If you get mad at this, you are no better than the "snowflakes" you laugh at.

Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor

I’ll agree to the former but not the latter.

We need to take our nation back from corporations and neo cons.

And Democrats…don’t forget those pesky boogers

True give me more progressives instead of DiNos like pelosi and manchin.

Imagine what we could do with hundreds of bernie sander style progressives.

Bernie Sanders is an Open Communist.

Democratic socialist* not communist.

right?
why, you could destroy America

That or eliminate medical debt like the governors in blue states pushing to purchase and cancel medical debts for Pennies on the dollar. https://i.imgflip.com/8nc9ux.jpg

Oh , just stop, already.
You don’t know what you are yammering on about at all

I’m sure no one going to be mad at your statement. It is just dumb thinking.

America could be a lot better with Trump. The Democrats have screwed things around resulting in this mess.

Nagasaki, Okinawa.

Okinawa? You mean the Battle of Okinawa? Also if not for the Nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki the United States would have had to Invade Japan, resulting in the deaths of millions more Japanese and Americans.

Yes sorry Nagasaki.

My mistake.
Brain fart had an ex from Okinawa.

Got it, I was hella confused when you said Okinawa.

I wish that we had one more of those bombs… for Tokyo.
They started that nasty war and deserved everything we threw at them.

…ah yes nuking civilians.
That’ll disprove the ops point about how America is a terrorist state. 🙄

Also collective punishment is in fact a war crime.

Congratulations you just advocated for our nation to commit war crimes….okay well more war crimes.

The Japanese butchered and raped several hundreds of thousands of civilians.
You know absolutely nothing about what you are blathering on about.
Nothing
Zero
Zilch
Nada

Given my wife is Chinese…i actually do know about the war crimes committed by Japan to other nations that and i actually studied history of the military dictatorship of Japan.

It still does not excuse us nuking civilian population centers “to end the war and save lives.”

It sure didn't stop Japan from attacking, killing, and raping civilians in civilian centers en masse.
Heck, their medical experiments and other atrocities carried out on prisoners would make the Nazis blush with envy.

They invaded, they attacked, they were warned, they were bombed, they kept on, they got bombed again, and when it sunkin that they finally might get exactly what they've been asking for decades before WWII officially started, then they quit. Their military was disposable to them, for crying out loud, they used planes made with wood parts, and they used those planes - and their pilots - as missiles.

Wow. Twice, in as many days, I am in total agreement with you.

I have my moments.

I’m not saying they didn’t do that. I’m just saying if we are supposed to be the moral center of the world bombing civilians isn’t the way.

We even had rules against intentionally bombing civilian targets in nazi germany.
Same for the Brit’s armored columns.

An one atrocious act does not justify another.

You have a point there. What we did to the city of Dresden, Japan, we wouldn't have done to the Germans. Oh, wait, we did.

Over 1,000 bombers, 4 raids, 3 days, nearly 2,700 tons of bombs heated the surface to 1500°F, creating tornadoes. I don't know, maybe it was their porcelain figurine manufacturing center that posed some sort of military threat?

We were not supposed to be the moral center of the world. Heck, if it wasn't for our segregation, racist immigration policies, and OUR eugenics program, there wouldn't have been a Hitler. He would have been just another unknown busted-ass failed artist in Berlin. America INSPIRED him.

On second thought, maybe that did make us the moral center of the world. Can you name any other place that wasn't racist?

The Japanese are still racist to this very day. Not to be Americans that could have turned the country into the biggest lump of glass on the planet - they worship us - but to the Koreans, the Chinese, Indonesians, Indochinese, Filipinos, Micronesians,, the Polynesians, and anybody else with the slightest touch of Asiatic blood they could rape and murder away. To this day. Even against Japanese minorities like Okinawans and the Ainu - the original inhabitants of the Japanese isles. Japan had carried out an active campaign to wipe out any traces of their culture till fairly recently.

