COVID-19 after the vaccination. The same with my wife.

We both regret getting the vaccine.

It is NOT fake news that the 9th circuit court is now calling it a treatment.

But all of the crap that was spread about anything other than the vaccine not working, you cannot deny that had those treatments not been so riduculed by leftists then more lives would have been saved. Both Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin could have saved many lives while we were waiting for this bogus vaccination.

The problem with the UMSOM quote and probably any other quote is timing. That article was from 2 years ago. Back then those of us who understood what was happening were still ridiculed by the left.

Those days have passed because all of the agencies, medical associations, etc, are all vindicating what the rest of us knew all along.

Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin worked in preventing the spread, and weakening the illness and shortening the duration of the infection. But you called Ivermectin "horse medicine".

They are all saying masks did nothing to stop the spread. They are all saying that social distancing did nothing to stop the spread.

Everything that the left forced us to do was a lie. A big fat lie.

Sigh for the millionth time.
The vaccine was to prevent DEATHS by Covid 19.
Not prevent infection.

The hope was that MAYBE with decreased viral loads and less time infected it would lower viral infection rates but that was never officially labeled as a goal and fact.

Hydroxychloroquine did not stop viral transmission nor infection.

And ivermectin only works on PARASITES.
I would know because I use it on my guinea pigs to prevent parasites and fleas. If ivermectin worked on viruses they would have never gotten colds but they get them regardless.

the only way ivermectin helped is if the patient already had parasites that lowered the immune response to Covid. Allowing the body to focus on the virus and not a fight against the parasites it can’t win.

"Sigh for the millionth time.
The vaccine was to prevent DEATHS by Covid 19.
Not prevent infection."

For the millionth time, That is NOT what we were told. We were told that if you took the vaccine YOU WOULD NOT GET THE VIRUS. We were told that over and over and over. How you don't know that is beyond me because it was EVERYWHERE. Every news media outlet reported that the vaccine would "prevent the infection". It is the reason why government agencies and many private businesses announced that if you did not get the vaccine you would be fired. They were all under the delusion that it was the cure.

"And ivermectin only works on PARASITES."

From the National Library of Medicine:

"Ivermectin is naturally derived from the fermentation of Streptomyces avermitilis. Ivermectin is known as a drug with a wide range of pharmacological properties, including antimicrobial, anticancer, and antiviral effects. Ivermectin has a record of safety in human use, with the total distributed doses in one-third of the world population, in the past 30 years. Of note, there is convincing evidence showing the therapeutic potential of Ivermectin for treating COVID-19. Several clinical trials have demonstrated ameliorating effect of Ivermectin on the symptoms of the disease, and a growing number of ongoing clinical trials are evaluating its therapeutic efficacy and safety in patients with various stages of the disease. Moreover, mechanistic studies have indicated that Ivermectin can selectively inhibit molecular targets involved in the replication and infection of the SARS-CoV-2 virus."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9442455/

Did you see the part where ivermectin is used as an antimicrobial, anticancer and antiviral.
It is NOT just for PARASITES!

From the National Library of Medicine:

"Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) has shown efficacy against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in some but not all studies. We hypothesized that a systematic review would show HCQ to be effective against COVID-19, more effective when provided earlier, not associated with worsening disease and safe."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7534595/

Where was this information back in 2020 and 2021??? There were several doctors who were seeing up to 75% effectiveness of both ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Those doctors where shutdown by all the big government health organizations. It didn't matter that those doctors had documented proof otherwise.

Odd, I don't recall you ever saying you've gotten the vaccine. You've always been pumping the same anti since you joined.

"Odd, I don't recall you ever saying you've gotten the vaccine"

What??? Go check your profile. You've saved everything everyone says. I must have said it 100 times or more on ImgFlip. Do you save conversations that I have had with other people that you were not a part of? If you do then you are sure to find it in that.

I really haven't spoken out much about the vaccine. I did when I saw doctors fighting against the narrative saying that they had a 75% success rate with hydroxychloroquine and they were having their practices taken away from them. Because, to the left, there was nothing at all you or anyone could do once you got COVID. Everyone had to wait for that vaccine.

That was the most asinine and deadly response I have ever heard from those whom we are supposed to trust. The coronavirus, by itself, is the common cold virus. So are you telling me that none of the cold remedies did anything?

We were supposed to all just sit tight and wait for the magic cure to finally come around and not try anything else. Anything at all???? Especially when doctors were saying that they found some drug to be fairly helpful. But no. We had to wait for that magic cure that would save the world, except for all of those dead people who died before the magic cure was available.

