It's stupid to even think that Ukraine has a chance against Russia

People mock Russia for initially failing in Ukraine but I just remind them this. "Ukraine, has all of NATO supporting it. Why is the war still going?" One of the strongest, if not the most strong alliance in history focusing tons of resources in one region and yet Russia is still pushing and slowly winning, mile by mile.

We're not mocking Russia for not being able to compete with the resources that NATO provides. We're mocking Russia for not being able to deal with the country whose population is significantly smaller than Russia, and is only receiving reinforcements who volunteer. Meanwhile, Russia is facing repeated reports of diaspora, entire units joining the Ukrainian war effort. Ukraine while conscripting isn't having any where near the same levels of defection.

If NATO kept themselves out of the conflict, the war would have ended within a month and Ukraine would have fallen within a couple weeks.

Dude - is this the LYING_Stream - or the History_Memes stream?

Who's "We"? You got a mouse in your pocket - or did you call in backup from DNCIA Disinformation HQ?

There's PLENTY of NATO troops fighting on the frontlines of Ukraine - "sheep-dipped" into Ukrainian uniforms, speaking Polish, and German and English and French and who knows what else - there's a lot of Nazi sympathizers that hate Russia, in what you NeoCons call "New Europe" - the Baltic States.

There's also Mercenaries, ISIS and Al Qaeda fighters from Syria, and whole slew of Foreign Legion-types (I forget the term that the Kokhols use for them, something like that). So this isn't JUST Ukraine fighting. They're getting satellite, targeting and Intelligence from NATO, undeniably. Patriot batteries are labor and skill-intensive. Those are being operated by NATO troops - probably Americans.

Russia isn't facing any "Diaspora", or problems with units of their military switching sides...But Ukraine actually has had many documented cases of this - from the beginning of their Civil War - that's where the DPR and LPR got most of their fighters and equipment, initially. There's a lot of tech workers looking to escape the illegal sanctions regime of the west, and now staying in France and Spain - just like the UK and EU are flush with fighting-aged Ukrainian male "refugees". People who lack patriotism, or who can avoid hardships flee. But I'd love to see what you think that number is relative to Russia. Cite your sources. It's a diminimus number. The vast majority of Russians support the defense of their vital National Security interests (keeping NATO off of their borders, and Nuclear weapons far enough from Moscow, to prevent an accidental Armageddon, if a flock of geese gets misread on their radars.

Yeah, I don't think you and I can continue this discussion with your attacks like this. You clearly aren't interested in just having a discussion. G'day.

https://raymcgovern.com/2024/04/09/whoever-lies-first-wins/

https://raymcgovern.com/2022/03/11/robert-scheer-ray-on-ukraine-russia-us/

https://raymcgovern.com/2019/08/05/russia-gate-as-organized-distraction/

I guess that makes you the winner.

First of all, Russia does not have a mandatory conscription, so your claim is false. After the Ukrainian initiated Crocus City Hall terrorist attack, Russians have volunteered for the army by the thousands to avenge the deaths caused by the attack.

Second, Ukraine has lowered its conscription age again, and yet faces shortages in the army because barely any Ukrainian citizens are willing to risk death at the front lines. And the protesters who protested against Ukraine, they all disappeared because of the Ukrainian Gestapo.

"Putin signs a tough new military draft law, banning conscripts from fleeing Russia"
2023, April 13th
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/13/1169464889/russia-military-draft-ukraine-war

What you say about Ukraine has some truth to it. You would be short-sighted to see that fervor for their country has persisted much longer than Russia's with some soldiers expressing their frustrations over the lack of transparency with the war and what it is for.

In spite of the extreme level of support, I do agree that given available data, Russia is on a path to a pyrrhic victory that has cost them more money that the country (I think) is ready to endure for the next few decades.

Of the 360,000 troops that made up Russia’s pre-invasion ground force, including contract and conscript personnel, Russia has lost 315,000 on the battlefield, according to the assessment. 2,200 of 3,500 tanks have been lost, according to the assessment. 4,400 of 13,600 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers have also been destroyed, a 32 percent loss rate.

