What a track record...

Just replace "Putin" with "Bush," "Ukraine" with "Iraq," and "Special Military Operation" with "Operation Desert Storm."

You accuse Russia of being this brutal war-loving country, yet forget that you support the worst one of all. The USA has caused more wars in the recent era than any other country, and they manage to get away with it. And the CIA are basically a fascist terrorist organisation that pretends to be peaceful and democratic.

Now for the reasons to why those things you talked about happened:

The Chechen Wars were caused by a breakaway region in Russia that was using violence.

The Russo-Georgian War happened because Georgia used violence on territories inhabited by ethnic Russians.

Russia is helping Assad in the Syrian Civil War because his pro-western brainwashed citizens are fighting against him.

Navalny was killed by secret Ukrainian, CIA, and NATO agents while in prison.

The Wagner Group had a mutiny for a short amount of time, but went to Putin's side after just a few days.

The Moscow Theater Hostages were taken by Islamic Chechen terrorists during the 2nd Chechen War.

Crimea voted overwhelmingly to join Russia, and has many ethnic Russians living in it.

Russia entered the Ukrainian Civil War because they were trying to exterminate the ethnic Russian population of Donetsk and Luhansk. The Russians came to help them and to free them from Zelensky's Nazi regime.

If you read anti-Russian news, all you're going to hear is that the West is innocent, and that Russia is guilty for everything. But for a fact, the West has much more corruption and evil, and are the true guilty ones. So if you want to be intelligent and actually know what is going on, read news from completely unbiased sources because they will give the true state for both sides. However, it is unfortunate that pro-western propagandists are trying to destroy all that does not favor them. That is only what fascists do when trying to save their crumbling regime from complete disaster.

All these people wanting independence from Russia's yoke, can't figure out why.

Chechens wanted independence even back then? How horrible of them.
Perhaps Russia can empty out the country and relocate them again? Gotta admit, literally uprooting a country's entire population was one heck of a historical moment. Ah, the good old days.

Georgia attacked Russians? Oh, that's right, Ossetians are Russians since Russia stole that land from Iran, of which Ossetians no longer are, only speaking the language and mimicking their look just for the larfs?

Russia invading Georgia for the same reason it invaded Ukraine - because both are really mean countries and it had nothing to do with that NATO carrot that was wiggled in the face of both of them?

Russia does not have a defense pack with Syria's Assad, the last place in the Middle East it has a foothold in, which was a quite a bit wider back in the USSR days?

Navalny was killed by Ukraine, America, Western Europe, and let's not forget Palau? And that because Russian prisons are just hopping with everybody but Russian authorities?

Crimea voted overwhelmingly enjoying Russia as opposed to joining Russia maybe next Tuesday instead?

It's a good thing that Putin came to the rescue then, innit?

This is the History_Memes stream - not the Revisionist NATO Apologias stream. Could your PolToo pal not handle a 15 year old? Is there some reason you needed to show up and pile-on with the Sealioning? It feels to me that you're HARASSING this kid - and lying to do so. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

I won't relink the stuff about Al Qaeda Jihadists in Chechnya. You don't read anything, anyway - if you wanted to, it's already here on this page. The rest of what you wrote is just more of your typical fiction.

The Georgians attacked RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS in Ossetia. Then they got 'tuned-up'. Whoops.

What about the aspirations of Ossetians and Ethnic Russians in the DPR and LPR, yearning to breathe free? Don't they get self-determination? Or is that only for NATO flunkies in Western Ukraine and Kosovo?

Russia has a Mediterranean Naval Base Tartarus and a strategic partnership with the lawful Government of Syria. Obama and Biden are the illegal occupiers, there - stealing the oil. At least Trump was honest about that.

You need to ask Kyril Budanov, the CIA "trained" Ukrainian Intelligence Chief why HE SAID that Navalny died of a blood clot in his brain. How would he know? And it's odd that he agreed with the report from the Russian examination, dontcha think? What we know for sure, is that the entire NATO Empire had concluded it was Putin in the Study, with the lead pipe - before the body was even cold. In CLUE, that's a losing hand.

And YES...Crimea voted to REJOIN Russia - correcting Kruschev's generous error, using their property. Barring the roughly 40 or 50 years of that technical transfer, under the Soviets (a distinction without a difference) Crimea has belonged to Russia since Peter or Katherine the Great. They've held their strategic Naval Base there, since before the uSA became "Independent". In the early 90's Crimea became an autonomous region, with their own Radha, though technically inside Ukraine. When the Coup occured in 2014 they saw the crew of Nazi hooligans who'd just killed 50 people in Odessa (with police and military assistance) coming their way... And they pulled up the draw bridge. And yes - their Radha, the only lawfully constituted body in the Ukraine at the time, voted overwhelmingly to begin the process, that was completed by a 90%+ popular referendum. If that wasn't lawful - then give Kosovo back to Serbia.

If you think Russia is going to turn over Sebastopol to become a NATO naval base...well Cuba OWNS Gitmo.

lol real like its not that deep

I don't quite get where you were going with this comment... When I do, you can haz upvotz, assuming that it is what my uncertain read would indicate.

I was agreeing with what you said to russian_imperialist8

Ok. Then you can haz upvotez!

Caucasia? Whoever heard of the place before the Russian Empire came along to rescue those countries from themselves? And Russia helped them so much by introducing them to the wonders of samovars for making tea. The world owes them so much.

Caucasia was part of the Ottomans before Peter the Great conquered them and took them for the Russian Empire. And if you remember, the Turks were conducting several genocides in this region against the Armenians, Georgians, and other ethnic groups.