And then when the magic cure came out we all found out it really wasn't magic or a cure. In fact, as it turns out, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are better treatments than the magic cure.

No, I was quoting you. I don't recall you ever saying you took the vaccine.

But hey, I'll play. Show me. Show me where you said you took thuh vaxx for the fake con flu whatev it's supposed to be. You took a vaccine for a disease that supposedly doesn't exist? A dutiful Trump follower? Really?

Do you want a copy of my vaccination card? I got the stupid thing and I very much regret it. I got it in April of 2021, where they were giving out free vaccinations en masse in my county in Utah. I got the Pfizer shots.

Then about a year later I got that disease, that you keep saying, doesn't exist. I, unfortunately, gave that disease that doesn't exist to my wife.

Go back and look in your profile. I'm the last person you would call a "dutiful Trump follower". I just found out that the Constitution Party actually has a candidate this year. They never informed me about him or about the primary. They picked a candidate without letting me know when the primary election happened.

I may just end up voting for him seeings that I am a member of the Constitution Party.

Why would I want to look at my profile for your comments?
Are you not aware how this site works, or sites in general?
What next, you want me to look between the cushions on my sofa to find your remote?

What are you doing with my remote?

Care to name the news media outlet that said that?
Because while I’m doubtful they did it wouldn’t be the first time they blew a report out of proportion like “wine is good for you.”. Because lowering infection rates globally and the lowering the likely hood of you being infected after being introduced to a viral load isn’t the same thing.

The ivermectin study:
Yeah I remember that “study” it was a summary of other studies based off studies mostly from South America. The summary only mentions the supposed end result with out actually giving details and even in the conclusion it says “it could possibly be used as a treatment.” Which is not definitive. In fact it doesn’t even get into details about how many patients improved compared to the control groups. Not including the fact many of those original studies were retracted because of the small sample sizes and allowance of other treatments…like the vaccine.

Ivermectin isn’t used as a cancer drug on its own it’s used in conjunction with the actual cancer drug to help the actual drug and even then I’ve already addressed the fact this summary isn’t really a study on its own doing its own research.

To its credit though it does give a pretty good summary how the virus does bind to human hosts. Parasites can be as small as microbes…it’s not just for fleas and worms…

And ivermectin was only used as antiviral according to the “study.” That is again more of a summary relying on actual bad studies.

As for the hydrox study I’ll have to read that In Full but I have a feeling that it’s gonna be one of the 4 or so I’ve seen a thousand times that’s been discredited.

The fact that the World Economic Forum had anything at all to do with Event 201 is saying something. First off, what does an "economic" forum have to do with viruses and pandemic?

Secondly, the WEF is NOT a benevolent organization. Their two big concerns are COVID-19 and Climate Change. Neither of them have anything to do with economics..... unless you look at the solutions they propose to help stop both COVID and Climate Change. And they are very, very, very well funded. They should be because they have the worlds largest investment firms marching in lockstep right along side of the WEF.

The solutions are always the same and they'll tell you on their website. Go look for yourself. The solution is the Great Reset. The collapsing of the global economy to "Build Back Better" a new economy based on global fascism. A new fascism for the 21 century. Gee... Where have I heard that phrase "Build Back Better" before?? Oh I know. It was the senile puppet they installed in the White House. It was also his campaign slogan.

And of course you cannot "Build Back" unless you first tear down. Which is exactly why everything costs so much. That is how the collapse will be performed. The free nations of the world who have sworn fealty to the WEF are all devaluing their currencies along side the US.

Why the virus? I have no clue. It could have been an accident. It could have been released to use as a tool to see how easying it was to take people's freedom away (and as it turns out, it's really no problem at all, people very easily hand over all of their freedom). Perhaps in part it was an attempt to make Trump look bad (which didn't happen).

Because I don't know if the virus got out intentionally or not I really have no idea. But if the WEF had anything at all to do with it, it was planned all along. Don't rule out the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. Bill has made no attempt to hide the fact that he is a eugenicist who wants to reduce the world's population.

Regardless the entire narrative about treatment and safety precautions were very tightly controlled. Any doctor who spoke out against it were silenced and threatened to have their practice taken away from them. Many doctors did have their practice taken away. And the media ridiculed them as quacks.
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So now that the narrative about COVID (or SARS 2, hmm that makes you think) is no longer of any concern to those in power, the truth is finally coming out.

Yeah I don’t nearly have enough time to dignify this Charlie day style rant a response.

Fine. But look up Event 201. Look up the Great Reset on the WEF's website. See for yourself, if you dare to. I'm not making stuff up. I don't follow conspiracy theories but I do follow facts.