As a superpower, this was a foolish move. Russia was economically fine beforehand. THey should've just kept to what they do best, political manipulation. I suppose that they saw their manipulation as effective enough to paralyze the legislature of as many western powers as Russia could get their hands on, and made their move. Yet, they didn't expect the resilience of the American Voters. If USA had been like Russia with censorship laws, Trump would've had another term. Putin would then have had carte blanch knowing Trump wouldn't have signed a bill allowing payments to Ukraine. This is why the House of Representatives has been blocking every bill that mentions anything about payments to Ukraine despite our long history of trading with Ukraine.

Let's be real, this isn't about the country or its people It's about the Nuclear power plant that Ukraine had. Also, IIRC Ukraine is one of the biggest grain producers in the world. Not sure on that though.

And Russia's troops are loyal to them. Ukraine has whole regiments and detachments that have joined Russia since the start of the conflict. I'm not completely sure if this is completely true, but there is a thing that I've heard about called the Malorussian Liberation Army, which is a whole army that defected from Kiev to fight for their Russian brothers.

Russia is much stronger than you think and Ukraine is much weaker than you think. Even though Ukraine is constantly being supplied by NATO, they are still losing miserably. Their top officials are even saying that the front line is about to break, and that Russia will definitely have a success on their next offensive. They are panicking that Russia will soon capture Kharkiv, Ukraine's 2nd largest city.

Look, NATO, which is supposedly one of the strongest military alliances in history, is helping Ukraine right now, but Russia still manages to keep winning and capturing towns.

If NATO is not involved in Ukraine, then why did France send thousands of troops to the fronts? And they send billions of dollars of aid there. And if Ukraine is not fascist, then explain the Ukrainian secret police, the Myrotvorets hit-list, and the Neo-Nazi Azov battalion. And as for the ISIS terrorists, they were recruited by the Ukrainian embassy in Tajikistan. IN 2014 after Russia annexed Crimea, the secret police massacred several ethnic Russians in Odessa. Then they started the conflict in Donetsk and Luhansk, which continued until those regions asked to join Russia and the SMO started. The Ukrainians are losing land every day, and hundreds of civilians die just because Zelensky is refusing to surrender his lost cause. After the 4 annexed regions overwhelmingly voted to exit Ukraine and join Russia, Zelensky made it illegal to negotiate with Russia, putting more blood on his hands. Your 'info' is so one-sided and obviously lies that it is clear that you got them from western propaganda.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/france-preparing-to-send-2-000-troops-to-ukraine--svr

Ukraine may lose but it is not weak and it's loss won't be as miserable as you think. A third of the Russian Black Sea Fleet has been destroyed. A couple of T-90s were already caught in camera being destroyed. Even if Ukraine does not win, Russia would still suffer.

Meanwhile, Russia had a whole parade made up of captured NATO military vehicles.

There is still a chance it is fake. In that parade, I don't see any Leopards or Bradleys in there. Russia will still suffer even if they win. Finland, who nearly won against the Soviets in 1940, decided to join NATO back in 2022. Sweden followed after in 2023. This effectively makes Russia's Baltic Fleet bottled up. The Russians may have also made the mistake of not putting priorities on the navy. They lost the Russo-Japanese War because of that. They also probably only won WWII because the Americans were doing Lend-Lease with them. Modern day Russia, they lost the First Chechen War. They won the second one with heavy casualties and potential war crimes. What else? Corruption. I already know Ukraine and other former USSR members have it, but Russia probably has the most. It's the reason their "aircraft carrier" is inoperable for so long. It probably caused the Kursk disaster. There is also a big problem with vodka. Drinking too much of that alcohol.

Finland did not nearly win, they were defeated and lost a lot of their border lands after the Moscow Treaty. In the Russo-Japanese War, Russia had barely any ships in the Manchuria area, and had to send new ships from St Petersburg all the way around Africa and Asia. No wonder they were defeated, they were exhausted and had low morale from that extremely long journey. And WW2, Russia was the biggest reason why Germany lost. First, they were pushed back, but when winter came, they gained momentum and did not slow down. If the Americans did not show up, they would have went all the way to France. And even while Stalin was Hitler's biggest enemy and fought the fiercest, Churchill was planning to betray him using those same Nazi soldiers that he was fighting against at the moment. Stalin actually had an extremely high chance of joining the Axis, but Barbarossa made him do otherwise. Let's face it: if the USSR became an Axis nation, the Allies would have likely never won. And while I (and probably you) severely oppose Communism, we still need to be thankful for what the USSR did for the Allies in WW2.