I was unironically agreeing with you through the most driest sense of satire.

You've read my reply to anotherworldview. You're repeating nearly the same stuff he/she/they are. Not gonna bother repeating myself here.

You're blind to the facts and willfully ignorant - but not just that. You're also apparently going to ignore the key point this young man (I think), makes here...that the US Government and NATO (for whom you're transparently $hilling) are in NO POSITION to accuse others of violating "Ethical Standards" - after illegally invading and/or attacking at least a half dozen countries in the past two decades alone... We don't even have to go back to the miserable record of lawless attacks against Nicaragua, Grenada, Cuba, Lebanon, etc.. I suppose it's easier to make hand waving arguments, than the sophistry you attempt below, in what's essentially another couple of non-responses, to my well-documented anf broadly sourced debunking of the premise of this ahistorical "history" meme - which reads like another missive from the Genocide complicit Dark Brandon State Department, or the $hillary Clinton-owned DNCIA.

Because "these freedom fighters" means that Russia should also have a license to use Chechens, Georgians, Ossetians, and, well, everyone all the way to Tula and beyond for target practice?

This kid wants to have his cake and eat it too.

Cherry picking? Or Cherry Harvest season? How many links, provided by me have you ignored... and how many have you offered me the opportunity to dissect and deconstruct, attacking not just the individual arguments but their central theses - as I would love to do.

One more time - EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY...
Here's a neutral assessment by a SWISS Intelligence Officer, who was there. https://thewallwillfall.org/2022/04/17/retired-swiss-intelligence-officer-explains-ukraine/

You pick enough cherries, of course you'll get pie. If every discussion you have is an opportunity to cherry pick, then you've got a "harvesting season" where you use this as the default method of discussion.

Let's get something straight first. I hear you're throwing some serious shade at the U.S. and NATO, saying I'm just cheering them on without looking at the facts. But hold on, this isn't about pointing fingers at America or anyone else's past actions right now. Granted, what you say is true, and you seem to think I endorsed America's actions. I haven't. What you're doing is just throwing a red herring to ignore the subject at hand. What we're really focusing on here is what's happening at this moment - Russia's actions in invading another country, Ukraine. That's the big issue on the table.

Now, about those accusations and history lessons you're giving, I totally get that no country's hands are completely clean when it comes to international politics. But bringing up what America did or didn't do doesn't change what's happening right now in Ukraine. It's like if someone got caught stealing and then said, "But what about that other person who stole two weeks ago?" It doesn't make the current situation okay.

So, instead of getting lost in who did what in the past, let's stick to the facts in front of us. When we talk about facts, I mean the real, hard evidence, not just feelings or opinions about what we think might be happening. Let's see the objective information that shows what's going on without the fluff or the blame game. What do you say? Because these backflips in uninformed thinking you're expressing are getting tiresome. Starting to think that this site has only teenagers.

You're out of your element Donny.

You really shouldn't talk down to people, who understand these subjects better than you do.

I just wasted 30 minutes typing a more thoughtful response than you deserved, to your inane propaganda masterpiece...and then lost it when trying to upload this meme crashed the memory. I'm not going to keep spending my time trying teach the willfully ignorant, when they don't pass the quizzes from the previous lessons. Your thief analogy, is insultingly dumb. The US is John Gotti - calling the cops on a legitimate businessman who's done literally nothing wrong.

Remember "Responsibility2Protect"? It's the dishonest excuse that we gave, to murder Qaddafi, and destroy the most successful nation in Africa - only to replace it with dueling Jihadists and open Slave Markets. Well that's why Russia has no fear of the ICJ or the ICC. They had every right to protect civilians being murdered deliberately, in a Genocidal Civil War, right on their border. They were a guarantor - along with France and Germany, to the Minsk Accords, that Ukraine signed, but never even tried to live up to.

Before you say another word about Ukraine, or Russia - go ahead get every last American Soldier out of Syria, where they're STILL illegally occupying the Oilfields, and stealing the oil. Maybe quit assisting GENOCIDE in Gaza, before you criticize an actual military engagement, by Russia, that's killed less civilians in 2 years, than the Zionist Entity had in the first two months. This isn't "what-aboutism" - these are the reasons why you're impeached and are the parties actually deserving indictment... Yes, I'm including you - you're the Albert Speer of the Brandon Reich.

Nice. Comparing me to a Nazi when we're having a simple discussion.

Maybe you should go calm down before speaking in this conversation while triggered.

I understand facts can be frustrating when faced with them. As an American, let me tell you, I know US is f**ked up and I don't like it. But the mental gymnastics you are pulling to deflect blame on others would at least make it to the Olympics were it a competition.

Good day.

Perhaps that was too harsh. I apologize if that was a micro-aggression I compared America's war propaganda strategy - to the OPERATION PAPERCLIP folks, who brought it to them, when they emigrated. And then I associated you - with folks that you (and the guy you brought over here, as back-up apparently) never seem to tire of defending, and acting on behalf of, in the Information Warfare space... In the Universe of "Full Spectrum Dominance", I don't feel like you should underestimate your role, however. If you don't like what your nation has become - just STAHP already, with helping it continue on its present course.

You know I don't despise ALL big D Democrats... I'm on very good terms with Jodie Evans (CodePink), for instance. We work together for PEACE, and against this Forever war that relocated headquarters, from PNAC to CNAS, early in Obama's first term. I saw her recently at protest against a Ted Lieu fund raiser in Venice. Dude has major blood on his hands.

