Being a meany face for clicks obviously

i don care

At least you’re honest about it unlike Wawa

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It literally does

“If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭20‬:‭13‬

It doesn’t.

Male historically means younger than a man. Man means adult.
The verse is against pedophillia, but I understand you wouldn’t see it that way.

The historic word you’re talking about is “zakar.” It just means male, and it has nothing to do with age. It has to do with gender.

Even if you want to put that aside, think about it in context of the verse itself. If it was really talking about pedophilia, the verse should say you shall not lie with a man as with an ADULT. But instead, it says as with a woman. It’s providing a difference based on gender, not age.

Furthermore, it should also say you shall not lie with a girl as with a woman since straight is the default especially in context of the Bible. But no, this verse is going out of its way to say man.

Even if you want to put THAT aside, there are no other verses in the Bible that condemn pedophilia while there are at least 5 other verses that condemn homosexuality.

But why does it matter to you? Why can’t you just accept that the Bible condemns being gay? You don’t believe in it anyway. It doesn’t affect you at all.

But it does affect us. When your country has a majority of religious people who use their book to try and ban you from being a teacher, or ban you from being married, it becomes an issue.

But you don’t believe in it. “The Bible says it’s wrong” shouldn’t be a legitimate reason to you. But instead you’re trying to redefine what the Bible says in order to prove wrong the people who actually understand what it means.

You could easily say to keep religion out of government. And we’ve done that already. A lot.

I think making it so that religion has 0 influence on lawmaking would be great.
I don’t care what religious people think, unless they hurt people for what they believe

Clearly you do care what we think because you’re trying to redefine the laws for a religion you don’t even believe in.

I’m all for getting religion out of government as well because power brings forth corruption.

People misinterpret books all the time. Just because I interpret something differently doesn’t mean I’m right and your wrong, it means we have a difference of opinion.

Do not start with me on that. None of what I said was an opinion.

When you have a book as widespread as the Bible, people are bound to have different interpretations.
Remember, nobody but the church was allowed to read a Bible until Martin Luther translated the book.
This means that the Bible could have been rewritten or edited to fit the church’s point of view.
Why is it that the Bible still says women are men’s property, or that they shouldn’t be teachers? Because the men who ran the church benefitted.

Look at the translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls or the found manuscripts of every single book in the New Testament that predate the Catholic Church and they all say the same thing. It’s been proven that those found texts translate to 95% of the current Bible and the remaining 5% is grammatical snd structuring differences.

But hold on why are you bringing THIS up? All I was saying originally is that the Bible is condemning homosexuality and not pedophilia. You tried rebutting it, and I proved you wrong already. But now that it doesn’t say what you want it to say, now it’s an inaccurate book?

Like I said, you don’t believe in it and you don’t care. Why is it so important to you that the Bible doesn’t condone your lifestyle when it absolutely shouldn’t be important in the slightest?

It’s not important to me. But I’ve had to refute the Bible, because every single time I ever mention my sexuality (whether someone asked it in real life, on YouTube, Imgflip, etc.) I always get the same response from a religious person.
“That’s a sin, you’ll go to hell and be eternally tortured unless you accept Jesus and God, our loving father”
You’ve made it my problem, and get mad when I try to make it not my problem anymore.

Again, why do you care if someone tells you you’re going to hell if you don’t believe in it?

Because someone saying you deserve to be tortured for infinity is hurtful.
Regardless of whether it exists or not, it’s rude and can really hurt somebody.
If I told you “I wish you would go to tartarus” that’s rude too. Even if you don’t believe in it, it’s not nice.

Interpretations differ? I still have yet to hear from you how my points were wrong.

There’s a big difference between reading the Bible and understanding the Bible. The fact that you’re trying to redefine what it says tells me that you don’t understand it.

https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/redefining-leviticus-2013/amp/

They’re not saying they “wish you went to hell.” They’re saying you ARE going to hell. It’s a warning, not an attack.

“You are going to be kidnapped and tortured until you die by the Illuminati”
That’s okay I’m your eyes? We know the Illuminati isn’t real, but it’s still a very rude thing to say.

The argument is only pointless because you keep ignoring it and are still harping on about me. That’s the definition of ad hominem.

But now that you mention it, the fact that I grew up in the church and have read the Bible means I know what I’m talking about.

I still have yet to hear you prove any of these points wrong.

I’ve read the Bible many times.
Interpretations differ. That’s the point.

Yes unironically. It’s pretty meaningless if you don’t believe in it and it’s not an attack. Unless I try to prove it to you, but that’s not the point of this conversation.

The point I’m still making is that the Bible condemns homosexuality, not pedophilia. Don’t try to redefine what it says to justify your own lifestyle.

There’s no use arguing against indoctrination 🤷‍♂️

I did have the choice. You literally admitted that I did. I constantly make the decision every day. Just because you grow up in a Christian family doesn’t mean you will automatically become a Christian. But I chose to.

Also, no. That makes no sense. My point is exactly the same one way or the other. You have not proven any of my claims wrong at all in this thread. Because instead of attacking the actual argument, you’re attacking me.

This argument is pointless.
If you were told your whole life that something is true, you will believe it.
You did not make the choice, it was made for you.

You’re not wrong. I’ve literally been told by people that if God doesn’t accept them being gay, then they’d rather go to hell. There’s nothing I can do about that.

Nope, religious indoctrination from birth is what happened to you.
I was given a choice in what to believe. I chose to believe science.

Once again, you pointing out how I grew up in the church does nothing to prove any of what I said wrong. It’s just another straw you’re trying to grasp at.

If I was born in a Muslim family but then became a Christian later, my point would have no more or less ground than it does now.

My point is that you literally cannot make a valid argument when you haven’t had the choice to choose what you believe.

If you were an atheist arguing this point, it would be way different.
And your point would have more ground if you changed your religion.

Sure, I did grow up in the church. That doesn’t mean any of my claims in this thread were wrong.

Also, I made an active decision to stay in the church after I left my parents. Most teenagers who grow up in the church do not. There’s data for this stuff.

And going off my last comment, there’s more to indoctrination than just religion.

You were taught “this is right, this is wrong”
You were not given a choice.
Sure, it’s your choice when you grow up,
But that doesn’t mean it was your choice to be forced to go to church.
That I the definition of indoctrination