And Russia has captured at least one Bradley before, and destroyed several Abrams and Leopard tanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfmU_16zSnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPT8gs3f06g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh2OMdUlpw0

And a lot of the vehicles that Russia captured are very badly destroyed, and probably couldn't end up at the parade at all.

Alright good point and potential evidence. But Russia still lost an S-400 in Crimea. I am also hearing Russia is convicting a list of rocket scientists rn. I also heard Iran had S-300s to defend against Israel, and one of them had their radar damaged. Apparently, corruption and incompetence has not been kind.

It's true that Russia has lost vehicles and weapons, both sides lose things in war. But about the corruption, Ukraine has more of it. It even ranked higher than Russia on the official world rankings for corruption.

Both western and Russian rankings show that corruption, correct?

Both agree that Ukraine has corruption, although they have different views on it. They also have different views on Russia's corruption, which isn't surprising because they pretty much never agree with each other.

Ah, the classic underestimation mixed with overconfidence. A delightful cocktail, isn't it? Let's not forget history's fondness for the underdog. Russia's strength? Unquestionable. But brute force in a complex geopolitical puzzle? Like using a hammer to fix a Swiss watch. And Ukraine, under constant threat, still stands—not just a testament to their resilience but to the inefficacy of overwhelming might without right.

Your mention of top officials' panic? Fascinating. It echoes the age-old adage: the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

And as for capturing cities, history is littered with tales of territories gained only to be lost, a cycle as repetitive as it is fruitless. Strength, my friend, is more than territory—it's in the spirit of the people.

And on that front, Ukraine's spirit is as indomitable as any. As for NATO aid, it's merely the world saying, 'Bullying on the playground won't be tolerated.' Now, about that next offensive you're counting on—let's just hope it's not another chapter in the 'Art of War: What Not to Do'.

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/02/03/how-a-network-of-nazi-propagandists-helped-lay-the-groundwork-for-the-war-in-ukraine/

You clearly get all of your news from western propaganda. Zelensky's support in Ukraine is plummeting, and more and more Ukrainians are starting to support Russia. When the military operation started, Russia claimed that it would take just 10 days. In fact, most of what they own now was captured in just a three-day's time. However, NATO came in and made it much worse. They are sending supplies to Ukraine, but at the same time place severe sanctions on countries that send help to Russia.

Also, Ukraine is literally being run by fascists. To this day, they even have a Neo-Nazi party in their government. When citizens protest, they get shut down immediately so that Zelensky's weak regime is not toppled. And if Ukraine is not Nazi, then explain the secret police (AKA Gestapo) who arrest every citizen who speaks out about Zelensky's fascist government. Also please explain the Myrotvorets hit-list, where they place people around the world and then go after them to kill them. Just like Hitler's government, they are using extreme forces and measures to secure themselves, because otherwise their fascist leadership will collapse.

After the 4 occupied oblasts voted overwhelmingly to join Russia, Zelensky made it illegal to negotiate with Russia. NATO, AKA the fascist CIA-American empire, has also been trying to prevent all peace talks. They are willing to put every Ukrainian civilian to death just to fight Russia more. They claim to be the "democratic" and "peaceful" and "moral" side, yet they are the ones who are making the war last longer, killing more civilians. NATO cares nothing about Ukraine itself, they just want it to exist as an anti-Russia buffer state controlled completely by them.

There is nothing good about Ukraine, and there is no possible way for them to win. This war is a lost cause to them, and Zelensky is sending thousands of Ukrainians to death on the front just because he doesn't want to surrender.

Also, the USA played a huge role in the start of the war. They supported Kiev's regime and made it basically a puppet state. They showed fascism in the government, and it has grown significantly over the years. Russia and Ukraine are brother nations, and all that separate them are language, borders, and their hate for each other. There is no such thing as Ukrainian nationalism, it is simply just hate for Russia.