Think of what Hero/Martyr Aaron Bushnell saud before his tragic act of self-sacrifice... 'If you want to know what you would have done during slavery, or [the Nazi Genocide in Europe and Eurasia] - you're doing it, RIGHT NOW'.

I always hope-, and leave room for- conversion... But your Orwellian inversion of "facts" in this post, don't seem like it's really in the offing.

Did Russia REALLY massacre all of the people found dead in Bucha - many wearing white arm bands? Or did Ukrainian SBU 'Safari Teams' and 'the Botsman Boys' Nazi militias do that, as a well-known, brave and honest, former UN Weapons inspector, and Retired US Marine Corps Intelligence Officer concluded - after actually bothering to look at the available evidence, and then comparing the two opposing stories being told?

I understand why you might be hurt from my last comment - and for that I actually am sorry... But these are matters of life and death. The truth is essential in the effort to save all of our lives from a potentially devastating and disastrous confrontation between Nuclear powers - one of which has been steadily advancing towards the other (since the 90's), and the other of which has begun to hit back - albeit in a very restrained and lawful manner... If you lay down witb dogs - YOU get fleas.

I've yet to see any (credible) evidence of Russia attacking civilians in Ukraine. Quite the opposite, in fact. I see them doing a great job in avoiding civilian casualties, caring4 civilians and captured fighters.

Hardly hurt, just disappointed that now the history memes channel is polluted with politics that Russian imperialist 8 started, also in the fact that you can't reply without the use of AI hominem, giving credence to the notion you're perpetual triggered. I'm done with these conversations.

Your double think and revisionist history lessons are noted and did shine light on the Russian propaganda war machine. If Ukraine invaded Russia I'd laugh first then back up Russia.

You say Russia has been working to fix the lives of kids and families and civilians there. Well if that's true then how many children has Russia saved that you can't answer that number. Let alone explain how Russia has saved them, though, I would be impressed that you could even answer the second part of that question.

As for Russia saving Children... That's EASY. They helped evacuate children from the Donbass front lines, to music and youth camps in the Russian interior, with the permission of their parents (wherever possible), and the kids' enthusiastic concurrence... And for that good deed - the Russian Leader and the woman in charge of the program were falsely charged by the corrupt ICC, based solely on Kiev's allegations of "kidnapping" and "anti-Ukrainianization". But these kids speak Russian, meaning the Banderites target them for random slaughter (firing on schools, and private homes and markets, commonly - sometimes with banned "petal mines" and cluster bombs). Jeremy Loffredo of the Grayzone did a report, by going to the camps.

By contrast there's still hundreds of children missing from the Donbass, taken by the Azov State and disappeared into the West somewhere - perhaps exploited or killed for Ukraine's flourishing black market organ trade, post-2014 coup. The ICC says no more about that than they do about the Genocide in Gaza, half of whose population is under 18.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NDS1OSEIoz8

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/03/31/iccs-putin-arrest-state-dept-report/

You know what I have not heard you say throughout this entire conversation? You've never once admitted a fault of Russia.

Draw 25.

Ok... So just more war propaganda and a refusal to deal reality, no matter what evidence is presented.

As for politics - history is inherently political - but not half a political as the deliberate repetition of war-for-Empire propaganda. I could see how this meme fits on a Rachel Maddow fans' anti-Russian propaganda stream, or PolToo, were that not totally redundant to say... But it seems detached from the perspective of truthful history and analysis... Oh well, these are what we call teachable moments - hopefully they'll reach someone receptive to accurate history at some point.

Wow man.

When someone says "Ukraine has always been part of Russia," they're missing a big piece of the puzzle. Historians are like detectives who dig through old letters, maps, artifacts, and stories to find out what really happened. Their research clearly shows Ukraine and Russia have their own unique stories. Sure, there were times when their histories crossed paths, like during the era of the Kyivan Rus', but saying they've always been one and the same isn't right according to the facts.

Now, when it comes to history and politics mixing, some people think history is just about political arguments. But historians work hard to get past those arguments to the real story. They look at all the evidence and try to tell us what actually happened, not just what one side or the other wants us to believe. This is about sticking to the facts, even when they don't fit neatly into today's political debates or social media posts.

The idea that understanding history is just about picking a side misses the point. Historians use careful research to challenge simple stories and reveal the complex truth. When people use history to support their own views without considering all the evidence, they're not really understanding history. True history digs deeper than that.

So, when we talk about history, it's not enough to repeat catchy lines or follow what one group says. Understanding the past takes hard work and an open mind. Saying that getting to the real story of history is just about politics underestimates how much effort historians put into uncovering the truth. This effort is what turns "teachable moments" into real learning opportunities, not just for understanding history but for appreciating how serious research is done. Ignoring the depth and seriousness of this work is where the real oversight lies, not in the study of history itself.

Your partisanship is evident in your own words by cherry-picking history to suit your fascist agenda in annexing Ukraine and claiming it as some sort of Sovereign Right, when it isn't.

Russia is taking back areas of THE Ukraine (meaning borderlands between Russia and Europe), after the people in those places voted overwhelmingly and repeatedly, and asked for several years to be rescued from the ACTUAL fascists - followers of Nazis like Bandera and Shukevich, Stetsko, Petliura, et al. And no Ukraine in its modern form never existed prior to the USSR. The West was part of Austria-Hungary, the Polish-Lithuanian (fascist) Commonwealth, etc.. Of course early iterations of Ukrainian nationalism had put Russians into Concentration (death) Camps, in the Southwest of the region (Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk), in the era around WWI, because these were areas that weren't part of Russia, right? And the Volyn massacres occurred for the same reason relative to Poland, obviously.