Prove me wrong.

Post it. It's for you to prove your false assertion, not somebody else.

You never want proof. Why now?

Post it.

"Of course you can't because there's nothing of it to post."

"No links.

Post.

it."

Of course you can't because there's nothing of it to post.

"Post it."

The Great Reset
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/
https://www.weforum.org/videos/the-great-reset-726dedeacb/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/the-great-reset-this-weeks-world-vs-virus-podcast/

15 minute/smart cities
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/11/15minute-city-falls-short/
https://www.weforum.org/events/sustainable-development-impact-summit-2021/sessions/the-15-minute-city/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/08/what-is-a-smart-city/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/being-smart-about-smart-cities-a-governance-roadmap-for-digital-technologies/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/01/smart-cities-developing-nations-davos23/

Event 201
https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/tabletop-exercises/event-201-pandemic-tabletop-exercise
https://www.weforum.org/press/2019/10/live-simulation-exercise-to-prepare-public-and-private-leaders-for-pandemic-response/
https://archive.org/details/og-event201

There also used to be an www.event201.org but that seems to have been taken down.

Let me know when you have actually read all of those. Actually let me know if you even go to one of those.

Of course you're not going there. You never intended to go there. In fact your whole raison d'etre was to see if you can get me to post the links.

I posted these for anyone else who might want to look at them. Not you.

No links.

Post.

it.

"Care to name the news media outlet that said that?"

The 1 I specifically remember is: MSNBC. Rachel Maddow
I know she is not the only one but that is all I can remember now. I'm pretty sure Chris Cuomo was saying the same thing. I would be shocked if there weren't people on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC all saying the same thing.

"Yeah I remember that “study” it was a summary of other studies based off studies mostly from South America."

So what you are saying is the government lied? Did you notice that those links I sent were .gov websites?

Yes there is a ton of information out there that is on your side but pay attention to the dates. None of the truth from the government, CDC, and others didn't start coming out until this year. Everything prior to that was part of the propaganda campaign.

Since 2014 China and people from the US have been working in gain-of-function research on what would happen if the coronavirus and a virus discovered in a specific bat were to mutate together. Something that most likely would have never happened in nature. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt because the gain-of-function research has good intentions. The idea that if they can create the new virus they can also create the vaccine to eliminate it so that they will be prepared in the event those viruses do come along one day.

At some point Obama decided to shut down this program but somehow Dr. Anthony Fauci found a way to keep it going with taxpayer dollars behind Obama's back.

Very coincidentally in Oct of 2019, Johns Hopkins University, the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation put together a meeting called Event 201. It about was what to do in the event of a global pandemic, coincidentally involving a mutated coronavirus. Now mind you the coronavirus by itself is just the common cold. It is not a dangerous threat by itself.

And "coincidentally" a 2 months later a magic coronavirus just so happened to escape the Wuhan lab. Huh? Wow! What a coincidence?

Look I don't know if it was intentional or not but I am leaning heavily on intentional because Big Pharma was set to make trillions of dollars worldwide rushing out a cure. A cure that supposedly had already been created because gain-of-function research develops the cure along with the pathogen. That is what it is about.

K well I don’t watch those people so I can tell you no they probably like many misunderstood that lowering infection rates doesn’t mean it lowers your personal rate of infection. Scientists meant that it would lower infection rates because people would recover quicker and transmit the virus less lowering the risk of infecting others not to mention lower rate of mutations.

No im not saying the government lied. You do realize .gov sites may be funded and maintained by the government doesn’t mean that the content on it is straight from the government right? And that bad studies do exist? Specifically this is a flawed omnibus as its original sources have either been discredited with new research or retracted by their authors for flawed methodology like allowing vaccinated patients to participate and not separating them into their own groups.

For instance the omnibus suggested that higher doses could be used as prophylactic and treatment but when increased to that higher dose it lead to no increase in resistance and even death of some of the patients when combined with Hydroxychloriquine.

Again I’m not going to address the Charlie day rants about this all being planned by the Clinton’s/bill gates or whatever I’ll get back to you when I finish reading the hydroxy study.

In case you didn't notice, he tends to take a bit of creative license with the reality.

Of course those people never said that, they weren't in the position to do so, and this was before the efficacy rate was known. Fact is from the beginning it was said that protection wouldn't be 100%. Everybody knows that flu vaccines are no guarantee, for example, and that people often get flu-like symptoms after receiving them.

No, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo, and others never said that. You're just making stuff up.

"Perhaps it's time for another source to tell you what to quote."