Most of the land that Russia holds right now was captured in a 3-day's time without much destruction. It is after NATO became involved when more people started dying. And it is not Russia, but Ukraine who is destroying most of their towns. My grandpa who lived in Russian Nova Kakhovka personally saw how the Ukrainian army was launching missiles into his town from Kherson which they held. The people in the occupied oblasts voted to join Russia. When you have a fascist circus clown as your leader with a corrupt and toppling regime, it is obvious that your citizens will grow to despise you and join the other side. Protesters who protested against Zelensky were all arrested by secret police (AKA Gestapo) and they were shut down immediately.

Russia ISN'T using brute force. That's just your detachment from reality talking - or perhaps just detached retinas.

This isn't a "war" to them, but rather a "Special Military Operation", being conducted with limited resources, and for limited purposes. They are in the escalation management mode, because the consequences of their response to NATO's aggression (which began this in 2008, see then-Ambassador Burns' wikileaked State Department Cable - "NYET, MEANS NYET!") moving ever Eastward from Germany, since breaking their 1994 promise of "not one inch"...well, their responses could have such disastrous consequences, not just for Russia, but for all of humanity.

So they went in LIGHT, and not HEAVY. Standard Military planning advises a 5:1 advantage for those moving forward towards defenses. They went in with a smaller force (in the whole of Eastern/Southern Ukraine - now Russia) than would be needed to hold Kiev. But they did remarkably well, that notwithstanding. There goal was to force Zelensky and his Nazi thugs to the bargaining table - and they achieved it. They had the framework of a deal signed - and then the Coup regime assassinated their negotiator - and NATO sent Boris Johnson over to scotch the deal. However, as a confidence building measure Russia withdrew their troops from the gates of Kiev, only to realize later that they were tricked.

And Ukraine was the one who started this conflict. Over a decade ago, the Ukrainian secret police massacred about 30 ethnic Russians in Odessa. They also started hostilities with Donbass, where many ethnic Russians lived. When the Russians saw what the Ukrainians were doing, they stood on defense. When the Ukrainians came to Donetsk and Luhansk for hostilities, and conflict started in 2014, which marked the start of the Russo-Ukrainian War. The Ukrainians committed atrocities, and in 2022 they declared independence. Soon after, they instead asked Russia to annex them. So Ukraine is at fault for all this, no matter what you say if it's true or not.

Diving into the narrative you've spun, Ri8, is akin to embarking on an odyssey through a world where shadows twist and tales defy the gravity of logic. Let's walk through this puzzle, shining a flashlight of common sense to see where things might have gone a bit wonky.

The assertion that Western media is the root of all misinformation is a delightful starting point, painting a picture of monolithic deceit. This is a classic example of the hasty generalization fallacy, where the vast and varied landscape of international journalism is reduced to a single, biased entity. Reality, however, thrives on diversity, and the global news ecosystem is no monolith but a mosaic of perspectives.

You mention Zelensky's plummeting popularity and a surge in Ukrainian support for Russia, yet this narrative seems adrift in the sea of anecdotal evidence, lacking the buoy of empirical data. This leap of logic, without the lifeline of substantiated facts, ventures into the murky waters of baseless assertion.

The saga of a 10-day military blitzkrieg, prolonged by NATO's intervention, unfolds like an epic drama. Here, we encounter the oversimplification fallacy, where the complex dynamics of international conflict are condensed into a narrative of good versus evil, ignoring the myriad factors at play in geopolitical strife.

With regard to the depiction of Ukraine as a den of fascism and secret police evokes the slippery slope fallacy, sliding from the existence of nationalist groups to branding an entire government as fascist without a measured analysis of policy and governance. This slippery narrative skates on thin ice, mistaking the shadow of a leaf for a dragon.

Referendums in occupied oblasts and the prohibition of negotiations are presented as fait accompli, yet this narrative is ensnared in the false dilemma fallacy, suggesting that there are only two options: accept Russia's claims or face endless conflict. Reality, however, is rarely so binary, and history is a testament to the power of diplomacy and dialogue.

