Explain… explain!!!

Pretty sure Mahsa Amini didn’t hold a pregnant woman at gunpoint, nor was Fentanyl Floyd being oppressed by an authoritarian religious theocracy. What an utterly stupid statement to make, comparing the two.

Yes

Not sure how libertarians found their way into this group, but here we are

Regardless of whether George Floyd died from his actions, it was absolutely wrong for Derek Chauvin to use excessive force, and peaceful protests over that are perfectly fine, but many of these were NOT peaceful. There should be more restrictions on the power of the police and the FBI, but rioting and burning down buildings only makes it easier for people to justify giving the police more power. I know that many BLM protests were non-violent, and I respect the people in them who exercised their right to free speech, but others were violent riots, where misguided individuals violated other people's property rights. That's the difference between BLM and the Mahsa Amini protests: Mahsa Amini protests have been entirely non-violent against a massively tyrannical regime, while BLM resulted in riots in Minneapolis and situations such as CHAZ in Seattle.

I think the Amini protestors are certainly *less* violent than the regime. But I'm not sure it's accurate to characterize these protests as being *completely* non-violent. They've involved shutting down streets, overturning trash cans and police cars, resisting arrest, hurling objects at police, even deaths.

A Basij paramilitary force member was killed by protestors, resulting in several death sentences:

https://www.ibtimes.com/iran-sentences-five-hang-over-protest-linked-killing-3643972

The Iranian regime was certainly quick to label all this activity as "riotous." Is it? An open question.

I'm not sure violent vs. non-violent is the best way of looking at these kinds of events. Here are some other questions to ask: Is the killing justified? Is the regime corrupt? Is the cause just? What is freedom?

The American Revolution wasn't an entirely "non-violent" event, after all.

Upon examining the evidence, yes, such behavior is riotous.
Ultimately, the issue we disagree over is if the injustice being responded to justifies violent resistance.
Thank you for presenting the evidence regarding the Amini protests. I will do further research and re-evaluate my opinion.

I don't think perfect non-violence is a reasonable expectation when the regime is arresting, bludgeoning, torturing, and otherwise raining down terror upon its citizens. People are going to be angry about all that - understandably so.

Ukrainian resistance to Russia isn't non-violent. Allied (and underground partisan) resistance to the Nazis wasn't non-violent. American colonial resistance to the British wasn't non-violent. Just a few examples.

But I'm not endorsing wholesale violence as an answer, either. Two wrongs don't make a right. Cycles of reprisal always unleash the potential for even worse abuses down the road. For instance, the Russian Civil War was terrifyingly bloody, and also didn't ultimately lead to freedom for Russia, either. The USSR likely turned out even worse than the Czar's rule, if it had been allowed to continue. The ISIS jihadists who fought (and failed) to topple the regime in Syria would have probably been worse than even the unimaginably brutal Assad dictatorship.

No easy answers today, I'm afraid.

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The cops didn't know about either of those things when they detained Floyd. Nor would they have mattered. Floyd's biographical details are catnip for memers, but legally irrelevant.

A cop can legally kill a citizen only in self-defense or to save others. As there was no convincing evidence of a legal justification for the killing, Derek Chauvin was rightly ruled a murderer by a jury of his peers.

The Constitution protects everyone, even people you don't like.

That's correct. Whoever Mashsa is, died under suspicious circumstances after resisting arrest in Minneapolis and their death was used by various self proclaimed communist organizations as a get out of jail free card to justify 6 months of bloody political riots intended to ensure the suspected killer [former president Donald Trump] wasn't re-elected. 👍

i say f off to both of them

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