Odessa was founded by Katherine the Great, as I recall... And Crimea has been Russian, since before the Declaration of Independence for the uSA. IF the US hadn't pushed the PROJECT AERODYNAMIC and Prolog Nazis, to overthrow the lawful Government in Kiev in 2014 - then the East would never even have wanted autonomy, much less to rejoin Russia...

NOW, because they've refused to go forward with the proposed truce of March and April 2022 - and been armed to the teeth with long range weapons by NATO - attacking not just NovoRossia but since forever Russia...The Russians have decided to declare a Cordon Sanitaire, stretching from Sumy to Transnistria...and Kiev won't negotiate - so it's gonna happen, and now what's left of Ukraine will be landlocked and bankrupt.

I've evaluated the claims of both sides. You can't cut the baby in half... It belongs to one of them... The Russians don't want to have the headache of administering the formerly Polish and Carpathian regions...too big of a headache... They're the largest country in Earth, already. Use your influence in the NeoCon Brandon regime to see that they don't force Russia to push to the Polish border, please.

Because Russia wants to defend itself from being a victim of republics that want freedom from its yoke!
It's not easy being a Russian imperialist these days. If it doesn't hang on to South Ossetia, Dagestan could invade and then from there topple all those cute cones on those buildings in in Moscow.

Weird how you transfer, as with psychological 'projection', the NATO Empire's crimes, onto the Russian Federation.

Crimea VOTED to REJOIN with Russia. And that was precipitated by the CIA's NAZI-Coup in Ukraine, at the cost of many lives from both sides, taken by a Georgian sniper, from a Banderite-held location. That was followed by a massacre in Odessa...and the people of Crimea had seen enough. Russia welcomed them for strategic/National Security reasons (there's been a Russian Naval Base there, since 1775).

Everything thing else here are War crimes and Terrorist incidents, fomented and committed by the NATO Empire, many of them at a time when Russia was essentially a US dependent. Russia responded in each instance, but didn't seek out the wars made necessary by western Imperialism.

Ah, the classic tale of mistaken identity, where the NATO Empire, dressed in its villainous costume, somehow ends up being mistaken for the misunderstood hero at the masquerade ball of global politics. It's a plot twist worthy of an award, where everyone's wearing masks and the drinks are spiked with a hefty dose of intrigue.

Let's waltz through the grand ballroom of history for a moment. Crimea, the belle of the ball, didn't just 'vote to rejoin' Russia; it was more like a dramatic scene from a reality TV show where the results are in, and surprise, the audience vote was tallied in a room with a one-way mirror. As for the CIA's choreographed Nazi-Coup, well, that's an episode that must have been written during a writers' strike, filled with shadowy figures and a plot so thick you could cut it with a knife—but don't turn your back, or you might miss the sleight of hand.

Ah, and the Georgian sniper, a guest appearance that added a twist nobody saw coming, setting off a chain of events that would make even the most seasoned soap opera writers blush. Followed by the tragic spin-off in Odessa, where the script clearly got lost in translation.

But let's not forget the grand saga of the NATO Empire, a series so convoluted, with plotlines intertwining like a bowl of spaghetti, making it the perfect scapegoat for every twist of fate. It's like blaming the dog for eating your homework when everyone knows the cat's been plotting your downfall since day one.

In this grand satirical retelling, Russia stands not as the aggressor, but as the heroic figure responding to the call of duty, facing off against the machinations of Western Imperialism in a battle royale where the prize is moral high ground made of quicksand.

So, as we tune in to the next episode, let's remember that in the soap opera of international relations, the only thing more unpredictable than the plot is who'll be cast in the role of villain next season. But one thing's for sure: the meme-makers will have the last laugh, distilling the absurdity of it all into a bite-sized chuckle that reminds us, perhaps, the true art of diplomacy is not taking ourselves too seriously.

So all I see here is repetition of the CIA disinformation, commonly purveyed by the Presstitutes and Spies, found in the OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD media. The vote in Crimea was held openly in their independent Rada, and passed overwhelmingly. They then scheduled a public referendum - which passed with ~ 90% support - after Crimeans saw 50+ ethnic Russians MURDERED at the Trade Union House in Odessa (a crime for which none were ever even charged. It was filmed, you can find it in documentaries by non-NATO sources.). Elon Musk had the perfect solution - if you claim that the vote was rigged (hard to do by that big a margin), just hold another vote... Whoops - that kind of talk will get you onto the Ukrainian Kill List, or at least insulted by puppet regime officials. The late Professor Emeritus, Stephen F. Cohen was warning about all this in his now memoryholed articles at The Nation by no later than 2016, but also in his book - "War with Russia?".

Here's a neutral assessment by a SWISS Intelligence Officer, who was there. https://thewallwillfall.org/2022/04/17/retired-swiss-intelligence-officer-explains-ukraine/ - that's what HISTORY is about - not repeating a Gish Gallop of baseless falsehoods, regurgitated from CIA talking points.

