Gay = 🏳️‍🌈

Transgender = 🏳️‍⚧️
Big difference.

Yup

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your ego > your iq

You cannot define what is and isn't natural, it's ok to be LGBT, nobody gets hurt if I go date a guy

On ur reply on purpose.

I feel like we're going in circles here but let's hash it out lol

First, yes not everyone is homosexual, but again homosexuality is unnatural because, again, the purpose of marriage is procreation.

Second, I never said the purpose of life is procreation, I Said that the purpose of MARRIAGE is procreation.

Third, yeah life does have a purpose.

Homosexuality is natural, why do you think it's unnatural

i already told you how it was unnatural, scroll back

What if I told you homosexuality appears in the animal kingdom

I can even list some of the species where it has been observed

Black swans
Albatross
Blue ducks
Ibis
Mallards
Penguins
Vultures
Pigeons
Amazon dolphins
American bison
Multiple species of bats including,
Grey-headed flying fox
Bonin flying fox
Indian flying fox
Rafinesque's big-eared bat
Common bent-wing bat
Serotonin bat
Bechstines bat
Long-fingered bat
Daubenton's bat
Little brown bat
Greater mouse-eared bat
Whispered bat
Natterer's bat
Common noctule
Leisler's bat
Common pipistrelle
Brown long-eared bat
Barbastelle
Greater horseshoe bat
And the Lesser horseshoe bat

Moving away from bats and into other mammals:
Bottlenose dolphins
African elephant
Asian elephant
Giraffes
Olympic marmot
Hoary marmot
Lions
Polecats
And also Multiple species of primates including:
Bononos
Gorillas
Japanese macaques
And Orangutans

Back to other animals:
Sheep
Spotted hyenas
Whitetail lizard
Geckos
Aldabra giant tortoise
Dragonflies
Fruit flies
And bed bugs

Ok shoot

I would believe it, but humans aren't frogs, snails, or whatever other animals there are like that. Besides not being any of those species Humanity also possesses Reason, which no other species can boast of (or even has the ability to boast of cause they don't have reason lol)

Also, I believe the species you are referring to have the ability to change their sex so as to reproduce. But regardless of how those animals go about it, it still has a purpose, being procreation which is possible for them. However, they act on the instinct since they are incapable of reason, it has nothing to do with love

I can see that this argument is going nowhere, I think we both are beginning to realize that neither one of us will change our opinions, although we may not agree I hope you have a nice life

Aight, well good debate. I'm always open to discussion!

On ur reply on love:

Yes of course! Love is essential to marriage. Marriage is impossible without love. But you have to understand that it has to be a good love.

In the English language it is a bit tricky. Real love is defined as "Willing the good of another" which can defined into smaller subgroups (50 approximately; Agape, Philios, etc). But the problem is MANY people define love as "What makes me feel good."

In marriage the four main types of love are necessary, those being Agape (Charitable Love, willing one good above all things), Storge (Affectionate Love, familiar things that one likes, family for instance. More examples of Storge from "The Four Loves" by C.S. Lewis.

"It lives with humble, un-dress, private things; soft slippers, old clothes, old jokes, the thump of a sleepy dog’s tail on the kitchen floor, the sound of a sewing-machine…”

Then the other two loves, Philia (Love of friendships, or "brotherly love," a love where two individuals share something in common.), and finally Eros (Romantic Or Sexual Love, which Philia can develop into between a man and woman.

But in a homosexual relationship you can never develop Eros (sexual love), as it is impossible, despite what someone in a homosexual relationship might say. Remember the base definition of love, "Willing the good of another." Just to perform a sexual act does not mean you have Eros. This also goes for a heterosexual relationship. Just because you have a sexual act doesn't mean Eros (willing good in a sexual way) and it just becomes Lust, which is essentially what most people define as love. The "What makes me feel good" returns. Same in a homosexual relationship. Except It can never be true sexual love, Eros, willing the good of another in a romantic or sexual way.

So in conclusion, homosexuality cannot work. The ability to bring new life is impossible (the purpose of marriage) and it also impossible to have an Eros type love for one another (absolutely essential)

Why do think that Eros can't be developed in a homosexual relationship, just because it's not man x woman doesn't mean it purely lustful

Because it cant create new life, which is the point of both sex, and marriage advice a whole.

Marriage as a whole* lol

But just because it doesn't create life doesn't mean it only lust, it's still love whether it makes kids or not, and love is wonderful

Yes love is wonderful. And yes you make a valid point that it isn't necessarily lust. However you can only experience the other types of love; Agape, Philia, and Storge in a homosexual relationship. But those aren't the point of marriage, while you need all four in a fruitful marriage. Again the point is procreation, through Eros. If you can't have that then it's fruitless.

Again ask yourself the question, "What if everyone did it?" If you believe that this is right, then there should be nothing stopping everyone from being homosexual. But that couldn't work. No one would be able to procreate. Human extinction.

But not everyone is homosexual, that's the thing, there are plenty of straight people and that won't change, it isn't our duty as humans to procreate, we don't have a duty or purpose so why do you claim people need to?

Original equation: Man + Woman = Baby

If you don't follow this formula then everyone around you including yourself will get hurt

But how, how will people get hurt

Well homosexual acts are disordered because they are contrary to natural law. More specifically, life. The reason sexuality is beautiful is because it brings life. Homosexuality isn't about bringing life, because it is impossible.

They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. In this way you are harming yourself in several ways. For instance, conditioning yourself to look for an unnatural relationship, or being in an unnatural relationship. It harms the person your "partner" by affirming such an unnatural relationship and it affects everyone else in smaller ways.

Let's be clear that the purpose of marriage is procreation (sex). And I don't mean just the act, but also the new life it brings.

YEESH THAT TOOK FOREVER XD

But not everyone wants children, along with that, a gay couple who wants kids could adopt, that would actually be very helpful because there are so many orphans. Also you didn't say why it harms others

First of all if you don't want kids then your missing the point of marriage entirely.

Second, yes adoption is a wonderful opportunity to give children a chance at a family they had lost somehow. However if it is a homosexual relationship then that is another example of harming someone (which I did mention before but here's more). A: you're exposing the child to a harmful and unnatural relationship. B: the child will never have a balanced family life. A healthy child needs both a Father and a Mother.

Now I understand that in single parent families this is challenging, and there's nothing wrong with being a single parent family when it's beyond control. But a single parent family is not what marriage is meant to end in. Don't get me wrong, I greatly admire a single mother who'a husband left her, or a single father who's wife left him. But again, marriage is not meant to end up to anything less then a simple equation. Man + Woman = Baby.

replying to your latest comment, I simply wanted to point out, not everyone is homosexual :>

What about love, can't marriage be about love, or have we truly become hollow.

Let me also say this.

We know that Man + Man =/= Baby, or Woman + Woman =/= Baby. Biological Fact.

So ask yourself this question. This question is pretty good for cross examining any moral situation: What if everyone did it?

In this case specifically: What if everyone was homosexual?

Humanity would become extinct. Without the ability to procreate, no new human life would be brought into existence. In essence, there is no way for homosexuality to thrive, as it is in fact, unnatural.

About ur list.

What's the source?

I can make you a bibliography if you like

That doesn't be great thx! Caution tho, u give me it I'm definitely gonna follow up lol

Darn auto correct lol
That would be great*

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s3Z1BLVBci6JxTuL7cC5xiNiTjReFHIumRXINbi6i74/edit?usp=sharing please note that this bibliography is not in propper format, I didn't feel like doing all that extra work

also, something you said earlier piqued my interest, can we meme chat

Thx and sure! I followed u