Cancer cases dramatically up after the dems vaccine mandates

If they had left it alone it would have gone away the same as SARS (Covid 2003) did.

"Vaccines" created viral mutations in hosts that have prolonged the illness.

Injections, especially repeated injections, of mRNA may have ensured that one's own cells became virus factories manufacturing proteins that excite the immune system, wearing it out over time.

Understand, I am speculating with the aid of my Junior Scientist Wuhan Lab Kit I got for my birthday.

That is an absolute load of garbage.

First off your cells are already virus factories assuming a virus takes over…because that’s how it reproduces itself. THATS HOW THEYVE ALWAYS WORKED.

Second yes your immune system makes antibodies that excite the immune system…because when your immune system detects a larger anti body prescence it assumes that something is causing a fuss because that’s part of the active immune system…but that goes with EVERYTHING even allergies.

Third if it encourages mutations then why were most of the mutations tracked occurring during BEFORE the vaccine was even being tested during the early stages of the outbreak but just far enough to go global.

No your speculating based off feels, vibes and memes and as someone who actually makes medical equipment your 2 cents is an insult to the entire industry despite us working to save your lives.

Lastly of course sars 1 shares similar dna…Covid 19 was originally going to be called sars 2 because it came from the same family of viruses being studied in bat caves in China where sars 1 came from.

Surprise something happened we didn’t learn from it, ignored it, and history repeated itself but nah we got all you internet scientists who couldn't understand that the sars family of viruses is to tiny to edit with even modern means with any sort of precision claiming for sure it was planned when most introverted scientists can’t even organize a proper brunch.

Meh.

Same bat cave...same testing in mammals.

I am aware that cells become virus factories.

Repeatedly pumping viral protein creating mRNA into your body creates cellular virus factories absent the wild virus.

Ineffective "vaccine" could very well be culpable for the introduction of new variants.

That is not so far fetched as to say total garbage.

A simple "I disagree" followed by rational rebuttal would have done nicely.

Trash talking doesn't make you correct.

mRNA vaccines don’t put in viral proteins they tell the body to directly using normal ass mRNA to produce anti bodies corresponding to a virus viral proteins (ie a dummy lock for the virus to plug into.) As opposed to the old method that used a weakened version of a virus for the immune system to do target practice.

In fact it was the NON mRNA vaccines like j and j that had more side effects and risk factors then the mRNA ones.

An in effective vaccine in theory could allow mutations to populate more but you know what’s worse? Nothing allowing long COVID to occur more frequently with even more mutations. And as the article states in the sub header…it’s manageable just like the flu vaccine is.

Buddy if I had a nickel for every time you or any other conservative trash talked through comments or memes I could afford a house.

And you are mistaking genuine anger for trash talking. Do you have any idea how many hours I lost of my life with loved ones fighting this damn virus while morons prattled on about how it was planned or didn’t even exist.

I was working 60 hours a week fighting this damn thing FOR 2 YEARS! Meanwhile everyone online magically became doctors and scientists who get basic facts on their practices wrong over night while stuck at home. A pandemic that was warned repeatedly would happen and begged for funding to research to prevent it but nooo. Couldn’t listen to people who knew what they were talking about listen to memes instead.

You misread what I typed resulting in misunderstanding what I typed further resulting in your misquoting what I typed.

The vaccine absolutely does cause your own cells to create a corona spike protein for your immune system to attack.

The hell I did.

You declared “creates cellular virus factories absent the wild virus.” Depending on the mRNA vaccine they either create the spike protein alone and only the spike protein or just directly start producing antibodies.

It does not replicate the whole virus. They at no point become virus factories. Making a spike protein the virus uses is not nearly the same as the entire virus which carries dna and spike protein does not and your body is CONSTANTLY producing similar proteins for normal use. That’s why the MRNA vaccine is so ingenious it’s almost like giving your body a direct message in a bottle.

In that specific example. It would be akin to notifying the body that one of its passwords is compromised. Referring to the main initial mRNA vaccines from the big 3 companies anyway.

Producing one new antibody will not wear out immune systems over time because our immune systems are always constantly producing antibodies. Thousands of different ones delay as a preventative from infections overtaking the body.

Even now with zero symptoms your body is at work fighting things like cancer, staph infections, common cold etc before they can get foothold.

Funny enough the two biggest things that wear down the immune system is lack of sleep and stress. You pulling an all nighter will hurt your immune system more then the vaccines did.

That is what I said.

And the "vaccine" causes your cells to manufacture the protein spikes of corona virus.

I did not say it replicates a whole virus.

That is your having misunderstood a simple comparison.

Really? Your immune system constantly fights viruses and bacteria and disease?
😄

Imagine that, and absent vaccination against any of those.

You come as angry.

Why?