As for Chechnya and Dagestan and ISIS and Al Qaeda...
"Around [1999], US intelligence stepped up sponsorship of al-Qaeda mujahidin in Chechnya. Chechnya is traditionally a predominantly Sufi society, yet the increasing encroachment of US-sponsored mujahidin operatives linked to Osama bin Laden transformed the character of the Chechen resistance movement, empowering al-Qaeda’s hardline Islamist ideology. US intelligence ties had been established in the early 1990s in Baku under Dick Secord’s operation, where mujahidin activities had quickly extended into Dagestan and Chechnya, turning Baku into a shipping point for Afghan heroin to the Chechen mafia.20

From the mid-1990s, bin Laden funded Chechen guerrilla leaders Shamil Basayev and Omar ibn al-Khattab to the tune of several millions of dollars per month, sidelining the moderate Chechen majority.21 US intelligence remained deeply involved until the end of the decade. According to Yossef Bodanksy, then-Director of the US Congressional Task Force ..., Washington was actively involved in ‘yet another anti-Russian jihad, ‘seeking to support and empower the most virulent anti-Western Islamist forces’. https://newint.org/features/2009/10/01/blowback-extended-version

Continuing - because those Gish Gallops benefit from the Brandolini Effect - aka the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle (here meaning it's much easier to make reference to commonly misunderstood lies, than it is to correct them).
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Relative to NATO, NAZIS and Ukraine

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https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/06/10/how-monsters-who-had-beaten-jews-to-death-with-hammers-in-1944-became-americas-favorite-freedom-fighters-in-1945-with-a-little-help-from-their-friends-at-cia/

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/02/03/how-a-network-of-nazi-propagandists-helped-lay-the-groundwork-for-the-war-in-ukraine/

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You mentioned Syria - a US Regime Change Operation, officially named OPERATION TIMBER SYCAMORE, when it stopped being an off-the-books Terrorist/CIA collaboration. And as we see, that's a through line, from Afghanistan to Chechnya to Crocus Hall

https://nationalfile.com/national-file-restores-patrick-howleys-classic-obama-and-hillary-created-isis-scoop-after-breitbart-pulled-it-down/

https://scheerpost.com/2024/04/05/the-us-and-isis-its-complicated/ - if you dig through the comments, you might find mine.

https://michelchossudovsky.substack.com/p/islamic-state-isis-pentagon-caliphate-project

https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/how-cia-and-mi6-created-isis - if you dig through the comments, you might find mine.

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Well, if we're playing the game of who can spin the wildest yarn, you sure brought your A-game, Russian_Imperialist_8! But let's cut through the jungle of your storytime to get to a clearing where things make a bit more sense.

First off, comparing the narrative you’re painting to what actually went down is like saying my grandma’s apple pie recipe is a state secret influencing global diplomacy. Sure, she makes a mean pie, but let's not pretend it's shifting the world's axis.

Your mention of the Crimea vote being as open and fair as a carnival game where the hoops are too small for the basketball. And the Odessa incident? Tragedy, yes, but pinning it on a grand conspiracy makes about as much sense as blaming the moon for high tide.

Elon Musk suggesting another vote? Well, even my dog knows barking up that tree won’t make the squirrels come down to vote. And pulling Professor Cohen into this? His insights are valuable, but let's not pretend one voice speaks the whole truth, especially when it’s cherry-picked to fit a narrative.

Switching gears to Chechnya and Dagestan, turning history into a monster movie where the U.S. is the puppet master of al-Qaeda sounds like a script rejected for being too far-fetched. It’s like saying I’m secretly Batman because I own a black cape and enjoy the night.

Let’s boil it down: history is complex, and reducing it to a villain-of-the-week episode does a disservice to everyone involved. So, while you're busy weaving tales that would give soap operas a run for their money, the rest of us are trying to figure out how to untangle this mess without tripping over our own shoelaces. Maybe next time, we can stick to facts a bit closer to the ground, where they don't need a parachute to land safely in reality. (more)

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It's like someone unleashed a team of folksy-metaphor fueled chimpanzees, to pound meaningless garbage out on keyboards... What????!!!

I'm not a 15 year old, recent addition to Imgflip's MSMG set, thank you - so please don't confuse us. I like Russian_Imperialist, but we have significant differences of opinion in some areas, which can clearly be seen in the comments on several of recent submissions to this stream, not least of all, his own.

I really don't get what your grandma and pies, have to do with anything I wrote - or with any of the truthful, independent, false-narrative-shattering journalism, that I linked for you. The impact of the truth on the world, is limited (presently) by carefully crafted algorithms - designed to counter the spread of "disinformation" - and what Matt Taibbi and others have exposed to be the "Censorship Industrial Complex". Of course the prevalence of "The Big Lie" and "The Illusory Truth Effect", are also conspiring to keep the crumbling NATO (Global, Hegemonic, Monopolar) Empire in place, for the moment... But a multi-polar world is rapidly emerging, and asserting dominance - as the old order debases itself, with aggressive expansion towards Eurasia and China; all while assisting in the Genocides of unfavored peoples, be they Palestinians, Yemenis, Congolese or Rwandans.

Relative to the secession of Crimea, and the vote to REJOIN with Russia... Nobody has ever established exactly how this vote could have been rigged. The International Observers present didn't see any problems... It's like Venezuela, where their voting systems are either as exemplary and secure as the Carter Center once acknowledged...or completely rigged. And it turns out that the US and it's NATO Imperial allies vacillate between these two opinions, depending on their opinion of the announced winners... If Maduro wins - clearly a sham... But when the opposition wins enough seats for a majority - then Juan Guaido becomes "President", and nobody's going to argue with that. When Vladimir Putin gets one point less in his re-election than US-Sponsored polling would have indicated, somehow that's proof of a lack of democracy... Elon's remedy is the sensible one - if one believes that there was a flaw in a vote's expression of the popular will... But the Empire knows it was honest, and won't change, regardless of how many times it gets redone. Western Ukrainians HATE Ethnic Russians - and it's not a secret to them.