My favorite bit was the portrayal of NATO and the United States as puppeteers in a grand geopolitical theatre is an intriguing plot twist, albeit one that falls into the conspiracy theory realm, a mixture of post hoc ergo propter hoc and ad hominem fallacies. It assigns causation where there may be none and attacks entities rather than addressing the substance of the conflict.

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2/ Lastly, the assignment of blame for the conflict to Ukraine for actions against ethnic Russians and the portrayal of Ukrainian nationalism as mere hatred for Russia serve as examples of the straw man fallacy. This misrepresents the arguments of the opposing side to more easily attack them, sidestepping the genuine grievances and aspirations of the Ukrainian people.

In this journey through your narrative, dear Ri8, we've navigated the twists and turns of logic and fallacy. Let's remember that the essence of debate lies not in the shadows of misinformation but in the pursuit of truth, guided by the principles of reason and evidence. As we continue this discourse, may we strive to elevate our arguments, ensuring they withstand the scrutiny of logic and contribute constructively to our understanding of this complex world.

On this adventure through your story, Ri8, we've walked through some tricky spots where things didn't quite make sense. Remember, arguing isn't about hiding in the dark with wrong information. It's about searching for the truth, using good thinking and real facts to guide us. Not feelings.

I don't have too much time at this moment to argue, but if it interests you, you can watch this video about a Ukrainian citizen in Russian Mariupol explaining why he came to support Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5hBDGE1yec

I didn't think we were arguing I thought it was a debate/discussion. Which, I suppose is an argument.

I'm really interested to know if a lot of people in Ukraine are beginning to support Russia, but it doesn't seem like that's happening. I checked out this guy's YouTube channel, finding just a few gaming clips and some videos from early 2023. There's no real proof he's from Ukraine. His videos make Ukraine look terrible during the conflict and then suddenly better afterward, all thanks to the same folks who surrounded their country with 190,000 soldiers and promptly invaded that caused the trouble.

Digging deeper, I noticed he hasn't shown any interest in Russia or Ukraine until 2023. This raises a couple of possibilities: maybe he's experiencing wartime Stockholm Syndrome, where people start feeling for their aggressors, or perhaps he's from Russia, pretending to be Ukrainian to push certain views. Focusing on just one person doesn't give us the full picture. A credible content creator needs a solid history of videos, which this guy lacks.

To sum it all up, it's tough to pin down who this person really is or what he stands for, especially without a clear video history. Given Russia's history with propaganda, it's likely we're seeing more of the same here. What's clear is that taking a deep look at one individual doesn't offer a complete view. Instead, it's the bigger shifts and trends that will truly tell us what's going on.

I'm not saying that this guy is exactly credible, but my grandparents who lived in Russian-occupied Ukraine also came to favor Russia
gtg for now

"came to favor Russia"
(See Stockholm syndrome)

They opposed the Zelensky regime long before the invasion

A small percentage of Americans are Neo-Nazis who also attacked the Capital Building in W. D. C. Who not only Support Trump but Putin as well with blind conviction.

That doesn't mean that they represent the rest of USA.

Ukraine may lose but it is not weak and it's loss won't be as miserable as you think. A third of the Russian Black Sea Fleet has been destroyed. A couple of T-90s were already caught in camera being destroyed. Even if Ukraine does not win, Russia would still suffer.

On what date, did Russia institute a draft?

Sorry for the delay, was having another discussion. Wanted to focus on that first, then address yours.

On September 21, 2022, Russia initiated what's known as a partial military mobilization, compelling certain individuals, notably those with prior military service, to reenlist, regardless of their willingness. This system closely resembles what Americans refer to as a draft, where individuals are mandated to serve once called upon. While "conscription" is the term generally used worldwide, "draft" specifically applies to the U.S., describing a similar process where the government selects individuals, often through a lottery system, to serve in the military. In contrast to Russia, the U.S. military has been entirely voluntary since the draft was abolished in 1973, meaning that all service members join by choice. Therefore, Russian conscription operates similarly to the American draft system, requiring individuals to serve without the option to refuse when summoned.

