No Choice For Men

Its not a black or white issue, there are alot of nuances, and its a discussion between you and the women and nobody else.

It's actually a discussion between her and her friends and I'd be completely out of the picture. But go on.

You aren't the person that has to go through the pregnancy, you aren't the person who has to suffer through one of the most painful things humans can endure for that child, you aren't the person who could potentially die giving birth. And I guarantee you that you don't know as much about womens biology than most women. Putting significant power over an issue in the hands of the group of people that know significantly less on average about the people effected by the issue, instead of the people effected by the issue, is a recipe for disaster

My responsibilities by law are nil during the pregnancy but after the child is born they go to 100% and the woman gets all the rights to the child. That's eighteen years of my life vs. nine months of yours and the pain of childbirth. I have by far the most to lose if the woman chooses to keep the child and I'm still against abortion because I'm a moral and decent person.

Women who think abortion should be legal either have a deficiency in that morality or are in love with irresponsibility as women tend to be. Men who are for abortion are almost always simply ignoring their moral faculties and/or trying to get laid and end up looking like creeps. Nothing creepier than a male feminist, I say. Nothing more seethingly obsequious and desperate.

And not as many women die in childbirth as you say. If your fearmongering were true there would be a LOT less women around. I guarantee it. And I'm for that. There needs to be less women. You people are f*cking everything up. We can't have nice things because of you.

I should state this very clearly: Almost every single abortion performed happens before the fetus can be classified as alive, and most performed after that happen due to medical reasons. The idea of all abortions being the murder of a baby is blatantly false, now I can respond to everything else you said.

You saying that the women who want abortions are "in love with irresponsibility" just shows how little you care about the children that will be born if abortion is banned. I don't think I could express with words, just how horrible the idea of forcing someone who can't handle responsibilities to have children is.

And you are failing to mention that wanting to be irresponsible isn't the only reason that abortions happen. People can get pregnant from incest or SA, and in those cases forcing the child to be born would be immoral.

The amount of people dying from giving birth being low does not mean that it wouldn't be a massive issue that'd arise from an abortion ban. if people are dying, people are dying.

I also have to appreciate the blatant sexism in this comment, a lot of people in this stream aren't that honest.

It's like you've never heard of adoption...

If I made exceptions for incest and SA would you see my side and ban abortions in all other cases?

And "classified as alive." When is that exactly?

The adoption system is already overcrowded enough, and in there, there is no guarantee that they'll have a good childhood. being able to put them up for adoption is not a good excuse to bring children into this world that wouldn't otherwise. And why did you bring up women who don't want responsibilities if they can just put them up for adoption?.

If you made exceptions for SA and incest I would be happy that you're recognizing some of the major issues with an abortion ban, but that isn't every major problem.

And by "classified as alive" I mean when they start having brain activity, which happens around the 8th week.

Another sign of how messed up our adoption system is: People rent women's bodies and buy babies. You know what every single one of those people should be doing without exception? I'll give you a hint. It starts with "a" and ends with "doption." That's what every single one of these narcissists who do that should be doing instead. And people like you say the adoption system is "overcrowded." Get outta my face! Shame on you.

No, the adoption system is not "overcrowded" at all. More people want to adopt than there are children. That's a fact. The adoption system in this country is Satanic, though, and so onerous that plenty of people adopt kids from CHINA rather than here. Think about that. Celebrities steal babies from Africa rather than adopt here. So don't give me this "overcrowded" crap. That's not even in the least bit true considering our low fertility rates at this point in time. You should be ashamed of yourself for that one.

The babies are in this world before they are born. They just so happen to be in a uterus at the time but they are in this world. Unless you disregard the laws of physics.

And your silence about my question about exceptions I take as a "no" so actually the problems you think I see, I don't. You are dishonestly using those cases as a way to give yourselves rights to murder babies which I do not think you have and this is proof unless you clarify your answer here as "yes." My answer is consistent here.

"Around the eighth week." You have to be more exact than that lest you commit murder on an innocent baby. And that murder is made even worse considering the reason which is almost always the sake of convenience.

And yet these points are from the same people who say, "Men can get pregnant."