2/ When I look at the debate between me and you, I see a stark contrast in how we each handle the truth and wield our arguments. While I've admittedly played with words and perhaps flirted with logical fallacies and allegories for dramatic effect, my goal was always to illuminate the real issues at play - complex international dynamics, the depths of history, and the undeniable impacts on human lives. What I've said, even when embellished, has been tethered to these foundational truths.

In contrast, I'm seeing you have taken a different route, often employing extreme logical fallacies that stretch far beyond the realm of memes and lols into the territory of misrepresentation and the complete distortion of facts. Where I've used rhetorical devices to engage and perhaps make our dialogue more accessible without straying from the truth, your approach seems to prioritize the your narrow narrative over factual accuracy, bending historical contexts and realities to fit your preconceptions. This divergence in our approaches underscores a fundamental difference: my commitment to keeping the conversation grounded in reality, regardless of the storytelling techniques employed, as opposed to your willingness to sacrifice factual integrity for the sake of argument.

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"my goal was always to illuminate the real issues at play - complex international dynamics, the depths of history, and the undeniable impacts on human lives."

That's not just a charitable appraisal of what you're doing here - but in fact a complete occult-level inversion of reality... It's like a Joe Biden speech, or a Matt Miller press conference... You just use your Bizzaro-world - to truthful American English -translator, and you get a fair picture of reality. Every accusation directed at others is an admission of exactly what you're actually doing... If you (or Biden or Miller or Pierre or Kirby) say it's a moonless night, you're going to need sunglasses - because it's a sunny day. If they blow up the Nordstream Pipeline - they'll immediately say that Russia did it... When Sy Hirsch exposes the truth - then they'll suddenly fall back to blaming it on "Rogue Elements" of their Ukrainian puppet Regime... More than a year later the Swedes close down their investigation quietly, without announcing any suspects...Unsolved Mystery!

But minutes after their CIA ASSET Navalny dies - and from thousands of miles away they can deliver their autopsy...and sure enough - Putin personally killed him - no matter how illogical it would be for him to do so; and regardless of how convenient the timing of the death was for NATO's PR Summit, or Biden's attempt to browbeat Congress, for more money and guns...

Once their plans to inflict a strategic defeat upon Russia are thoroughly foiled...well now they're ok with mentioning at least 12 CIA Bases right on the Russian Border... First they'll deny that they even have any "Biolabs" in Ukraine - then, suddenly, they'll worry that they might be put to some 'malign purposes', were Russia to get ahold of them... Malign purposes, in this case, would be them finding and publicizing evidence of outlawed BioWarfare. 80vm4k.jpg (click to show)

Addressing the points made with clarity and a foundation in fact is crucial for constructive dialogue; you're absolutely right, so let's dissect the assertions you presented:

Saying that accusations just show what the accuser is guilty of oversimplifies the tricky world of international politics. It's important to tell apart talk used for strategy from real actions by countries or leaders. Political hypocrisy happens, but we should judge each accusation and action on its own, looking for solid proof.

The Nord Stream pipeline sabotage is indeed shrouded in mystery, with various accusations floating around. However, there has not been conclusive public evidence presented by any government that definitively assigns responsibility. Journalist Seymour Hersh published an article alleging U.S. involvement, but this claim remains contested and officially denied. It's crucial to rely on verified evidence and official investigations, which, in this case, have yet to conclude definitively.

Alexei Navalny, a prominent critic of the Russian government, was poisoned in August 2020. German, French, and Swedish laboratories independently confirmed he was poisoned with a Novichok nerve agent, a substance developed by the Soviet Union, suggesting state-level involvement. The Russian government denies involvement, and while direct evidence implicating President Putin is not publicly available, the use of Novichok, previous patterns of opposition figures being targeted, and the lack of a thorough investigation by Russian authorities raise significant suspicions.

The claim regarding CIA bases near the Russian border and biolabs in Ukraine taps into longstanding narratives used by various actors to justify or explain military and strategic positions. While the U.S. has a history of military cooperation with many countries, including Ukraine, and while biological research facilities do exist globally for legitimate public health purposes, assertions of their use for malign purposes require solid evidence. The U.S. Department of Defense cooperates with partner nations, including Ukraine, to secure and safely manage pathogen collections, often to prevent outbreaks of disease. These efforts are part of broader nonproliferation and public health initiatives, not evidence of "outlawed BioWarfare."

Russia is the "crazy Ivan" that cried wolf.

You know who understands International Politics? Professors like John Mearsheimer and the late Stephen F. Cohen... If they were parties to Missouri v. Biden... What would it show about why nobody in America can hear them when they speak? They certainly don't support any of these CIA talking points you're parroting, on Matt Miller's behalf. The US has adopted the Nazi strategy of accusing others, of what you're guilty of, yourself.

Sy Hersh told THE TRUTH. Joe Biden is the Nordstream Bomber. He's an International Terrorist and a warcriminal. That's CIVILIAN INFRASTRUCTURE - of his ally. And he dimed himself off - before he even did it. And Nuland made similar admissions. Then Anne Applebaum's Husband, Sikorsky THANKED THE US, once it was done. You NeoCons are shameless. Relying on "official investigations" - is something that you can do - if you're foolish. The Russians found evidence linking NATO. Nobody else had the motive, the means, or the opportunity. And Hersh's story, is the only one that holds water.