PS - multiple doses 😉

No you said very clearly “become virus factories”

Okay now I know you’re just f**king with me and have zero intent of coming into this with any semblance of good faith. Because I’ve already explained to you in great detail why people like you tick off people in this field.

Yes the immune system does fight against those things because it’s familiar to those things…the Covid virus was NOT familiar to it…which is why vaccines exist because as good as the combat systems of the immune system are the IFF (friend or foe) biological mechanisms are twitchy at best or just outright useless or counter productive at worst. A vaccine sort of circumvents or pushes that iff to tell the body that “hey new threat on the way battle stations.”

For instance the immune system is designed to handle cancer…yet it exists…why? Well in the case of cancer it’s because the cell has managed to send an all is normal signal or the iff mechanics are failing to detect the cancerous cells.(The is a heavily dumbed down explanation take it with healthy dose of salt.)

In the case of autoimmune disorders or allergies it’s those same iff mechanics giving a red alert to every piece of pollen or your own cells. My dog had an autoimmune disorder that flared up and he got lucky surviving both instances. (Cells at work actually has an episode on this that I highly recommend as it explains allergies in a simple and digestible way.)

You can’t just say the vaccines create the spike proteins because not all do like I said earlier the j and j one used the old method of a less harmful version of a virus for the immune system as target practice. As opposed to mRNA that tells it produce the proteins/antibodies directly.

For the kind of wear tear on the immune systems you’d have to be taking boosters like their shots at tequila bar on a 21st birthday which no doctor in their right mind would ever do. And again staying up all night for a final exam is going to cause more wear on your immune system then taking another booster months after you took your first.

No.

You clearly insist on continuing to misunderstand despite clarification.

That "ticks off" rational people in every field.

Debate the premise, not your misunderstanding.

No, wait.

Debate the premise, not my lack of clarity in making statements.

I will take the blame for the misunderstanding.

Does that make you feel better?

Moving forward:

I provided leftist/liberal approved sources that state the same thing I stated.

Do you have further argument relating to the premise or just more emotional ranting?

Care to explain how it is that the vast majority of COVID-19 infected people had zero symptoms, mild symptoms, or recovered from more severe symptoms without "vaccination"?

For clarity, by "without "vaccination"" I mean prior to "vaccines" being available.

You didn’t clarify. you were wrong and tried to move the goal post to the spike proteins which are not the same thing virus. And if you were clarifying it could have been as simple as “woops I meant the viral spike protein not the virus itself my b.” It always has to be some framing in which you weren’t wrong despite my willing to concede where I’ve been wrong.

Details matter.

I have been debating the premise from the get go but you have refused to concede anything up until this point accusing me only being emotional and not listening to the facts when you have been cherry picking the facts or misinterpreting your own sources from the get go while using the oh so typical debate bro speech because debate for conservatism isn’t about coming to understanding it’s about owning your opponents in a wwe moment.

Yes I can explain how some recovered while others didn’t.but stick with me it’s gonna be a bit.

This family of virus tends to focus on spreading itself to as many hosts as possible even before the out break it had been jumping to humans, cows, basically anything within flight range of the bats. It’s why scientists were researchi It because they believed it would be the next big outbreak years ago. (Not that the virus has intent.) now this is natural and occurs more often then you think. For example did you know humans and guinea pigs can catch each others colds? We share enough similarities for that virus to be able jump hosts and over time a mutation that occurred allowing it use both. The pandemic of 1922 also is believed to have come from a simple jump from farm animals in Arkansas.

Now take that same principle and dial it up to 1000. You’ve got sars 1 and sars 2(Covid.)

Now why did some people recover? As much as I trashed our immune systems iff it can counter attack the virus but for people with long covid or who passed the virus had too much of a foot hold already and overwhelmed the system before it could develop an effective counter attack. (Ie your immune system scrambles the jets and carpet bombs everything in desperate hope of destroying the virus…but it also destroys your cells too.

Now if your immune system wasn’t dealing with anything else and super healthy you’d come out of it but not unscathed heart inflammation is common to anyone infected regardless of vaccine status along with lung damage. But if your immune system was dealing with literally else your odds plummeted.

Outta chars bear with me until next post.

Details matter.

Red underlining was added to highlight the statement you have been mischaracterizing.

So you ask why the vaccine?
Well not everyone is healthy…I myself have a pre existing condition that I wasn’t even aware of until I got long Covid from shopping at a store. (The one time I had a mask but no face shield.) I’m 28 at the time 6 foot 2 and a bmi of 24.2…picture of health in the surface. (I know it’s anecdotal but keep bearing with me.) there were plenty of people who had pre existing conditions unnoticed and recovered like myself. But I was infected for a month, and for first day I became symptomatic I lost all motor functions for a day…even after recovering I had to cut back on exercise to allow my lungs to recover.

