Since the left were for closing everything and requiring vaccine proof for everything during covid...

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Garnet0114
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Dr.StrangmemeM
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Octavia_Melody
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"monkeypox outbreaks have been happening at gay bars and nightclubs"

Source?

"Yes you are ignoring public health guidelines in the name of protecting a certain group you are way to soft for"

So where did I say anything about ignoring public health guidelines? I don't even know what the second part means. I believe all people should be treated equally, and because gay people have been mistreated for a long time in this country I support them fighting for their equality.

"and this certain group is disproportionately engaging in selfish irresponsible behavior that's causing a public health crisis (I also think straight people shouldn't f**k strangers and spread STDs)"

Which is why promoting safe sex practices is so important

"you want special treatment for a group you think is "oppressed" even though they are treated equally"

Now you're just flat out lying. Not only have I never said I want special treatment for gay people, I have repeatedly said I want them to be treated equally, as in, treated the same as everybody else. If you're going to lie, then you have no credibility or integrity. The meme you made specifically advocates singling out gay people for discrimination. I want all people to be treated equally, and you're accusing me of saying they should get special treatment.

"This has nothing to do with discrimination, this is about temporarily shutting down places that have disease outbreaks"

You haven't shown any evidence that there are disease outbreaks at gay bars, and you've already acknowledged that straight people also spread STDs. So why aren't you saying we should also shut down bars where straight people typically go?

"Once again, shutting down places that have disease outbreaks is not the same thing as denying services to people just for being minorities"

And yet I think it's pretty obvious that you're using the excuse of a supposed disease outbreak to justify shutting down gay bars but not any other type of bar.
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y
"I do not want "unequal treatment" of anyone, you are strawmanning me"

Like how you strawmanned me by saying I want special treatment for gay people when I never said that?

"not letting ANYONE go to places with disease outbreaks is not the same thing as denying service to certain minorities everywhere else"

It is comparable when you're singling out one specific minority group and wanting to shut down places they congregate.

"Don't you realize the unequal treatment blacks had was actually being denied service for being a minority and being segregated. Not allowing gays (or anyone for that matter) at places that have disease outbreaks isn't the same as denying people service for being minorities."

I'm seeing some very disturbing parallels between the type of language you're using and the type of language used by another group of people who wanted to go after a minority group and said they needed to be singled out because they spread disease. It didn't end well for them. And by them, I mean both groups.

"Both gays and straights can a dating life in the same places as each other where they aren't discriminated against or being segregated"

You're undermining your own argument here. The whole point you were trying to make was that gay people are more likely to spread monkeypox and that's why places they congregate should be shut down. And now you're saying they should be free to congregate at other places. Which is it? Do gay bars need to be shut down because gay people spread monkeypox, or should gay people be allowed to congregate wherever they want because they're not a public health risk?

"How is that in anyway like some sort of unfair treatment or pro-discrimination law?"

Because you're singling out one specific minority group for this to apply to.

"Frankly you comparing your made up gay persecution complexes to the actual oppression of black people is a disgusting tactic exploiting another person's suffering to gain points for yourself in the oppression Olympics."

How so? Can you explain this to me? Are you saying gay people have not been oppressed in this country, ever? So when a conservative sets off a bomb at a gay nightclub in Atlanta, shoots up a gay bar in New York City, shoots up a gay nightclub in Orlando and kills four dozen people, or when gay people are harassed and intimidated and fired and kicked out of the military and thrown out of their homes and even murdered, you just want me to pretend that doesn't happen? I don't think so.
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Octavia_Melody
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Garnet0114
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Just so you know, I'm being only facicous but even if such restrictions were in effect, closing certain businesses isn't the same thing as denying gays the right to go anywhere at all, gays would still be able go to other restaurants, movie theaters, entertainment venues, etc without having vaccine proof. Also straight people wouldn't be allowed to the gay bars either if they were closed. And if requiring proof of vaccination at gay bars violates federal discrimination law, think about the vaccine passport laws you advocated for violated federal discrimination law demanding vaccine proof for everything in everyday life, especially how such policies disproportionately affected unvaccinated black and indigenous people of color who are vaccine hesitant for their communities suffered the racist history of vaccine trials such as the Tuskegee experiment.
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Octavia_Melody
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Garnet0114
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I get it, leftist logic: closing down everything to stop the spread of covid, perfectly fine. Closing down a certain type of business to stop the spread of monkeypox VIOLATION OF OUR RIGHTS!!! 