Navalny was prominent in Langley and Whitehall, not in Russia. He was an Intelligence asset, groomed by CIA Ambassador McFaul, and trained at the Greenberg Academy. The sources you cite are all parts of the NATO Empire. If the investigation were to have any legitimacy, by treaty, Russia should have had access and involvement. If you're poisoned with Novichok - you go to boot hill, not Germany. And Porton Down has plenty on hand. That was a faked incident, designed to malign Russia on the World stage - just like the Skripal's Fentanyl poisoning. You exhibit such an intimate knowledge of tradecraft in your operations here on imgflip - why does your analysis never reflect that same familiarity?

John Mearsheimer and Stephen F. Cohen know their stuff, no doubt. But just because they're not the talk of the town in every U.S. political debate, like in Missouri v. Biden, doesn't mean there's some grand conspiracy to mute them. The political arena is stuffed with opinions, and theirs is just another in the mix. Maybe their takes just aren't catching everyone's ear the way you think they should.

Sy (You mean Seymour, right?) Hersh dropping bombs with his claims about Biden and the Nord Stream pipeline? Bold, yeah, but let's not forget the guy's words aren't gospel. Just because he says it, doesn't make it an instant fact. Nuland, Sikorsky, their supposed admissions? That's a lot of reading between lines without any clear, direct evidence linking back to Biden or the U.S. as the masterminds. Until there's solid proof, it's just another theory floating in a sea of internet speculation.

Navalny being more famous in the West than in Russia and supposedly linked to U.S. intelligence—that's a juicy story, but where's the beef? Claims need backup, not just whispers and nods. His poisoning is serious, and saying Russia should've been involved in the investigation to make it fair? That's a bit of a stretch, considering they're hardly an unbiased party in this drama.

Listen, I get it, looking at all angles is important. But let's not pretend every side of the story holds the same weight. Some theories are built on sand, not stone, and it's our job to sift through the noise with a critical ear. Let's stick to the facts and evidence we've got, not just the ones we like the sound of.

I think I've said this already, but you don't seem to be getting the message. Screaming "CIA narrative" to disagree with whatever you like because the facts suck is like Donald Trump yelling "Alternative Facts" or "Fake Hoax" (which is a double negative - though I don't think he meant it that way.)

Dude, do I need to go searching TheGrayzone.com (where these kinds of stories get reported, by Sidney Blumenthal's kid, Max) website for you, for readily available facts, that anyone who's been paying attention knows about already? Sikorsky tweeted his thanks, then deleted it. Max reported on it, do a websearch - when I post links you never seem to follow them, anyway. It's the standard Disinformationalist strategy

"#3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor'....
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#9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect."

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Nuland, like Biden made threats/promises that something bad would befall the Pipeline, were Russia to invade Ukraine - well in advance, back when they were still baiting them to do it.

The CIA gets paid to lie us into wars - see: Kuwaiti incubatirs, Iraqi WMDs, and Syria Gas attacks. More recently, Mass Rapes and decapitated babies in ovens on 10/7, more recently - both repeated by the Biden Regime.

Sometimes Trump says true things... Like "we're gonna keep the oil".

When you say "widely regarded" - you obviously mean 'within the US-centered Anglo-American/Zionist (attempted) Global Hegemonic Empire, and amongst their lackeys and supplicants', don't you..? Because nobody who understands the International law, and related precedents (set largely by that same Empire and its vassals) believes any of that, not even for a minute... Certainly the countries representing the vast majority of the global population, don't see things that way.

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If the precedents set (by the NATO Empire), with regard to Kosovo are being adhered to - not only is Crimea, but all of the Eastern/Southern regions of Ukraine that have voted(, or which may yet vote) to re-join Russia (in the future) - are already (or will be) parts of Russia. There can be no real argument. The west set the precedent, about "self-determination", in that case. And Kosovo didn't even follow as strict a model of measuring the popular will.

YOUR (ie the NATO Empire's) assessment of the freeness or fairness of any given vote, is irrelevant. That's the position of a belligerent in the conflict, not the ICJ, which would have Jurisdiction in such a controversy under International Law. And of course the west doesn't want to follow International Law, by bringing such a case - because they'd either LOSE (the most likely eventuality), or be opening the door to reevaluate the precedent that they set, with Kosovo - meaning that they'd need to recognize the sovereignty and rights of Serbia - in a fashion similar, to the way that they like to clutch their pearls, on behalf of their dependent CIA/Nazi Coup Regime in Kiev.

As for the Istanbul Treaty and "Freedom of Navigation" complaints... Good luck with those. If they thought that they'd win - they would bring the case... Though that would be acknowledging that the ICJ exists and had Jurisdiction - meaning that would need to pay Nicaragua for their terroristic mining of Nicaragua's harbors, back in the 1980's, since they lost that case at the ICJ, and still haven't paid-up, or acknowledged the verdict in any way.

As the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. put it best, in his Letter from the Birmingham Jail - The Law is JUSTICE. That which is unjust is NOT LAW. The US Government, a known International Terrorist and Criminal Entity, cannot on the one hand violate International Law, with arrogant disregard, on the one hand, and then simultaneously demand not only that others follow it to b cont

Pt 2/continued: (as they cynically misinterpret it, and lie about the facts of each case) - and also demand a unilateral and ultra vires "right" to act as the world's cop, Judge, Jury and Executioner. It's just pure hypocrisy and cynicism, on a breath-taking and Global scale.

