More lies... let's send them 50 Billion more...

.... did the Ukraine lie to us about being full- scale invaded by Russia with the intent of annexation?

No. No they didn't. That's something everyone saw happening. Russia hasn't tried to hide it.

Well... even Zelensky said it was Biden and Nato's fault....

FACT

In case I never click that link

Ukraine didn't really have to try to get us into WWIII. Biden have running his mouth off talking about war. His aide have to keep trying to cover for all of his war declarations. Ukraine is corrupt but Biden has dementia and he's corrupt. He most likely will bungle us into a war that he has no clue how to fight.

Ukraine pretty much beat Russia all by themselves so either we DO have a clue how to fight it or we apparently have an ally who can teach us. Either way.

We gave Ukraine tons of money to help them defend themselves. And big chunk of that money was laundered back to the Democrat party. They used taxpayer dollars to fund many of the Democrats campaigns.

That's just like the Democrats. The Democrat motto: The ends justify the means. It matters not if it is legal, ethical or moral as long as it puts or keeps Democrats in power.

Oh we did? So you're saying we DO know how to fight that war? Well that would make you wrong then wouldn't it?

I never said that Dems know how to fight a war. However, Dems are experts on getting us into a war (WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam) and they are pretty good about keeping in wars that Republicans started (Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria). Where they really fail (on president in particular) is getting our troops, civilians and supplies back home.

That same president in particular who created the worst troop withdrawal in the history of this country is the one who talking about war, nonstop. His aides keep having to retract all of his statements because that same president is looked at like an absolute joke to Putin. I am 100% if Russia ever decided to declare war on the U.S. it would be while a Democrat was in control of the executive and legislative branches of the government, specifically this particular president who is the ultimate screw up. He has the lowest approval rating ever.

So.... while the Dems did pretty good in WWI and WWII they started to majorly wimp out by the time the Korean war came around. And in their Vietnam war they even turned on our troops and spit on them when they came home. Came home from fighting THEIR war.

Dems are also very good at sending other people to their deaths. That's why more US soldiers died in Obama's 1st term then in the entire 6 years Bush fought the war with Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember what Obama's campaign promise was before he was first elected? Remember? He was going to get all our troops out of the Middle-East within his 1st year as president. Do you remember that? And what did Obama do? He got us more involved in the Middle-East and in countries we hadn't been in before. He some how got the Kurds to stand down when they could have easily taken out ISIS. He sat and watched in video as our men and Ambassador Steven were slaughtered and he told our other troop (who could have easily stopped the attack) to stand down.

And you want me to believe that Dems know how to fight a war. Yeah, you do. You fight FOR the ones who are fighting America. That is how you know how to fight a war. You did that in Vietnam and you did that in the Middle-East. In Vietnam your side sent Jane Fonda over to POW camps where our soldiers were being tortured in and scolded our soldiers for fighting against the "peace loving North Vietnamese".

Does that answer your question? And no, I am not wrong.

And our point is?

I doubt if Biden can even remember how to tie his shoes. That colossal mistake he made in Afghanistan, he is the last person I would want to take us into war. And every time Democrats are in charge the always hamper the military from doing their job and that causes more of our soldiers to come home in body bags.

The thread is up for you to read again, if you've lost track of the point. Don't rush, that's how you miss important information.

The problem is that Ukraine didn't beat Russia. They don't have the military size and the manpower to stop Russia. Russia won't be happy until at least Crimea is part of Russia. Many Crimeans also want to be a part of Russia.

The fighting may have slowed way down but it's not over.

Is it that you're trying to take some sort of credit for Ukraine, then good luck trying two explain that to the people of Ukraine.

This is all over the place! You're apparently not aware that Ukraine DID stop Russia around Kyev in April, in the northeast in September, and in Kherson just last week. As it turns out, numbers aren't enough - Ukraine has been brutally efficient at destroying the logistical and command hubs of the Russian army (Russian command absolutely shredded, losing half their experienced commanders and replacing them with absolute novices).

Crimea has been part of Russia since 2014. If you didn't know that, how on Earth do you consider yourself in any position to lecture right now? It was a major world event when in happened, it was discussed extensively right here on imgflip politics, you couldn't have missed it! If Russia goes back home and all they have is Crimea, that's a war fail because they already had it!!!

tbf, he was been wrong on nearly everything he's stated, and on the rare occasion he states something approaching the truth (albeit, taken from a script), it is carefully snipped of context in order to deliberately turn it into a lie fitting a partisan hack narrative.

Witness this:

"more US soldiers died in Obama's 1st term then in the entire 6 years Bush fought the war with Iraq and Afghanistan."

Note he states only "Obama's 1st term" while conveniantly leaving out his 2nd, and put Iraq in along with Afghanistan because the numbers are actually the opposite with Iraq, with deaths in the latter in sharp decline under Obama. The circumstances in Afghanistan that lead to the uptick are likewise ignored by the script as well.