Japan is in crisis, the population is shrinking. They're running out of people just to take care of the elderly, never mind keep the limping economy going (remember when THEY were the country with the #2 economy about to surpass us and become #1?). And yet they don't want to let in immigrants from their Asian neighbors because they're racist against them. Now, TODAY.

We weren't supposed to be moral center, we didn't want fhuckshit to do with any theater of the war, and wouldn't have if it wasn't for FDR letting Pearl harbor get bombed to force us into getting involved.

Yet Japan bombed us. Sneak attack. So they got bombed back, they should be thankful that we didn't follow their rules and wipe them out. In fact, we turned them into the 2nd richest country on the planet (till we handed that crown to China). We won. That was our territory to do with as we wished. Nagasaki? Hiroshima? They're lucky we didn't wipe the rest out. Which is exactly what they would have done to us if they beat us to the bomb, which both the military and the government had separate programs developing. How would they apply their moral code to that?

Yes it does

Then why did we have rules of engagement that stated to avoid bombing civilian targets and never do so intentionally against German targets.

Even the British armor columns had such rules.

This was back in 1945, not now in 2024.
It was total war.
You clearly have zero real knowledge on the subject, whereas I have spent the majority of my life studying the subject.

Citing a historical source proving my point isn’t “click and paste.” Now when yall post a Twitter status from catturd as fact that’s click and paste.

As for the latter we don’t get to dictate how our enemies conduct themselves. We can dictate how we do.

After all did the citizens pretending to be nazis deserve to be bombed after they hid their neighbors from the gestapo?
Certainly not intentionally. Much like family hid their neighbors until they were thrown into the camps.

After all wouldn’t that make terrorists who bomb American civilians justified then if we target civilians then they target ours in turn. An eye for an eye? No.

Would that not justify native Americans targeting us for vengeance? No.
(Though if you ask the actual nazi right wing they’d love too.)

The only way to win a war is by outkilling the enemy, and that by the degree that they're willing to endure. If the war involves a country that values martyrdom and values the individual only as far as they can go to serve their country, you're going to have to kill a lot more of them to achieve that goal.

I don’t Twitter
Tit for tat…if they drop bombs on my countries citizens you can bet your ass we should do the same, exponentially.
THAT is how you win wars.
They didn’t pretend. Only a very few “hid their neighbors”.
The rest of your bullshit is just that…bullshit.

“In the 1930s, both the United States and Britain refrained from targeting civilians in wartime bombings regarding such actions as savage and ruthless. Indeed, before the war began, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain made a parliamentary speech declaring that it was “against international law to bomb civilians as such and to make deliberate attacks on the civilian population.” The American State Department made a similar statement in 1937 condemning the Japanese bombing of Chinese cities, “Any general bombing of an extensive area wherein there resides a large population engaged in peaceful pursuits is unwarranted and contrary to the principles of law and humanity.” President Franklin Roosevelt spoke to the issue as well calling civilian bombing “inhuman barbarism.”

But the onset of World War II began the transition away from these earlier beliefs. The movement was first initiated by Winston Churchill and the British government in response to Germany’s dropping of bombs on London. It was at this point when Churchill articulated the need for an “absolutely devastating exterminating attack by very heavy bombers from this country upon the Nazi homeland.” Also pushing Britain toward this change in policy was the fact that military officials began to realize that the bombs being dropped from aircrafts were not accurate enough to destroy specific targets.”

https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/ww2/projects/firebombing/targeting-civilians.htm

Then you did a poor job studying. Because those rules were only abandoned because the targeting instruments were not accurate enough to prevent hitting the civilians living near military targets and Churchill being Churchill.

We weren’t at war in the 30’s.
Hell, we barely had an army.
As for the bombings of civilians, the aggressors (Japan, Germany) make the rules by their actions…and the Japanese and the Germans dictated that civilians must die.
Nice job of click and paste…you substantiated my contention.

Rules of engagement? Preferring to refrain from doing something is not a rule of engagement, especially when we went ahead and did it anyways.

War has plenty of rules engagement, the the primary one being don't engage in war at all in the first place.

