A Liberal "thinks" about ideology...

Ok. They aren't though.

OK. But they are. Just like the Bolsheviks and the Maoists. 733p59.jpg (click to show)

.... You even have a diagram proving you wrong!!!! Far right isn't labelled "actually leftism" in that diagram, is it? It's still the right wing. Nazism is still a right wing ideology. The fact that authoritarianism regimes have similar features doesn't mean that the right wing doesn't exist - it's still there!

You debunked your own narrative and didn't even realise it!!!

When someone thinks the Horseshoe Theory means two branched aspects of one ideolgy.

ideology.*

Hang on, Einstein... I never said the Right "doesn't exist," just that there aren't any Nazis there. My questions for you (and all the other liberals who can't process the truth) are: 1.) How, in your opinion, does the Left differ from the Right? (your response to that should be highly entertaining) and 2.) What parts of Nazism do you think are Right-wing? 6vu0v6.jpg (click to show)

Explain precisely the exact characteristics of National Socialism that strike you as ideologically Right... If you would please. If you'll try to co-operate, I think I can help clear up your confusion...

They're nationalists! It's in the f**king name! The left are globalists - remember that? The left wing is open borders and the abolition of countries - remember how you keep saying THAT when it suits you? Putting your country on a militaristic imperialist domination of race and culture is a right wing thing.

And I've told you before: when you define "left" as "authoritarian" it makes no sense because the terms left and right were used to describe the French Revolution where pro-monarchists were literally seated on the right wing of the assembly AND WHAT CAN BE MORE AUTHORITARIAN THAN A LITERAL TYRANNICAL KING????? Level of authoritarianism does not and never did define the left-right scale - that is some made up pack of lies. It is just not what those words mean. You are wrong!

Three things: 1.) I never defined the Left as "authoritarian." What I said was that Totalitarianism is a sickness of the Left, and it is. To be a Totalitarian is to be the most extreme kind of Leftist. Not every Leftist is a Totalitarian, but every Totalitarian is a Leftist.
2.) Nationalism and Internationalism are non-Ideological. I, for example, am a Reagan/Buckley/Goldwater Conservative Republican -- probably as far to the Right as any person you will ever interact with. But I am strongly in favor NATO, SEATO, ANZUS and our other treaty defense organizations, a limited kind of internationalism. Many liberals are effectively Isolationists, opposed to this kind of internationalism. So, clearly, the idea that Nationalism = Right and Internationalism = Left is inaccurate.
3.) You said: "Level of authoritarianism does not and never did define the left-right scale." If I understand you correctly, you are disputing that the Left is about Statism and that the Right is about Individualism. That is absolutely wrong, and I've said so from the beginning.

IDEOLOGY IS AN ARGUMENT BETWEEN STATISTS ON THE LEFT AND INDIVIDUALISTS ON THE RIGHT ABOUT THE PROPER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE STATE.

There's nothing more to it than that.

Yes you did, Phyl! Don't lie to me.

And again: go back to the French Revolution. Are you telling me that the monarchies, the restorationists of the House of Bourbon that had just been deposed for its cruel levels of state abuse - YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT THOSE WERE THE ANTI- STATE, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTISTS OF THAT TIME?

WHAT. UTTER. COMPLETE. TOTAL. NONSENSE.

Your definition of the left- right scale is what is broken here. It's dead wrong. It is a lie. Either someone lied to you, or you decided it was a lie that you wanted to propagate, or both, but either way, you got it wrong.

Sorry, I'm not following that... Orange Hitler actually is a far-left Totalitarian. How is that a lie? As for your French Revolution nonsense: I honestly don't care who sat on which side of the National Assembly in 18th-Century France. That may be where these terms originated, but it has nothing to do with what they mean today. The meaning of Left and Right have changed and adapted since the time of Robespierre, Cazalès and Maury. There are very, very few monarchists in 21st-Century America.
Despite what you've said, my views on ideology are spot-on. In any argument, the guy who wants to misuse the coercive machinery of the State to impose his thinking on everyone else is the Left-wing bad guy. So, Nazis, Communists, Democrats, Trump Chumps, and the so-called "Religious Right" are all bad, bad Leftists.
If you want to misuse the powers of the State to impose your beliefs on the people who disagree with you, you're the bad guy. It's that simple...

Yeah, I *KNOW* you don't care what leftism actually means! That's actually my entire point to begin with!!!!

Hey, I'm all for sticking to one's guns, but his boat has sunk so deep, Neptune's stepping on it.

The French Revolution is beside the point! That may be where these terms originated, but IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THEY MEAN TODAY. That's my whole point: people who believe as you do are hopelessly fixated on this 18th-Century nonsense and HAVE NO IDEA WHAT LEFT AND RIGHT ARE REALLY ALL ABOUT!

Of course, the real problem is that liberals want to live in the comfortable delusion that there's no evil on the Left: "Nazis can't possibly be Leftists because they're evil, and evil simply doesn't exist on the Left!"

Consider:

1.) You don't dispute that Bolshevism and Maoism are Leftist.
2.) You can't dispute that Nazism is virtually indistinguishable from Bolshevism and Maoism.
3.) You maintain that Nazism is not Leftist.

How do you rationalize this obvious contradiction: If Nazis are indistinguishable from Leftists, how is it possible that Nazis are not Leftists themselves? How is it possible?

What's the point you're trying to make? What are you trying to achieve, by repeating awkwardly forced partisan hack lies well after they were blasted apart by the simple truth those referring to actual original sources will, um, uh, concede what again?

He doesn't seem to know how the reply button works. And it looks like he's challenging us both to a goalpost we've already met.

Distinguishing between Nazism and Bolshevism and Maoism was literally the first thing I did.

Go ahead and reread the thread. Repeat until it sinks in. You were wrong and you've been wrong for as long an can you've been believing this nonsense.

"Distinguishing between Nazism and Bolshevism and Maoism was literally the first thing I did." When you told me that my argument was that the Right "didn't exist"? Look for the post that starts "Hang on, Einstein", read it carefully, then answer the two questions. You can't do it and we both know you can't do it and you won't even try.

Modda, you are also invited to take a crack at it if you like... Nazis and Communists are exactly the same. Same one-party police state, same concentration camps, same secret police... everything! Totalitarians are all alike! You can't distinguish one from the other because they are the same.

Dumbf**ks

Now you're starting to get it! Orange Hitler is indeed a big-State, far-Left Totalitarian... 6v2v4m.jpg (click to show)

This guy can!

That's very pretty... here's something that I made up... 736kmq.jpg (click to show)

In his very own words.