Lecture on what? Most of my comments were about how anti-American the Democrats are. I was not lecturing you about Ukraine. That's excellent that Ukraine was able to stop Russia for now. But you know Russia hasn't given up as long as Putin is in command. China will never accept Taiwan as an independent nation either. That's how imperialists act.

So then, are you claiming victory for the Democrat Party in Ukraine??? Is that what you're on about? Woo hoo!!! You dumped a bunch of taxpayer dollars into Ukraine. Some of it went to their war effort, some of it went to their corrupt government and some of it came back to the DNC to pay for campaigns for Democrat candidates in this last election.

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"keeping in wars that Republicans started (Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria)"

Um, what war in Iran and Syria are we in?

Trump made the deal to sign Afghanistan over to the Taliban after the US was at war with those terrorists for 19yrs, releasing 5000 Taliban prisoners and scedulaing to withdraw our troops in 2021. The Afghan gov't wasn't at the meeting, let alone part of the deal.

Biden's ratings are abysmal, 2nd only to Trump, and that's in a term framed by economic and plague malaise, not the good times Trump inherited from Obama.

"more US soldiers died in Obama's 1st term then in the entire 6 years Bush fought the war with Iraq and Afghanistan."

No, more US soldiers died in Afghanistan in Obama's 1st term than in 8 years under Bush, but not his 2nd term, which was far lower. The increase in death rates began in 2002, btw, and started to decline in 2011. Far more US soldiers died in Iraq in 6 years of Bush than 8 under Obama.
But you knew this already, yes?

Been awhile since 2008, but I can't recall (nor find) Obama having pledged withdrawals from Iraq and Afghanistan in a year. We do, however, all recall Trump 'promising' he would. Just because Dumpty's a pathological liar doesn't mean he gets a pass.

Obama never got the Kurds to stand down. In fact, they've risen to a de facto autonomous state, and Kurdish Peshmerga, along with Iraqi Shiite militias, did most of the fighting along with Iranian Quds force, all armed, trained, and organized by Iran via General Soleimani - yeah, THAT Soleimani, the one Trump assasinated after taking credit for his coalition's main role in the ousting of ISIL from Iraq. Same for Syria, where Trump abandoned the Kurds fighting ISIL for Erdogan

Truman started the Vietnam War, btw, and Fonda wasn't sent by anybody's side. Just some spoiled rich entitled attention seeking shitter trying to show daddy what a bad girl she's gone. You know, like armchair commandos commenting on wars they know nothing as if partisan is what matters. Political parties don't fight wars, they cash in on them. WWI & WWII were fought by Democrats? Really?Heck, what, you wanna give each registered member a Purple Heart? Did the GOPers stay home and suck their thumbs in all them wars too, all the while crying about their gonad boosting 2A going to be taken away? How sad.

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We didn't go to war with Syria, however some of the battles happened in Syria. Mostly between the Kurds and ISIS.

Yes, I know Trump made deal with the Taliban to withdraw from Afghanistan but that had absolutely nothing to do with the way Biden just screwed that all to pieces. Trump didn't say that he was going to leave 80 billion dollars worth of military equipment and 35,000 American civilians when we pulled out. That was ALL Biden.

Trumps approval rating is because of the nonstop lies the news and entertainment industry reported nonstop. Trump didn't earn his low approval rating, Biden did.

"No, more US soldiers died in Afghanistan in Obama's 1st term..."

The point I was trying to make is that Obama promised to get us out of the Middle-East in his first year. He failed to do that and only increased troop involvement in other areas in the Middle-East. And because of his failure he got more soldiers killed than Bush did.

"Obama never got the Kurds to stand down" Obama was on the side of ISIS, or as he called them ISIL because the L included Israel. Obama also referred to Jerusalem by the Arabic name Al Quts. Obama severely hampered our troops, making them second guess every time they fired their weapon and charging them with murder if they shot the enemy if the enemy was unarmed at the time.

"Truman started the Vietnam War". And what party did Truman belong to? Military action did not begin until LBJ.

"btw, and Fonda wasn't sent by anybody's side." Is Jane Fonda a liberal or a conservative? Did she not join with a whole lot of other Democrats, including John Kerry, in protesting the war? Does it matter if her daddy was rich?

"keeping in wars that Republicans started (Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria)"
was your statement, not mine. I asked about you about what Iran & Syria wars we were in.

Syrian civil war since the Arab Spring not ring any bells?
Trump flexing his little man balls to show Obama how it's done by bombing an old airstrip used by Russians after they were told to remove whatever prior to it? Donny claiming that the 2017 ops to oust ISIL in Iraq were his despite them being the final stage in plans drawn up in 2014?

You're repeating what I had said about the Kurds fighting ISIL.