Ukraine is CURRENTLY conscripting any male that they can get their hands onto - to go die in the meat grinder at the Front. They just changed their laws to lower the legal age to 25, and include women. The laws aren't being followed, anyway - as children are being snatched off the streets near Odessa, and only tossed back (after being assaulted) when the conscripters realized how they had just kidnapped a kid, and it was too extreme, even for their CIA and Banderite Nazi paymasters. https://www.rt.com/russia/595557-ukraine-kid-violence-draft/

As for the September 21, 2022 call-up that you cited. YES - after the initial goal of forcing Ukraine to the Bargaining table at Minsk and Istanbul, in the Spring of 20222, was thwarted by NATO, in the person of Boris Johnson (there had been a draft agreement signed and initialed by both sides, waiting for final approval) - the Russians realized that the west was interested in continuing the proxy war against them, at any cost in Ukrainian and Russian lives. According to Lindsay Graham, it's "a bargain". So they exercised their options under the military contracts, previously signed by trained Russian Service members, who were largely released into civilian life, as reservists. That's not a draft. They weren't grabbing untrained civilians off of the streets, handing them empty rifles, and sending them off to die at the front, as Ukraine does. It was a necessary step, given the west doubling down at their proxy-aggression against Russia. While the US and their Kiev Puppet-Regime, can't meet their recruitment goals - Russia has no such problems, getting patriotic men of all ages to sign-up without compulsory means.

It's important to remember that Ukraine is trying to protect itself because it was attacked. However, Russia started the fight, which raises questions about whether their actions are right or legal.

You also mentioned some very strong terms like "Banderites" and "Nazi paymasters." These are serious words and need strong proof before we use them - not just speculation. "Banderites" is often used pejoratively by Russian media and officials to describe Ukrainian nationalists, suggesting that they are neo-Nazis or ultra-nationalists. This label is used to invoke historical negative connotations and to discredit modern Ukrainian nationalism by linking it to fascism and xenophobia. With this in mind, it sounds like you're just repeating Russian Propaganda.

So, while there are elements within Ukraine that can be described as nationalist or even far-right, the depiction of the Ukrainian state and its armed forces as dominated by Nazis is misleading and lacks a nuanced understanding of the situation. It is essential to differentiate between limited far-right elements and the broader political and military stance of Ukraine.

Regarding the West “doubling down” on a proxy war, it's really about many countries helping Ukraine stay free, not about starting a fight. They are helping because Russia's actions, like sending soldiers into another country without permission, are not allowed by international rules. When you say the West is “doubling down”, it kind of sounds like they are the ones making the situation worse. But really, the West started *helping* Ukraine more *after* Russia began its military actions there. This help from the West includes things like sanctions against Russia and support to help Ukraine defend itself. So, the West reacting this way is more about responding to what Russia did first, not about starting or increasing the trouble. It’s like if someone started a problem and then blamed others for reacting to it. Russia should stop escalating the conflict in their illegal military actions.

On conscription, Russia called up people who used to be in the army, which isn’t the same as forcing everyone to fight but shows how big this situation is. Many people in Russia didn’t agree with the war at first, which might show that they didn’t think it was right to fight like this. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-putin-deserter-asylum-5c7642cd14431d9af65076df2df4b861

It's important for Imperialist NARRATIVE MANAGEMENT to PRETEND - "that Ukraine is trying to protect itself because it was attacked".

At this point it feels like you're just huffing your own farts, telling me that they smell like roses - and offering an opportunity for me to do likewise. And yet you wonder why I'm not going along with you.

This IS the History_Memes stream... Not the NeoCon Forever War and Imperialism Talking points stream.

Your analysis is devoid of any relevant historical perspective. It feels like you first heard that Ukraine was a place, in 2014, at the earliest.

Ukraine has for centuries been a region - and not a nation. It's name means "Borderlands" (between Russia and the rest of Europe). CIA societal assessments going back to the 1950's, identify properly the rift in Ukrainian society. The Western portions are mostly Uniate Catholic, Ukrainian dialect (of Russian) speakers. Sympathies there lean towards Bandera, and the Waffen SS Galicia division types. They identified it as being ripe for US/NATO Operations. In the East and South - they mostly follow the Russian Orthodox Church, and speak Russian. These are identified as bad locations for US/NATO Operations. The middle of the country is split between the two tendencies.

