No offense to the LGBTQ community but you guys can be mad annoying

yes, i dont care if there is 100+ genders, there is only 2 and you know it

Or they're just personality traits

biologically yes

Actually, no.

Sex is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people.

Fun facts:

Flies have 4 male sexes.
Sea Horse males are the ones who get pregnant.
Human males are typically bigger and have more muscle mass than women.
Female spiders are typically bigger than their male counterparts

Of course, none of those facts are in any way related to humans (save for the human facts) but it should call into question: "what causes these variations." There are a myriad of factors that go into determining your sex and/or gender. For instance, if genetics were so simple as xx or x/y, why do we have males who look feminine and females who look masculine? Is it really so hard to imagine that the body cannot push its hormones beyond that state where you just look like the other sex? In fact, there are conditions in which a person will have all of the foundations for being one sex, but will lack the proverbial "plumbing" of the sex that they most identify with. Yet, because of what was readily available for inspection they were quickly assigned a gender at birth, which in itself is fine.

The group of where I’m from would immediately have the instinct to reply with a nerd emoji here

An instinct to "reply with a nerd emoji" huh? Fascinating.

9 year old alert

Really? I didn't know he was 9, my bad.

Kid if you're a boy you are a boy and if you're a girl you're a girl you play different counterparts in sex That's it

How do you play "Different counterparts" in sex?

this is a lot geez...but yeah

yeah, fair point
however, of course, in the case of humans, we were simply "given" (by nature) the two options of either masculine or feminine gender, each with their varying roles dating back to caveman times (oh boy am i gonna get called "sexist" a lot EVEN THOUGH WE WERE BASICALLY "SEXIST" BEFORE WE EVEN HAD TWITTER, INTERNET, ELECTRICITY, OR EVEN FULLY MANMADE HOUSING)

The cultural nature of mankind? Sure, but no entity beyond the human race told us "this is man and this is female and that's all there is." That's something our species decided. Case in point: Would you call these two people men? Could you call one masculine and one feminine? Could you call one Immasculine and the other Masculine? These are examples of genders.

Gender is a cultural construct, not a biological one.

If you just did sit on the fact that fem boys are boys then whatever not even going to argue with you anymore

Let me break it down to even simpler terms:

Gender is more closely associated to cultural identifiers to sexual identity; blue for men, pink for girls, rugged outdoors gritty activities for men, inside domestic and dainty for women.
Being that these identifiers are varied by culture, and and more definitions could be made, there can be as many genders as you have definitions for.

Sex is more closely associated to the biological characteristics that are found within your genetic makeup; what hormones you produce, what organs you have. This is what you mean when you say "there's only two genders." You don't mean genders, you mean two sexes. Even then, there are variations that aren't common within the human genome that break the rules.

There never was an argument. There was ignorance and enlightenment. If you seek ignorance, I cannot help you.

confused unga bunga

yes, that is true too

damn right

There's only two genders in conservative western culture as genders are culturally defined. Sex is the biological definition in reproductive classification based on physical, genetic and hormonal traits. Given that these traits can have inefficiencies or surplus, this leaves room for gray areas. It isn't common, but it happens.

Gender means if you're a boy or a girl

As defined by culture, yes. Cultures throughout history have had more than two genders. What has remained constant, however, was sex. Sex determines your reproductive role

All right I'll admit it there's three genders boy, girl, & birth defect

Sure, birth defect can be a gender if the culture dictates it so. However, birth defect is not a sex. A culture can also define a gender as "f**king idiot" but that doesn't make it a sex.

I mean if you were born with testosterone but you don't have a dick

Since this is an apparent dig, I'll assume that you're implying you're better because you have one? I guess that makes sense, since all your blood is down there for god knows what. Because if you actually used your brain (which I'm seeing some marked difficulty) you'd know that both women and men produce testosterone.

no bs i like it

which means?

Which part don't you understand.

all of it

summarize it or something

Lesson One, Culture:
Cultural Anthropology: Cultural anthropology is the study how people who share a common cultural system organize and shape the physical and social world around them.

Culuture: the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group

(So, these two entries highlight that culture is defined by the society that holds it. Science, specifically biology, is not a factor.)

Lesson Two, Biology:
Biology: Biology is a branch of science that deals with living organisms and their vital processes

Reproductive Biology: Reproductive biology involves the scientific study of the reproductive system. Improved understanding of reproductive biology can lead to new treatments for reproductive disorders, such as infertility.

