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Putin-bear-thumbs-up | When $60 billion for Ukraine is too much, but $10 trillion in tax cuts for the rich isn't enough: | image tagged in ukraine,ukrainian lives matter,conservative hypocrisy,conservative logic,tax cuts,tax cuts for the rich | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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We don’t owe Ukraine a nickle.
Let them fight and pay for their own damn war.
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It’s not so simple. A Ukrainian loss (or even a partial Ukrainian loss) would carry enormous costs for the rest of Europe and NATO. The Chinese are also watching Ukraine closely to see how many eggs to throw into the Russian basket and how much credence to give our stated commitments toward Taiwan.

It’s not charity. There are cold, hard, self-interested reasons at play here. The most vivid of which would be a Ukrainian refugee crisis like we’ve never seen before (the country has 40+ million people). Ukraine’s economy and production would fall under Russian control. The Baltic states and Poland could ditch NATO for its ineffectiveness and become Russia-aligned.

As it is, NATO’s calibrated assistance to Ukraine (military/financial aid, training, intelligence, but no boots on the ground and no state-of-the-art heavy weaponry) has actually strengthened the internal bonds of NATO and Sweden and Finland are being added to the mix, which is a game changer for the security environment of Northern/Eastern Europe.

Sell out Ukraine and we pay for it later. Only question: Pay upfront now or pay more on the back-end?
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F**k Ukraine. Use that money to rebuild bridges here in the US or give it to Chicago, Flint MI, and other US cities so they can get the lead out of our drinking water.
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As usual the wealthy has us arguing over scraps: in the case of Ukraine, roughly 1.5% of the federal budget. That's a high percentage estimate - not sure when the accounting is finalized how much of the so-far approved Ukraine spending will fall in the year 2022 vs. 2023, but I just lumped it all into 2022.

Tax the rich, on the other hand, and we can save Ukraine, spend enough on the military that China will never dream of f'ing with us in the Pacific, fix the bridges, clean up the water, provide universal healthcare, lift every child in America out of poverty, and give working moms and dads some paid parental leave too (a program which exists in virtually every other country not named Papua New Guinea).
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I agree with the sentiment, the rich definitely aren’t paying their fair share and they ought to, but the fact is that the rich don’t have unlimited money to tax. That’s not me being pro-rich, that’s just a cold hard fact. Even if we confiscated the wealth of every billionaire, we would only have enough money to run things for about a year. Not to mention if we were to raise taxes on them, they have the power to just leave, hence why so much wealth is stored in places like the Cayman Islands. That’s why if we want nice things like universal healthcare, we need to stop being the world police and stop funding proxy wars on the other side of the planet. It’s simple budgeting, you have to decide what’s more important to you and not just blow through all your money on pointless crap nobody needs.
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Russia's Ukrainian invasion last year - and really, it's part of an ongoing Russian invasion of Europe, only the latest chapter - as well as China's ongoing saber-rattling over Taiwan have made a convert of me in the military department. This is a different world than the one that existed when many of us first cut our political teeth in opposition to the Iraq War.

What we need in this era is high military spending, but focused on winning great-power conflicts against the likes of Russia and China, rather than on dropping multimillion-dollar bombs on terrorists in caves and spending trillions on trying to plant democracy in deeply Islamic fundamentalist countries that have never known it before.

This is actually now very mainstream thinking within the so-called military-industrial complex and foreign policy "blob." While griping about the deeply misguided 2000's-2010's era American interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq states a valid point, at the same time, it is very much fighting the last battle.

You want to Defund the World Police. Well, it turns out that having some kind of a rules-based order in the world is better than its absence. It's the underpinning of a global security and economic order that has enriched America more than most.

Now, when I say "enrich America," I recognize too many Americans have been left behind and too much of that wealth derived from globalization has gone into a few fat pockets. The solution is simple: Tax the Rich, fund infrastructure and social spending, and redistribute that wealth.

Despite the tremendous costs of Iraq and Afghanistan, the Bush tax cuts cost even more, and the Trump tax cuts compounded that, as this chart uses the year 2018 as an example show. Just these Bush/Trump policies alone (war, defense budget increases, unfunded tax cuts) account for more than the entire budget deficit. Now, post-2022, I don't necessarily have a problem with the defense budget increases, but the other policies are wasteful.
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Slavery and segregation were also very mainstream ideas at one point in time, they were still wrong though. To justify endless war and spending ourselves into bankruptcy while spouting zero thought slogans and grooming kids is the definition of what is wrong with this nation, which is why I am proud to stand against the insanity pushed by people such as yourself and why I refuse to ever back down when it comes to saving this great nation from those such as yourself who seek to destroy it.
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Ukraine…not a member of NATO
Taiwan… we have had a commitment for decades to ensure their sovereignty
Ukraine… only involved on account of the Biden Crime Families involvement and corruption
U.S. out of Ukraine!
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Because its just that simple. Build a wall damnit!!!! Derp derp
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