My wife

Um, no.

You should trying to live in the real world. It's not as bad as you think

Rush Limbaugh has been dead several years

Perhaps it's time for another source to tell you what to quote.

Okay finally finished that hydrox study and once again this is not an actual study but a summary of results from multiple studies or an omnibus if you will. BUT to its credit it’s actually reported the results of the studies it compiled even with negative outcomes.

And without getting into too much detail because the writer had some bias show…overall the “study” is not saying that hydroxy is a cure or an effective treatment on its own it only lowers risk for intensive care when given to at risk patients early. It’s advocating for use in a niche scenario where it’s caught early and given to someone with comorbitidies that could put them intensive care and during a time when resources were nearly at the breaking point. And the vaccines hadn’t been fully rolled out yet.

And even then the positive studies as stated only showed a marginal positive outcome of roughly 2%. (Which back then the medical community was desperate for any advantage against the virus.)

I’m getting into speculation now but given the writers’ clear stances in the study my best guess they would still support this niche treatment but not put above the vaccine.
And checking their names for more recent works it seems after the vaccine rolled out they have not put out an updated study related to hydroxy since and have gone back to orthopedic research such as using stem cells to treat arthritis and ligament harvesting.

In fact I remember Valocyclovir (common anti viral drug for herpes type 2 and other viruses. I even use the medication myself for an ailment I have.) also being used and having better results as there was a massive shortage until only about a year ago. Even if you could get a hold of it the price nearly quintupled for a months supply.

(Side note above both studies the NLM has a disclaimer even stating that they only catalogue studies they don’t endorse them or their treatments.)

That's pretty much all I was saying. Hydroxychloroquine needed to be taken with two other drugs that I can't remember the names of. By itself it was it helped but not nearly as well as with those other drugs.

At no time did anyone call it a cure. It didn't work for everyone. But it could have saved lives had the left not been such Nazis about it. There were clinics that flat out refused to give hydroxychloroquine and the others. Lots on clinics refused because of the Nazis in charge didn't care about actual results.

It was more than 2%. It was much more. If they were desperate for any advantage then why did they come down so hard on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin? Both drugs are considered harmless. Even if it only helped 2% then what was the big deal about letting people take either treatments. Neither made anyone worse off.

You know that even sometimes a placebo can cure people because they believed in it so strongly that their bodies responded in place of the placebo. It's rare but it happens.

Dr Stephanie Gold came out strongly for the use of hydroxychloroquine and she lost her practice. She started an organization of several other doctors who had patients who were positively effected by the hydroxychloroquine treatments.

They all reported that they saw improvements between 60 to 75%. Why was it banned!?!? Why were doctors being shut out for using it?

What was the purpose behind it?

Democrats lied and people died. There's just no way around that.

Andrew Cuomo was the worst monster of them all when he sent COVID patients to assisted living facilities. Did he just want to wipe out the elderly in his state. Everyone knew full well long before he did that that the elderly were hardest hit by the virus. Then on the news he had the nerve to call it a European virus. Because stating the origin of the virus was somehow racist against Chinese. Bull crap!!!

You talk as if you're spouting facts yet can't remember the names of the two other drugs you cite needed to make the horse dewormer work,,,

Sorry caught a 24 hour time for insulting…rush limbaugh… apparently…

No that’s not what you’ve been advocating for. You’ve been saying that hydrox was just as viable in place of the vaccine in which it’s just not. According to their own research it had to be administered at a specific time unlike a vaccine which is just passively doing it all the time. Even other drugs were far more effective such as regeneron and valacyclovir.

I feel like maybe I got too detailed so I’m going to simplify this as much as I can. (Not an insult by the way.)

These 2 orthopedic (foot) doctors wrote an omnibus summary that said it could be used in niche VERY niche situations when not many options were available and while many studies showed a positive benefit it was well within the margin error of about 2% however as time went on these 2 doctors dropped further studies into after the vaccine rollout. Mainly because the vaccine made such research absolutely unnecessary because it outperformed any possible benefit by leaps and bounds more for the same function.

To the whole leftists nazis killed them…uh do you know what hydroxy is used for?
Malaria and chronic autoimmune disorders… and those we KNOW will work against those illnesses for sure saving their lives. Meanwhile we had access to other drugs that wouldn’t lead to more deaths then save such as valacylcovir. (Yes some people would have some more sores/outbreaks of genital herpes for a while but they won’t die.)

And as far as the placebo effect argument..you know what also makes a great placebo…actual placebos like a saline drip instead of a drug that can guarantee save lives with other illnesses.

