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I'm genuinely curious what you think. | There are no wrong answers. Should one person's vote be equal to another? 
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For most of our history, the Electoral College simply went the way of the popular vote, and it was redundant. But we're living in a highly contested political period where that's no longer the case.

Allowing a minority of voters to rule a majority of the country (as happened in 2000, and again in 2016 -- and could conceivably happen again in 2024 and beyond) is a recipe for unideal government, and civil strife.

We're the only country that calls itself a democracy and has anything like the Electoral College. When other countries were setting up their democracies and looked to America for inspiration (as many of them did), they left out the Electoral College, for good reason.

Supporters of the Electoral College say it favors citizens of small states. While that's true to an extent, that's not a good reason to effectively disenfranchise citizens of large states in equal proportion.

Further, that's not what actually happens as a practical matter. No candidate makes a stop by Wyoming - even though it's small, it's solidly Republican and will be for the foreseeable future. There's no reason for either candidate to make a stop there, or to consider Wyoming's interests at all. The same could be said for other red states like Idaho, Arkansas, and Mississippi. The same could also be said for small blue states, like Delaware and Rhode Island and Hawaii.

What the Electoral College actually does is super-empower voters in a small number of large-ish (and Electoral Vote-rich) states that fall in the category of "swing state." These days, that list is easy to recite: Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada. (Former "swing states" like Florida, Ohio, Missouri, and Virginia have all gone solidly Republican or Democrat.)

Voters in "swing states" might have a greater say in our future, but they also don't particularly like all the outsize attention and campaign ad spending. Every 2-4 years, the entire American political universe descends on these small handful of states, and it's annoying and unnerving.

Abolish the Electoral College and what you'll see is candidates make their pitches to a much broader slice of the country. Both parties will moderate their platforms since they'll have to compete for votes everywhere. And we'll see higher turnout and voter engagement everywhere since voters, wherever they live, will know that their vote counts equally and fully.

Didn't mean to go on for that long, but thank you for attending my TED talk.
1 up, 2y
I mostly agree with your opinion of it. Only because I’ve never understood the modern reasons for keeping it. They don’t make sense to me. I would at least be in favor of tweaking the Electoral College since I doubt anyone would outright abolish it. Democrats included.

I wouldn’t begin to know how that might be possible in any kind of favorable ways for those wanting to end it or keep it.

It might be a waste of time to even consider accomplishing what the defenders of the electoral college claim it does.
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1 up, 2y
In the USA it doesn't work like that at least in presidential elections
1 up, 2y
As long as they're alive.
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1 up, 2y
No. Land owners and a voter IQ test should be a requirements to keep the riff-raff out of the equation
0 ups, 2y
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Obviously not a popular opinion.

I admire your honesty.

Do you trust the government to doll out this merit system?

Societal contributions tend to be more favored toward those with more money, or service TO the government.

Which essentially leads to the government favoring only votes that keep those in power. Both elected and financially.

Are you sure that is how we should overcome elitists and the swamp?
1 up, 2y,
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Like North Korea?
0 ups, 2y,
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So North Korea prioritizes election integrity? WOW
1 up, 2y,
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It doesn’t need to.

Elections are mandatory in North Korea and there is just one option. The way you election integrity naysayers go on and on, that would definitely be the way to go.

Imagine a ballot with only Trump on it.

Can’t get any better than that, could it?
0 ups, 2y,
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yes... you need to deflect from what I stated... got it...
1 up, 2y,
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You deflected my question. I believe I’m entitled to the same. Unless you think me some second-hand citizen not deserving of the same opportunities.
0 ups, 2y,
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Not really... your vote won't count for anything without election integrity.... something the US republic of bananas doesn't have now... so...
1 up, 2y,
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So say you and those who desire to be in power.

Convenient, no?
0 ups, 2y,
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When 3/4 of Americans say the 2020 election was not legit... per Newsweek... I'd say there isn't election integrity in the US...
1 up, 2y
I have every intention to let you have the final say but you actually said something I agree with.

“This isn’t going away…”

Until Trump is elected in 2024.

I hope he wins.

Then you’ll see he’ll do nothing to fix it.
1 up, 2y,
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How people feel about election integrity is irrelevant.

Facts don’t care about feelings.

Thank you for your participation. I hope you feel like you accomplished something.
0 ups, 2y
Hardly irrelevant... You can't just order people to think their elections are fair... OMG

You need to prove it to them... A start would be is to have a fair and impartial hearing into the fraud... but cheaters won't allow that... this is not going away...
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