Trumps deal, Biden didn't tear it up because despite Trump's neu-waye, we typically don't do that. We left equipment for the Afghan army, and disbabled the rest. If somehow them medieval Talibi idiots can operate and maintain that high tech stuff, then I'd love to see the footage for the larfs,,,
Oh, and those "American civilians" were Afghans who never ever even set foot in the US that were granted status for assisting us, you know, for money. They weren't left behind. They were left home. Sucks, they're at risk, but like the Afghan army we spent 20yrs training who cut and ran, they wouldn't be ideal in the citizen dept.

Trump's approval ratings are the lowest in history because his dunderhead cultists are the only ones that like the orange turd stain while no one else does. Weird, innit?

Again, and try to pay attention here, Obama didn't make a promise to withdraw all troops in his 1st yr, Trumpty did.
And again, the statement you posted skewed the numbers by leaving out the context. Chrissakes, least thing you can do it read them. Oh, and that uptick was partially caused by Obama's beginning of withdrawing soldiers. Can't have it both ways, fella.

A whole paragaph of lies about Obama. How delightful.

I said Truman? Obviously you should have corrected me correctly and said Eisenhower.
Congrats, I made one single error, and you let it slide in order to incorporate it into your bevy of lies. I'm truly grateful for the assist in covering my flubb, but I can deal with you calling me out on my only mistake. I got Ibuprofen stocked in the cabinet. I can deal.

I'm old enough to remember "Ain't fond'a Jane" and "Honoi Jane" but perhaps a bit too young to recall it being a Liberal thing or her being a Democrat. Last I heard Vietnam Vets got treated like shit by everyone, unless there was a ticker tape honoring them in Oinknads Oklahoma I ain't heard about...

The fighting in Syria happened under Obama. Like I said we did not go to war with the Syrian government. There was just fighting that happened in north east Syria on the Iraq border. Most of it was Kurds vs ISIS until the Kurds were told to stand down.

Wow... I did say Iran. Clearly that was a mistake. However, Obama forced a deal in which we gave Iran everything they could ever want to create nuclear weapons under the guise of setting up their nuclear energy program. The same nuclear energy the left fights tooth and nail from happening in the United States. It's okay for the rest of the world to have nuclear energy and Democrats will hand over taxpayer cash to build it but we can't build nuclear plants here in America. Hydro-electric and Nuclear energy are the the highest producing "green" energy production but the Dems want to shut that all down and build windmills and solar panels on every square foot of land in the country. But that is another issue.

"Trump... show[ing] Obama how it's done by bombing an old airstrip used by Russians..."

I never said Trump was perfect. Trump did a lot of things I don't agree with. It is just in weighing the pros and cons with Trump over any Democrat, Trump wins. I would have much rather a real conservative rather than a populist.

"Trumps deal, Biden didn't tear it up because despite Trump's neu-waye, we typically don't do that. We left equipment for the Afghan army, and disbabled the rest."

Is that how the left wing media is spinning it? Unfortunately for you that is just not what happened but I don't read Mother Jones, watch MSNBC or the Young Turks, so...

So, what you're asking me to believe is that Trump crafted a troop withdrawal plan that including leaving US citizens and billion of dollars worth of military hardware behind and if any conservatives financed a private rescue effort then the State dept must shut them down (which actually happened). And after Biden gets in the White House and begins writing one executive order after another, reversing anything Trump inacted, Biden gets a hold of Trumps troop withdrawal plan and says, "well there's a plan I can get behind" and instead of rejecting it because it had Trump's name on it he moves forward with it. Is that what you're asking me to believe? That makes Biden even much less competent to be president than he already is.

Ok, I deleted it and will redo it later.

The accusation was regarding the last paragraph, btw.

You don't have to.

There it is. I was wondering how long it would take before you started calling me a liar.

Buh bye.

I am not upset, offended, despairing, agitated, hurt, bitter, down, dismayed, disquieted, mournful, distressed, muddled, rattled, bereaved, ruffled, troubled, melancholy, unsettled, in disarray, depressed, unglued, enraged, exasperated, outraged, dejected, resentful, despondent, affronted, infuriated, put out, riled, glum, forlorn.

Nor am I down in the mouth, annoyed, down in the dumps, blue, cheerless, heavy-hearted, irritated, in doldrums, languishing or chagrined.

Because I'm just here to have a good time.

Regardless, when someone resorts to name calling there is really no further point, rationale, passion, grounds, need, debate, aspiration, discourse. will, urge or desire to continue the discussion, dialog, diatribe, debate, conversation, communication and so on.

Oh no, Ukraine brought an ally to a fight. How dare they.

LOL... I can see some people didn't learn it is never in the US interest to support corrupt regimes...

Ok. So why should Russia get to take it over?

Yes... 0bama gifted Crimea... got it...

I don't think you do

"Tell Vlad I'll have more flexibility after the election"

Ok. So we should support Ukraine getting Crimea back.

You know what? I'm feeling generous. I'll even tell everyone you get credit for the idea.