WAIT, WHAT? THE BRITISH? Didn't they starve half of Iran - 8-10 million people - during WWI just so they could cart their food away and keep their British arses plump? How many do they kill in India till it got its independence from them in 1947?
The British empire killed more people than any other country in history on Earth. How many millions, nay, hundreds of millions died in Asia just so the Brits can get spices that they didn't even bother using on their own lousy bland food? I guess they just sold it to Portugal and Spain or something. Or actually sold them back to the Asians, for that matter, Britain having a mercantile economy at the time. There was a famine in Bengal caused by a salt tax. The Irish weren't even allowed to catch salmon that filled their streams or kill their own cows for food during the Irish Famine. Their cows were reserved for their English overlords, under penalty of death.

This is a country that invaded China and started a war to force it to allow the Brits to sell heroin to Chinese citizens. Let that sink in.

At one point, the East India Company, an English company separate from the government, had the largest army in the world. And you can believe they used it.
Three centuries of exploitation, massacres, famine, etc, under their belt, and you think they suddenly developed a moral code in WW II wild holding a quarter of the planet under their thumb?

Almost forgot, the source of that except (which is already highlighted when I looked at it) was:

https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/air-war-germany-map/

My Guy, do you not know what the Japanese military did or are you just glossing over the War Crimes of the Japanese because “AmErIcA bAd”

Oh for the love of f**king Christ…

I AM NOT SAYING THE JAPANESE MILITARY WAS INNOCENT ANYWHERE IN THESE THREADS.

I am saying our bombing of civilians is not justified regardless of their war crimes. One war crime doesn’t justify another.

Especially when we had rules of engagement about not bombing German civilians in the European campaigns.

Yes
It
Was

No it wasn’t.
War crimes are war crimes.
And while I can’t control Japan. Have a say in how my nation conducts itself.

You weren’t alive back then… you had zero say in anything that transpired.

Correct but I can have a say now and not deny what we did and condemn our evils.

Without the bombs both sides would lose millions. Have you seen the estimated amount of deaths that could have happen if the US did invade mainland Japan. Plus nuclear bombs have only been used on another nation once. It was a much better but still terrible option. I would rather have to lose 200,000 people than 2.6 million people, still both horrible numbers but a lot less than an invasion.

Why nuke the population centers why not military targets.

They were military targets.

No they weren’t the Arsenal was the original target but weather forced them to cancel and they switched to Nagasaki because it was a seaport. Civilians be damned.

You could argue they didn’t know fully about the radiations effects on people but they knew they were nuking civilians and the strength of the bombs themselves.

Yes they were bombing civilians, but it was a lot better option then invading main land Japan where the death toll would be higher than the entire pacific theater

Japan only hurt themselves after Pearl Harbor

They attacked a military asset and massacred our navy.

We massacred and poisoned their people.

One is a military action that was horrific.
The other was a crime against humanity.

Both did bad things to each other

Yeah accept targeting a military is declaring war. Targeting civilians is a war CRIME.

Don’t both sides this. One was significantly more egregious than the other.

Now had they nuked the arsenal as planned I’d be hesitant to declare it a war crime outright.

I remember having to do a presentation on fat man and little boy. Seeing the photos of the towns destroyed and people starving and poisoned. For generations to come.

I’d even remembered being told that the photos of mutated children born from the fallout were too gruesome and presented them anyway. because it was wrong how our textbooks swept it under the rug as nations fighting nations when it was one of modern Americas most egregious sins.

Japan's war crimes were pretty brutal though. I don't support the USA in this much, but I don't support Japan either

I didn’t say I supported Japan.
And those war crimes were committed by the Japanese military. Not civilians who remained on the island and certainly not the generations after.

I know you don't support them, I'm just saying I'm against both sides here. The civilians were innocent, and that's why the nukes should've went on an actual military target.

Oh sorry mea culpa I wasn’t getting that from your responses.

Japan flicked the balls of America. So then we wanted revenge but we wanted to limit the amount of lives lost possible

I know