That's why the CIA and MI-6 worked so hard on things like PROJECT AERODYNAMIC and PROLOGUE - to foster the fanatical anti-Russian/Nazi sympathies in the area around Lvov. They fostered a large Ukrainian Nazi Emigré community in Canada, and even a few settlements in the USA... That's where the State Department recruited for Yushenko his CIA-handler wife. There's photos of her with GHWBush41 and Stetsko, the unrepentant Nazi.

Modern Ukrainian "Nationalism" is a disease that the west has been deliberately fostering since at least the late 40's. As soon as the USSR fell apart - the Empire swung into action - fostering that and Genocidal division, to take over in Ukraine. Have you not heard the people of Western Ukraine, in their television channels, speaking of the need to "cleanse" the East and South of Ethnic Russians? That's who we put into power, with a CIA Coip in 2014. Nuland wasn't KUST handing out cookies - she was picking the Coup Government's leadership. Yats was "the guy" - Tahnybhok (and ardent Nazi) on the outside, but in on phonecalls 3× a week. One of the top Oligarch financiers of the Coup, waiting in the wings (Poroshenko) - to be handed the Presidency in a Western dominated new Regime.

That's how the Civil War in the East, Killing more than 15,000 (with countless r*pes and tortures snd lesser included offenses) over about 8 years, was begun by "the west". Zelensky - an actor, a drug addict, and an Intelligence asset of "the west" - ran on making peace with Russia, and won overwhelmingly. But as soon as he was installed into Office - he was told, in no uncertain terms, by the CIA-backed NAZIS who really run the country - that he would be swinging from a tree, if he implemented the Minsk Accords, or compromised in any respect with the Donbass Republics, or Russia.

Before the Russians even entered the Ukrainian Civil war - he was outlawing (non-fascist) political parties, and shutting down opposition media. This is NOT a Democracy. It's Fascistic Regime, being run from Langley, Whitehall and Brussels.

The PRECEDENT SET BY NATO - when it stole "Kosovo" from Serbia - is one that recognizes "self-determination". Well... The people in the East have determined that they don't want to be ruled over by murderous Nazi thugs, working for western paymasters. That's THEIR CHOICE. If you claim to support Democracy and not Autocracy - then go ahead and honor their clearly and repeatedly stated will.

Russia was ready to settle in March and April of 2022. The NATO Imperialists decided to keep going ahead with their designs in Ukraine - clearly expressed in Brzezinski's "The Grand Chessboard" and various RAND Corporation papers, like "Extending and Unbalancing Russia" (2019). That's on y'all. You're the ones who started recruiting Russian Nazis like Botsman and Nikitin - and trying to begin pathetic and doomed, cross-border attempts at "Regime Change" in Russia... Now Russia is quite justified in either De-Nazifying and UNITING with Ukraine...or creating a Buffer Zone that prevents further attacks from "the west".

You're going to lose your PROXY WAR. That is inevitable. Now Russia has agreed to peace talks, again - but this time, with the Puppet Masters, not the Puppet.

Hey ANW, I get that there were projects like Aerodynamic and Prologue, but we should remember they were in response to what Communist Russia was doing in the East back then. It's important to understand that today's young people in Ukraine, who grew up after the Cold War ended, probably aren't thinking about old influences or conspiracies. They just want their country to be their own.

About Russia's actions, when Putin said he was just doing a military operation but then stayed longer, it makes you wonder. If it was just an operation, shouldn’t it have finished by now? Also, just because Putin claims there might be some Nazi presence in Ukraine, it doesn't give him or any country the right to move borders. This move goes against what he initially stated. This kind of action is a big deal because it goes against international law, that’s why the UN and many other places are really concerned and not okay with what’s happening. Let’s focus on these facts and not so much on guessing motives or past actions. It's clear that these actions are serious and have real consequences for everyone involved.