Now enters the vaccine. To continue my previous military analogy the vaccine (non mRNA.) slides a defective version of Covid into the immune system. Killer T cells break it down while messenger T cells analyze its components and develop an anti body for other immune cells to replicate. These antibodies act as pseudo mines that are tuned specifically to the body. In the case of mRNA vaccines it’s more like plopping a blue print in front of your immune systems r and d department and the immune cells see it and basically goes “wait where we supposed to build this this week…crap everyone mandatory OT we gotta get this out now!”

In both scenarios let’s say someone like me with a condition or just bad luck with fighting illnesses gets infected after vaccination. The virus shows up runs head first instead into a mine field and a few more soldiers stationed then anticipated trained on their positions. Meaning even if they get a foot hold the odds of the virus doing serious damage go significantly down. (An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.)

Meaning even an elderly old man with herpes (1 or 2 1 in 3 odds he has both.) has a much better shot of not dying from a virus that would normally have him dead to rights or in a coma for 2 months. In a few weeks maybe even days.

Now on top of that the longer someone is infected the more likely the virus is to mutate randomly as opposed to a possible mutation in a vaccinated patient where it can be tracked and analyzed how it evaded the vaccine produced antibodies. Making it easier to develop a new booster for a mutation…but if it’s random from a non vaxxed patient your essentially flying blind as to how the new virus is different or even If that mutation is the one to actually be concerned about and not another 2. Like the mutation that jumped into mink in Europe.

Save it for your tinder profile.

This rhetoric does not address the question posed.

Or are you going to spend 8 posts arguing about goal posts, etc.

The articles from cdc, npr, nih(pub med), describe the same/similar thing I have.

I am ofcthe opinion that natural immunological processes would have finished off SARS 2 same as it did its 70% red headed step brother, SARS 1.

I am of the opinion that if it had been left alone it would have been gone at least two years ago.

I am of the opinion that the "vaccine" has enabled the continuing, year round, "vaccine" defeating virus.

And like that I’m done.

I give you a detailed response about how the immune system works with grossly simplified analogies and your response is more typical debate bro language and “well I believe this.” Despite evidence to the contrary or the fact even if it had occurred naturally a metric shit ton more people would have died. Which regardless of the vaccines ability to slow down the virus did succeed in saving more lives then they took by myriads. (yes even the j and j that killed a few people which got yanked from dispersal after that link was found but that wasn’t even an mRNA vaccine.)

And while my explanation is not by any means a fully in depth explanation sources such as kusgersart have covered this subject in great detail and nova. You are not being the intellectual you claim to be your just being stubborn or just refusing to accept the possibility you mite have been wrong after god knows how long you’ve been railing against this. And to be blunt I don’t care if it’s the sunken cost fallacy or just plain belligerence.

There are other people who even if I don’t change their mind can at least come to an understanding.

Also not single happily married. 🤡

I am glad to hear that.

You told me nothing I did not already know and/or had not already considered.

You avoided questions, the answers of which I would have entertained.

There is good science on both sides of the propaganda, even if you don't want wish to agree.

Science today is not science tomorrow.

Keep an open mind in the future.

Farewell.

https://youtu.be/DaYO-ppXByM?si=yKwg7tmL5dZwwsiZ

😄 And you said you were done !

I don't do links.

I am no longer interested in this conversation.

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“It’ll vanish just as quickly as it arrived” it’s been 3 go***amn years and it’s still killing people…that’s pretty slow.

Also RDNA? That’s techno babble. Like Star Trek level babble.

mRNA on the other hand is legit and is just how cells communicate via basically sharing their recipes. mRNA based vaccines just skip a bunch of steps and tell your cells what antibodies to make by straight up telling them instead of giving them dummy targets to learn and fight from.
Side benefits being even less side effects or reactions from the immune response learning to attack the virus you are trying to immunize from.

Any virus like covid will still be affecting people, its just probability. It's fair to say that in 2024 covid is gone

Is it though? A lot of people are still dying across the globe from it. Despite of having the advantage of vaccines (because of the un vaxxed to an extent.) that we didn’t in 1812.

That being said that pandemic took 5 years to officially end…this ain’t vanishing any quicker.

The pandemic ended in 2022, officially last year, idk how you got 5 years. I haven't heard covid in the news for years. Dude, be for real.

I as referring to the one in 1812

My bad. Still, Covid is over. People still die from the Plague, yet the last time it was called current was 500 years ago

Not really don’t get me wrong it’s scaling down but it’s still a problem.

Oh also I meant the 1918 pandemic not 1812 (the war where the White House burned down.) sorry not enough coffee when I typed that.

Lol, I get you
I'm just saying, like any virus, it will never not be a problem. But there's a large difference between a virus being a problem and a pandemic, and I think it's safe to consider the Covid pandemic done and dealt with

I wouldn’t Go quite that far just because mutations but I’d agree that we’re close to the tail end of it being a serious problem.

But even if we’re not on the same page at least we can agree we’re on the same chapter.

Something like that lmao