(So, with these two definitions, it shows how regardless of culture, the language of body anatomy is universal. While not all-encompassing, the focus is to define and break everything down to as many boxes/classifications as possible.)

Lesson Three, Putting it in context:

Cultural term:
Gender: the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to SOCIAL and CULTURAL differences RATHER than BIOLOGICAL ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.

Biological term:
Sex: either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

In short, a culture can say there are as many genders as they like. However, biology shows us that there are usually one of two sexes within the homonid species.

IN SUMMARY:
If you want to mock those who are transgender, at least do it with the right approach, however faulty: "There are only two sexes."

Wow. I was about to tell you about how noncis people were simply fooled by societal norms. And then you just… incorporated it into your argument.

Which societal norms, and how?

Gender roles, and by forcing on people that women must be A, like B, and be good at C (and vice versa), when people don’t like B, they think they must not be that gender.

Ah, I see, you were complimenting my comment, it seems.

agreed, i usually respect these communites but then there's always like a random riot where they mess up innocent civilian's days and it makes me hate them again, thats why i always fluctuate between respecting it and going full homophobe

"yes, you have only really asked me valid questions, but you obviously type in a more civilized manner (i >can< of course type like that too, i'm just too lazy to bother with punctuation, capitalization, etc. in normal speech on the internet), and for the stupidity i'm simply just stupid, there's no reason for it"

I understand. It is regrettable that when we get to the core of the issue is when your patience for civil discussion reaches its end.

i'm someone who lacks patience in general... i don't mean to be rude or anything, but could we please end this conversation now? my singular brain cell is really struggling to handle this

Shouldn't base your opinion from one riot or disturbance (which could've been instigated by their protesters) and let that perspective influence your worldview of that entire demographic across the globe.

Even in the case of riots, it wasn't only until the last 20 years that they've been legally protected. Before then, they were openly attacked because of their identity/orientation. They're still reeling from the trauma caused from that. THey're still suffering the trauma because there are people who choose to hate them not because of how they act when they react to injustice, but for simply existing.

the "riots" were just one of many reasons why i'm like this, it was only an example, really i'm fine with stuff like this >so long as they don't force it onto other people<, that's when it reaches "not okay" territory and i go full homophobe mode again...
you make completely fair points though, i'm not trying to go against you or anything

That's fine. My point is, don't hate people who are LGBTQ because they riot - everyone riots when placed under extreme pressure. With this, you're making an excuse to hate LGBTQ, when White people riot, black people riot, Asian people riot, and so do Mexicans.

See what I mean? A good way to look at this is that they're having a moment of cathartic freedom that they've historically never really had. (Except for Greece, until the Romans came along.) The reason for their loudness is that they're finally given a voice. Now we actually have Neo-Nazis in America saying they're going to keep attacking power stations so long as we let LGBTQ have gatherings. These Neo-Nazis plan to attack water plants, power plants, and anything that has to do with infrastructure - including the internet. Their actions could kill a lot of people because of their hate for LGBTQ people.

again, i don't mean it for riots or whatever, i just mean that i usually respect them in normal cases, but hate them >when< they're forcing their beliefs onto other people that are just minding their own business, same with sexism, racism, etc. i'm fine with its existance so long as they don't force it onto innocent people who did nothing wrong, like, just because someone is gay it doesn't mean i want to brutally murder them with a machine gun, but if they start forcing other people to be gay >then< its a problem
i completely understand what you mean, we just live in such a chaotic world that it's difficult to express ourselves sometimes, and this entire comment thread is one of the first times i could finally open up my opinions without having to reply to a bajillion notifications from people

How do they force their beliefs on you?

not on me specifically, but like, on ordinary people minding their own business

So, how do they do this? Could you provide examples?
You say, "forcing their beliefs on others." Do you think their sexual orientation is a way of life that they choose?

it's difficult to explain, really, i'm simply too stupid to properly communicate with you, and i'm sorry for all of this

Why do you think you're too stupid to explain it? What makes you think my intelligence is so high? Haven't I only been asking you questions?

yes, you have only really asked me valid questions, but you obviously type in a more civilized manner (i >can< of course type like that too, i'm just too lazy to bother with punctuation, capitalization, etc. in normal speech on the internet), and for the stupidity i'm simply just stupid, there's no reason for it