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There are many types of atheists and many types of theists. I would say they are different sides of the same sphere.

Many dispositions certainly, but from my vantage point they're all stubbornly--often militantly--devoted to belief without proof. Different beliefs and different degrees of tolerance for divergent viewpoints, but ultimately defined by faith in the unprovable. I'll admit it's an extremely reductionist argument, but I'm confident I can produce more evidence to back it up than theists and atheists can to back up theirs.

Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. Not a belief in the lack of gods.

"Disbelief or lack of belief"...oh my...so I need to revise my chart to read "theist" and "anti-theist". And 95% of everyone, myself included, needs to stop misusing the term "atheist". As a scientifically minded person, I shall update my schema in the face of evidence which contradicts it.

So what tf is agnosticism then anyway? An archaic euphemism for atheist? To your point, it's probably a sub-set of atheism. Lol, labels

I got my definition from the American Atheists webpage. I like the more broad definition because it allows for things like agnostic atheism and Christian atheism. These types of definitions tend to change and evolve overtime. Probably not everyone would agree with me.

Nuanced definitions are some of the best ways of precisely conveying subtle distinctions between similar things. The key is consistency. Absent the adoption and use of standardized terminology, we may as well be farting at each other for all the meaning it'll convey. (We being people as a whole--I quite respect and enjoy your contributions to discourse.)

I also thank you both for your thoughtfulness and your tolerance of opposing views. Kudos, you're a dying breed! And in good company...

And a new player joins the game. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/

This is the definition of atheism I grew up with. Sounds like "love" has company in the category of "words asked to describe so many different things that they're virtually meaningless". Just as well, "love" was lonely.

“This generates the following definition: atheism is the psychological state of lacking the belief that God exists. In philosophy, however, and more specifically in the philosophy of religion, the term “atheism” is standardly used to refer to the proposition that God does not exist”

Yes seems like there many interpretations. We wouldn’t want love to feel unloved.

Here's a fun chart to further muddy the holy waters

I’m a gnostic theist, but I respect your right to your own beliefs.

Based on this rubric I'm an agnostic atheist, but I share the sentiment expressed in this article that "atheism" is a worn-out word...and that was from the 1850s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheism

"Atheism" has about as much precise meaning as "Feminism". If I was content to deal in matters likely to generate as many different answers as people consulted, I'd abandon nomenclature entirely and cede my beliefs to theism.

It makes sense that varying shades of atheism be discretely cataloged, but that would require everyone adopting the same language and definitions. On that matter I take the same stance I have on theism: I have no reason to believe it's possible, nor any way to prove that it's not.

Incorrect! There is actually evidence that the universe wasn't created by God and is not controlled by God. The big bang theory and many other theorys have been proven against God. I understand some people disagree with me, but these are facts. I am a man of science and facts, and an atheist ⚛️

Well yeah, but how do you prove god didn't do all that? (I don't believe in god either, but I do believe in the devil's advocate.) 😉

Fun fact the big bang theory was formulated by a Catholic priest. Theists can still believe that the universe began with a cataclysmic event like the big bang, because who's to say God didn't initiate it? Unless you were there you can't say for certain. It makes more sense if I see a fully assembled 10,000 piece puzzle on the table that it didn't materialize magically with a poof and some glitter, an intelligent being put it together with a plan in mind to make something. Why is it so hard to put credit where it is due? God created the universe.

Although I may not have evidence that God isn't real, you don't have good evidence that he is

So we're basically stuck not knowing? You feel everything that exists just happened by chance with no intelligence behind it like a car just happens to appear in your driveway with no intelligence behind it? It takes more faith to be an atheist than a believer.

I belive there is no god, and I've come up with theories and evidence, but I haven't confirmed he isn't real. If I did, I would have the burden of proof

I'm intrigued what is your theory and evidence. If its compelling enough for you then shouldn't it be for everyone?

If you'd like, I can join a call with you or something to discuss

Just like @Octavia_Melody said

Like TM said, atheism is just a lack of belief in gods. Whoever makes a claim has the burden of proof.

If somebody says that God exists, they have the burden of proof to demonstrate it. If someone says no gods exist, they have a burden of proof to demonstrate it. If somebody says they're not convinced any gods exist, they have no burden of proof, because they're not making a truth claim

A theist and an atheist walk into a bar. The bartender asks "are you a theist?" They both say yes. 😎

Which camp do you fall under?

Also God is beyond time and physical space, God is a spirit so how do you expect to get physical proof of a God? We use the evidence of Gods presence, like you can't see air but there's evidence it is around becuase you feel the wind you see a kite fly. You can't see gravity but try dropping a bowling ball on your foot and its existence becomes clear You can't see love or hate but only the manifestations of those things once put into action.