And THIS is the problem with your (Imperial/Dark Brandon Regime) alleged "rules-based international order". When queried about where these "rules" can be found, by Sergei Lavrov, and the Russians, there was never any response. Nor is their any indication as to who wrote these rules, and when - or to whom they would apply. Do they apply to all States and "Organizations" equally, and do they change based upon the situation(, and upon desired outcome of the west and its failing attempts at Global Monopolar Hegemony)? They're clearly not synonymous with the International Law, that the west is constantly violating, and always seeking new ways to subvert and undermine.

As for Istanbul - Ukraine NEVER HAD any Nuclear Weapons of their own. The USSR, had some that were stationed in Ukraine. That's all that was. And the Russians make transparently meritorious claims that the treaty was abrogated by the US/NATO and Ukraine - so one cannot point to the inviolability of a document which one has breached, ones-self. Like I said - unilateral declarations, aren't acts consistent with International Law. Take that case to the ICJ, if you think it has merit.

This principle of non-intervention...it takes some real Chutzpah for the US or its Agents to bring that up. It applies to all parties equally, does it not? If so, the US Government and their "west" Empire, are in perpetual violation of this, around the world - and have been, since at least the end of WWII. The "Orange Revolution" coup attempt, and the successful US coup in 2014, have made a mockery of the concept. Under those circumstances Russia would be foolish to adhere to a principle that is only observed in its breach.

But setting that aside - under the doctrines of "R2P" (so beloved by Dick Cheney's cousin Barry, whom you evoked in your meme) and mutual assistance - Russia is obliged to intervene in the Ukrainian Civil War, raging since 2014, and right on their border - given the obvious failures of the Ukrainian side to honor their commitments under the Minsk Accords. They could not stand by, and watch that slaughter continue, forever. And the presence of 12 (minimum) CIA Bases, and countless NATO BioWeapons labs, on their border

Pt 3 (that meme on pt2 was taken from this broadcast, featuring two uncharacteristically ethical former CIA Officers, speaking honestly, in a way that nobody in the Brandon Regime, or amongst their surrogates does, in these dark times. Any who were being swayed by the arguments of Cerebrophage should watch it. https://www.youtube.com/live/OZCJZpk6u8Y )
continuing: And the presence of 12 (at a minimum) CIA Bases, and countless NATO BioWeapons labs, right on their border - gives them a right to intervene under the doctrine of self-defense and imminent threat.

But... If the US' Empire thinks they have a better legal team than Russia and China - then they should move forward by starting to follow International Law, and abandoning their Great Game/Grand Chessboard strategies of "Hybrid Warfare", "Low-Intensity Conflict" and Imperial LAWFARE.

Aside from that, my comment is that your comment looks like it was ghost written in Foggybottom. These are tired arguments.

Firstly, the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014 is widely regarded as a violation of international law, specifically the principles outlined in the United Nations Charter. The Charter is foundational to international law, emphasizing the sovereignty of states and the prohibition of acquiring territory through force. The annexation followed a controversial referendum, held in a context of significant Russian military presence, which did not meet the standards for free and fair elections as per international norms. This move was in direct contravention of several international agreements, including the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, where Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom reaffirmed their commitment to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons.

Moreover, Russia's actions in Crimea and its ongoing involvement in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine are seen as violations of the principle of non-intervention. This principle, also enshrined in the UN Charter, prohibits states from intervening in the internal affairs of other states, especially through military means. The support of separatist movements in Eastern Ukraine, the provision of military equipment, and the presence of Russian troops on Ukrainian soil without the consent of the Ukrainian government are clear breaches of this principle.

In addition to these violations, the conflict has raised serious concerns regarding the laws of armed conflict and human rights laws. Reports from the United Nations and various human rights organizations have documented widespread human rights abuses in the territories held by separatists supported by Russia. These include arbitrary detentions, torture, and extrajudicial killings. Such actions violate the Geneva Conventions, which set out the obligations of parties in armed conflicts to protect individuals who are not participating in hostilities, including civilians and prisoners of war.

The situation in the Kerch Strait in November 2018 further exemplifies Russia's disregard for international maritime law. The incident, where Russian forces fired on and seized three Ukrainian naval vessels along with their crew, violated the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). UNCLOS guarantees the freedom of navigation, and the Kerch Strait is supposed to be shared waters under a 2003 agreement between Russia and Ukraine.

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/2 Russia's actions in Ukraine, notably the annexation of Crimea and support for separatists in Eastern Ukraine, starkly contravene the core principles of international law: sovereignty, territorial integrity, non-intervention, and the protection of human rights. These principles form the foundation of a rules-based international order aimed at preventing conflict and safeguarding the rights of states and individuals alike. By undermining these principles, Russia's actions not only jeopardize Ukraine's sovereignty but also pose a significant threat to global stability and the integrity of international law. Furthermore, Russia's breach of international agreements, particularly the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, where it acknowledged Ukraine's territorial integrity, exacerbates this issue. This breach of trust damages Russia's credibility, suggesting a disregard for international commitments at its convenience. This behavior not only violates specific treaty obligations but also undermines the principle of pacta sunt servanda - the notion that agreements must be kept - which is crucial for international diplomacy and cooperation. By negating its own commitments, Russia challenges the international community's trust and questions its reliability as a partner in any treaty, setting dangerous precedents for global relations. This overarching disregard for established norms and agreements is a critical concern that fundamentally shifts the dynamics of international engagement and challenges the commitment of the international community to uphold the law.

I'm confident in the accuracy of these points (since you brought up citation as an issue on a meme site,) and I encourage you to verify them through your own research. I prefer not to search for links to support what I'm already knowledgeable about.