I’m sorry but you are just wrong in this front and using outdated research one of which has been widely discredited and the other while well meaning was made redundant by both live vaccines and mRNA vaccines so much so further research was just dropped.

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^ That's his most recent featured meme. And it's not the first anti-Fauchi, anti-CDC, anti-vaxx, anti-Covid-is-real, anti-etc meme he's posted.

He's so adamantly against the reality of what he claims is a fake disease yet he recalls he took a vaccine for it?

Plus he took it when? When will the mutation set in? What's the lifespan, 2 years, or is it 5 now that the millions of Americans who took thuh vaxx didn't exactly quite die just yet?

Of course horse dewormer works... as a placebo. After all, it's premised on the notion of a disease that supposed to not be real to begin with. That's the beauty of it. Zinc works, Vitamin C works, UV lights, urine (one of these 'doctors' literally was actually prescribing that as a treatment), even ear wax removal drops work, because the disease isn't supposed to exist to begin with.

His posts are not of supposed facts or flawed conclusions, but rather of rather overtly reversed bogus propaganda.

"Sorry caught a 24 hour time for insulting…rush limbaugh… apparently…"

Really? I thought it was okay to disparage conservatives on ImgFlip.

"You’ve been saying that hydrox was just as viable in place of the vaccine in which it’s just not."

I'm not a doctor. I don't have any medical expertise. There is absolutely no way I can verify what anyone says about anything when it comes to clinical trials and testing. All I know is what I hear from other people. I don't mean, like, my next door neighbor or something but from people I have seen videos of fighting to try to help those with COVID and getting shut down all over the place.

If several doctors have come together to corroborate Dr. Stephanie Gold's findings then who am I to say she is wrong.

If people are getting sick and dying then what harm is it in giving any harmless medicine to try to abate COVID.

Dr Gold, et. al. said they saw about a 75% success rate with their treatments but were shut down and told to wait for the vaccine. Why? What was the reason?

That is exactly what I have been advocating for. When sources with power turn totalitarian in their attempt to "save" people, I get very very leery of them.

I thought you listened to facts not anecdotes.

I’ve had to listen to both scientists and doctors in briefings reading studies like these to help better fight COVID. (Comes with the territory of working in a clean room.)

Again I already said WHY it was a bad idea to take a drug away from people that FOR SURE GUARANTEED would save lives from things like malaria on a Hail Mary that even research at that time MAYBE had benefits that didn’t even outpace the margin or error. Especially when we had better alternatives that WOULDNT leave people to die that we KNEW needed it to survive.

You can either take drugs and give them to people who May again only have 2% likelyhood of increased survival or give them to people whose survival goes up by 90% or treat chronic auto immune disorders (that also can kill btw.)
Or roll the dice on a drug that has higher chances while sacrificing virtually no one.

Triage 101 would dictate to go with the former not the latter to maximize lives saved.

Your “facts” arnt facts they are flawed conclusions from one bad study and one other rendered useless and in time proven so fruitless the foot doctors who published moved on too.

You keep name dropping Stephanie gold yet none of those studies you gave were published by her.
Cite one of her works or stop and do some self reflection.

You were lied to but in this case it wasn’t by some global mass conspiracy it was yourself.

"I thought you listened to facts not anecdotes."

Anecdotes??? If someone came up to me when I was dying of something and said if I hopped on one foot for an hour on Wednesday and then showed me other people who did the same thing and were healed, guess what I would be doing the next Wednesday?

This wasn't a ridiculous claim to say that a treatment that contained hydroxychloroquine and a couple of other drugs.

"uh do you know what hydroxy is used for?"

My sister takes it for her arthritis. Her doctor proscribed it to her. And she hasn't had COVID ever.

"I’m sorry but you are just wrong in this front and using outdated research one of which has been widely discredited"

Outdated? So are you saying that it worked for a while and then it no longer worked?

All of the major medical agencies were telling people not to take those drugs and then more recently they said that those same drugs might have helped?? Who's outdated here?

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Your very latest meme is yet another in a series decrying Fauci, the CDC, the reality of COVID-19, and yes, of course, vaccines and other precautions to help prevent it.

They lied about alternatives to their killer vaxx... WHY? Because it was issued on an emergency declaration... that could not have happened if there were other alternatives... Big Pharma paid Huge Bucks to protect it... even though they knew it had bad side effects and did not prevent covid...

Yup... they turned nursing homes into death camps...

Cuomo should be in prison for that. What kind of an idiot send COVID patients to nursing homes to recover? Cuomo murdered those elderly people.