Also, a gay bar is not a person, gays can still date at any other venue.
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Octavia_Melody
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Garnet0114
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The WHO points out that monkeypox specifically is most spread among gay men who have sex with lots of strangers, not only gay men but disproportionately gay men. You think a certain group should be allowed to completely ignore public health guidelines just because you think they are "oppressed" and you don't wanna "hurt their feelings"? Yet your party shamed and demonized anyone who dared to even question covid restrictions. Very hypocritical of you to be concerned about one public health issue but not another that is more easy to control because you think it's "bigotry" and "oppression". I get it, you are all for equality, equal sharing of misery.

Also your analogy with black people and drinking fountains is a real false equivalency. There are no drinking fountains that are specifically for black people, those were gotten rid of decades ago. There are also no fountains that black people have a specific preference to because there is no point, it's just a fountain everyone can use. Also, even if gay bars and nightclubs were closed, gays can still have a dating life at any other venue people go on dates and it would not be all that different than their dating life at the gay bar. There are plenty of restaurants and bars that allow everyone regardless of gender or sexual orientation. It's not like every other bar is a "straights only" bar that gays would have difficulty getting into. How is closing certain bars while still letting gays go to other similar bars in anyway comparable to denying a black person a drink of water?
Octavia_Melody
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"The WHO points out that monkeypox specifically is most spread among gay men who have sex with lots of strangers, not only gay men but disproportionately gay men."

So what do gay bars have to do with that?

"You think a certain group should be allowed to completely ignore public health guidelines just because you think they are "oppressed" and you don't wanna "hurt their feelings"?"

When did I say anything about ignoring public health guidelines? You're talking about targeting a specific group of people and discriminating against them.

"I get it, you are all for equality, equal sharing of misery"

If that's what you think, you clearly don't get it

"Also your analogy with black people and drinking fountains is a real false equivalency. There are no drinking fountains that are specifically for black people, those were gotten rid of decades ago"

So you do understand the comparison I'm making

"Also, even if gay bars and nightclubs were closed, gays can still have a dating life at any other venue"

So by your logic it was perfectly fine for people to deny service to black people back in the day, because they could just go get food from another place, right?

You really don't seem to understand the point here. If you single out a specific group and say that places where they meet should be shut down, but it's acceptable because they can just go other places, that doesn't make it legal. You're not showing any actual legal or constitutional justification for closing down gay bars.

"How is closing certain bars while still letting gays go to other similar bars in anyway comparable to denying a black person a drink of water?"

Black people were not denied drinking water, but they were treated unequally. And that's what you're saying should happen to gay people.

What is your legal or constitutional basis for saying that only gay bars should be closed down?
Garnet0114
2 ups, 2y
First of all, monkeypox outbreaks have been happening at gay bars and nightclubs and also at a gay leather kink festival in Belgium. Yes you are ignoring public health guidelines in the name of protecting a certain group you are way to soft for, and this certain group is disproportionately engaging in selfish irresponsible behavior that's causing a public health crisis (I also think straight people shouldn't f**k strangers and spread STDs). My apologies, l realize you don't want equal sharing of misery, you want special treatment for a group you think is "oppressed" even though they are treated equally. I understand the comparison you are making and you are making outright false equivalency between two thongs that are not comparable. This has nothing to do with discrimination, this is about temporarily shutting down places that have disease outbreaks. I suppose there is no constitutional basis for shutting down a specific type of business but that also means there is no constitutional basis for shutting down everything and making everyone completely stop living their life at all. Once again, shutting down places that have disease outbreaks is not the same thing as denying services to people just for being minorities. I do not want "unequal treatment" of anyone, you are strawmanning me. You are once again making false equivalencies, not letting ANYONE go to places with disease outbreaks is not the same thing as denying service to certain minorities everywhere else. Don't you realize the unequal treatment blacks had was actually being denied service for being a minority and being segregated. Not allowing gays (or anyone for that matter) at places that have disease outbreaks isn't the same as denying people service for being minorities. Both gays and straights can a dating life in the same places as each other where they aren't discriminated against or being segregated. You keep saying I want gays to be subjected to the same unfair treatment as blacks during Jim Crow but I want nothing of the sort. I do want gays to be free to have dating life including at the same places straights are, just not at places with disease outbreaks. How is that in anyway like some sort of unfair treatment or pro-discrimination law? Frankly you comparing your made up gay persecution complexes to the actual oppression of black people is a disgusting tactic exploiting another person's suffering to gain points for yourself in the oppression Olympics.
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WE SHOULD CLOSE GAY BARS AND MAKE THEM REQUIRE PROOF OF VACCINATION WHEN THEY OPEN BACK UP; TO STOP THE SPREAD OF MONKEYPOX OUTBREAKS