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Bullshit.
The money isn’t the governments money. It is the taxpayers money. Let them keep their money and spend it at the schools of their own choice.
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Fair, until the tax code is completely repealed, then government shouldn’t decide where to put any money anywhere but public institutions.

For private institutions to remain free and uncorrupted, they must not be corrupted by the government using our taxpayer money.
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sOsHuLLiZuM iZ wHeN Da StAtE DoZ sTuFf
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Pretty much!
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I suppose all those "back the blue" conservatives who want more funding and power to the police are socialists.
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Republicans love socialism. It’s both how they operate and will deny anything they like is socialist; but anything they don’t is socialism!

Republicans tend to want to privatize everything with the exception of two things.

The military and education.

While private militias do exist, their support is not reliant on public money. Meanwhile, Republicans are advocating taking money from public schools and putting them toward charter and private schools.

So tell me how that is not socialism?
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I hear the term 'socialism' thrown around a lot. The way I see things, the term is misused by both the left and the right. The American left (Bernie voters,etc.) refer to government and welfare programs as socialism basically because they don't have their terms right, the American right refer mere welfare programs as socialism also basically because they don't know their terms right and they think welfare is the equivalent of actual socialism even though it isn't. In reality the definition of socialism according to Marxist theory is an economy where capitalism is overthrown and the means of production are owned and controlled by the workers. Government programs existing alongside a capitalism economy isn't socialism, you are really conflating when you make such a false equivalency. Actual socialists hate it when people (Bernie voters, Republicans, libertarians and ancaps) refer to mere welfare programs as "socialism" not only because referring to welfare programs as socialism is inaccurate but also because they view welfare programs as a ploy by pro-capitalist governments to prevent the people from revolting against the capitalist system. Also certain government policies are necessary to hold up a capitalism such as protecting property rights and a police force to enforce basic law and order. I am also for welfare programs to help the poor such as universal Healthcare and school vouchers. I am for kids going to whatever private school their parents choose for the public "one size fits all" option doesn't work for all, kids need an education and some kids need an education different than the public schools for everyone learns in different ways.
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I do find it hypocritical of Republicans to be opposed to government programs like universal Healthcare but also be in favor of school vouchers which much like universal Healthcare is a government program designed to lower income people afford essential things they usually can't afford. The anti-government Republicans should admit that they do actually like these social welfare programs and these programs do in fact benefit people. Trump himself admitted that Australia has a better Healthcare system than America but when someone like Bernie Sanders advocates for universal Healthcare, they get booed and demonized as anti-freedom socialists. I also find it hypocrital of Republicans to deem universal Healthcare a "waste of taxes" but also keep using out taxes to fund the military, corporate subsidies and other things we don't want out taxes to be used for.

You are against school choice and you argue it defends resources that public schools need but here is the problem with the public schools, they don't deliver a quality education to the children and they waste the taxpayers money on bullshit. You have the public schools teaching critical race theory and distorted LGBT ideology and the public school teachers unions complain about being "underpaid" but are really looking for excuses to be lazy, do less work and sponge off our taxes just to have a more fattened up salary and more vacation time. I think school vouchers are a good idea, to have our taxes be used the way we want to let our kids have the quality education they need from a school that is actually focused on quality education.
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I was going to delete my initial response because I don’t think it adequately explains the situation.

I would have less of a problem with vouchers if the government wasn’t diverting funding from public schools.

We can bitch and moan, and agree, that there are problems with public schools all the live long day, but throwing public money at private schools doesn’t solve a damn thing. No one is complaining they’re overfunded or well-funded. Not even by modern liberal Republicans!

It doesn’t prevent wasteful spending on the teaching critical race theory and distorted LGBT ideology or public unions. It encourages it!

Republicans who are in power now and their harmful liberal voucher systems won’t disappear when Democrats inevitably get their turn at the chairs. Public education will be underfunded, the public will be forced to pay more into private education. Taxes go up! Republicans cut taxes, and divert public funds to private institutions.

Repeat infinitum and the result is public schools cease to be.

Unions go to charter and private schools.

CRT creeps into charter and private schools.

Liberal Republicans and Democrats argue to regulate these so-called private schools.

What do we have?

The exact same problem we have right now.
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Agreed but, I’m not talking about public schools just existing. Or government programs existing.

My beef is actual taxpayer money that should be going to public schools is going to private schools.

Voucher programs are fine on their own, and even likely still would raise taxpayer money but it would be cheaper and less of a tax burden to not have them at all.

The idea that there must be a choice even if you cannot afford the private option, has long been decried an entitlement and antithetical to a free market.

Yet, the difference here is Republicans don’t apply that same logic to education (and the military, yet).

Personally, I find it incredibly disturbing that the two crucial functions of our country to thrive and exist, that can’t simply be privatized or consolidated, are education and the military. And yet here, liberal republicans draw the line. For now they just say public education is too far gone. What happens when they say the same about the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Space Force that they do with the CIA, NSA, FBI, CDC, or any necessary government entity that they’re willing to defund or discontinue just because they perceive them as against them.

Despite huge bureaucratic and political gains through the court, they still claim the courts aren’t doing enough to satisfy their anti-liberalist agenda (which is ironically liberal in and of itself).

Private schools, magnet schools, charter schools are not a new thing. Nor is trying to divert public money to private entities to avoid unwanted government oversight new. These are the exact desperate measures that segregationists supported almost half a century ago.

That’s why everything touched by government is “corrupt” or “unsalvageable” by modern Republicans. They say to beware politicians that say “I’m the government, and I’m here to help,” yet worship populist Republicans like rock stars; who only care about sapping money from public institutions so that they fold, and either unwittingly pass on the same problems in public schools to the private and charter schools or worse take the so-called public option away and disenfranchise billions of children while claiming to wanting the exact opposite of this, and for what?

For what?

What do modern Republicans (former Southern Democrats) really want?

They’re forbidden to speak it, or too ashamed to admit it.

They know why public schools are being willingly sacrificed and it’s not for the good of the children.
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