If we start justifying today's actions with yesterday’s history, we might as well prepare for endless battles over who’s been wronged the longest.

What the USSR DID - was made necessary by the Perfidy of their "allies", Churchill and Truman - who were betraying the spirit of Yalta, before it had even happened. Churchill was planning "OPERATION UNTHINKABLE" - the betrayal of-, and the renewed attack against-, the USSR, using the same kinds of Banderites and other Nazis, that PROJECT AERODYNAMIC wound up using, as its troops, with the UPA. The betrayal was planned before Roosevelt's death (Stalin believed he was poisoned) - and implemented by the time that Berlin was falling. Patton was openly calling for the Allies to keep marching East. OPERATION DROPSHOT was completed by 1949, at the latest. The USSR was fully justified in noticing that they had been invaded 3 times in a hundred and fifty years - through the same corridor - and deciding to prevent a fourth invasion, by creating a buffer zone.

The ONLY REASON that the Russians allowed the reunification of Germany, was a fraudulent promise that NATO wouldn't expand "one inch to the East". Well we see what the NATO Empire's promises are worth, now. The attempts to add Georgia and Ukraine to NATO, are well past Russia's 'Red Line(s)'. William Burns wrote a secret cable about it, back in 2008. "NYET means NYET". LOOK IT UP.

Then in 2012 - Obama told Russophobic hawk Mitt Romney that the 50's wanted their foreign policy back... As soon as the election was over - it was now HIS foreign policy, too.

What the common people of Ukraine wanted was never an option. The US and NATO were pushing their own plans, using Nazi ideologues, from even before the Maidan Coup. Soros and Pierre Omidyar were paying for the buses that brought the hooligans and Nazis to Kiev. The people in the East saw what was happening. They weren't going to tolerate it - they didn't - and they won't, going forward. Carpathians from Lvov and Ivano-Frankovsk don't get to rule over the Donbass. It's not theirs, it never was, and it never will be. The same is true of Crimea. This isn't about YESTERDAY'S battles - but about today's.

Russia was at the Gates of Kiev in February 2022. They never intended to take and hold it - just to force a fair settlement. They demanded autonomy for the Donbass, and recognition for Crimea. They also needed a promise of neutrality, relative to the belligerent offensive alliance - NATO. The Ukrainians AGREED to their terms. So they pulled back, as a confidence building measure. Then NATO scuttled the deal, & began pumping Ukraine full of mercenaries n gunz.

When people mention old issues to explain what they're doing today, it's important to remember that past problems don't make it right to break the rules now. International laws say you can't attack another country just because you had issues a long time ago. That kind of thinking can make a country act like a bully, deciding on its own what's right or wrong without listening to others, which is a bit like how authoritarian governments act.

Creating a buffer zone might seem like a good idea for safety, but taking over parts of another country to do this is against the law. Countries are supposed to respect each other's space and solve problems through talking, not by taking over. When a country ignores these rules, it's acting on its own authority without caring about international laws, which is another sign of authoritarian behavior.

Talking about NATO and how it might include countries like Georgia and Ukraine is a big deal, but using this as a reason to attack these countries is jumping to conclusions. Just because countries talk about something, doesn't mean it will definitely happen. Acting on assumptions and attacking because of what might happen is what authoritarian leaders do when they want to scare and control people.

Even if other countries are influencing Ukraine, that still doesn't give anyone the right to invade it. Every country should handle its issues internally or talk them out with others. Using force like this shows a desire to control and dictate what should happen, which is often seen in fascist governments.

And about what happened in 2014 and today, no matter how much influence comes from outside, it doesn’t justify using military force against another country. International laws are very clear about this. Ignoring these laws and doing what you want is a big sign of an authoritarian and possibly fascist approach.

Finally, trying to force a country to agree to something by using military power, like what's being said about Russia in 2022, isn’t how things should be done. It should be about making agreements in peaceful ways, not through force. When a country uses its military to push others around and make them agree to things, that's a lot like what fascist governments do.

So, looking at all these actions, they kind of show patterns that we see in authoritarian and fascist governments, where power and control are more important than following rules and respecting others.

No more spaghetti, please. Its everywhere.