The bourgeois complain about the system they set up

I wish I had money growing out of my ears.

Re-read your Marx, the bourgeois are people who own things. You will own nothing and be happy.

You’ve never read Marx a day in your life. The bourgeoisie are the property owning class, that is, land, residential housing, factories, fields, mines, etc. I’m not bourgeois because I own a bag of Hot Cheetos.

I've read all of Marx's works and he was one of the biggest morons of modern history, as he was the one that developed the blueprints for the socialist republic (a government that requires everyone in the work force being heald down if his fellow man was lazy or incapable and that no matter the value of your work you were treated the same), never worked a day in his life, and stole ideas and money from his highly wealthy friends.

Bullshit. Get a clue, Marxists are the worlds greatest murderers and they murder the idiots who follow them first because the useful idiot is the greatest threat to their absolute power. You won't own or borrow shit because they can starve you to death faster than assholes like me. I know more about Marx and Marxists than you will ever imagine, primarily because I know a couple hundred people who escaped your little Marxist utopia, and I listened to what they had to say. They say Americans can't even begin to imagine the sheer terror of Marxism. You aren't an idiot, stop being one.

I really cannot follow right-wing logic. You try and make sense of communism but you don't. How are useful idiots the greatest threat to a Communist dictatorship (assuming that is the type of government you're talking about)? Presumably they would be the most loyal and blindly obey the decisions and action of the state.

First off, I don't think anybody is starving in the existing Marxist-Leninist countries, though they aren't always the best off (obviously China and Vietnam are pretty well off). Starvation happened as the result of forced collectivization and bad science promoted by the state in the Soviet Union and in China. That's not something I want to repeat, and I wouldn't follow the same policy (reminder: I'm an anarchist, and collectivization in Spain produced much better results, even if success was temporary due to the outcome of the War).

I don't deny that there are people who exist who had a bad experience under a Soviet-style government. In some places the experience was brutal. Not everyone shares the same attitude, however. Russia is easily much worse off today than it was under Soviet governance, and the people understand this, too. Most people polled in the former Soviet Union said they preferred socialism. Just because some Communist dictatorships were brutal does not mean the ideology is bunk. Marxism is not Leninism or Stalinism or Maoism. Anarchists were the biggest critics of Marx and Lenin and predicted that centralized power in a dictatorship of the proletariat would result in many of the failures that we saw in the 20th century.

I believe I am practical, I notice the successes of past and present communist movements and take note of what works best. I acknowledge successes on the authoritarian side but also note the shortcomings. My preference is decentralized or anarchist communism. The Zapatistas and Kurds in Rojava are doing well with systems similar to this.

Good luck. History is very clear. The communists have publicly stated their goals and tactics for over 100 years. By your logic the murder of over 100 million people in the 20th century is no big deal when you look at the successes.
Starvation has been the tactic to induce submission for thousands of years. Your lack of understanding just what starvation is doesn't make it acceptable. We don't lack food because we can't produce it, it's Marxists denying the production and accessibility to it. Right now there are riots over government induced food shortages in over 100 countries where their own governments are beginning to starve the citizens. Propagandist news organizations are not reporting this on purpose.
Lenin said, "We must hate. Hatred is the basis of Communism." A logical person would ask, whom do they hate? Ask yourself why Mao murdered scientists, doctors, artists, intellectuals, educators- all who supported his glorious revolution during the purge of the Cultural Revolution? These were the people who thought they were going to help implement the hope and promise of Marxism.
Of course you can't understand so called right wing logic, you are fully indoctrinated. Lenin called people like you "useful idiots".
Your indoctrination is so complete that you only see and consent to the propoganda and doctrines of the party, no matter how far they deviate from reality.

The Communists did not kill 100 million people. The very people who came up with this statistic repudiated it, but that doesn't stop right-wingers from constantly bringing it up.

The fact that you actually think Lenin said that is hilarious. I'm not here to defend Stalin or Mao and I think they were particularly brutal, however well their intentions were. Supposedly Lenin called his followers "useful idiots", but I am not a follower of Lenin. There is also zero record of Lenin ever saying "useful idiot" and the Library of Congress has failed to attribute the phrase to Lenin. The fact that you have gotten all of this wrong should make you question who is truly indoctrinated here.

I also just told you I'm an anarchist so I think it's safe to say I don't follow any "doctrines of the party".

Tell this line of crap to the people I know who lived through it. Tell it to the people I know who watched your nobel communists blow their parents brains out before their very own eyes.
Anarcysts are useful idiots for the communists. You have been duped.

Me: *debunks your Cold War-era bullshit talking points*
You: oh yeah, why don’t you tell that to those who had to live under communism!

I don’t mind having a conversation with them. Despite your narratives, when polled, most Russians want socialism back.

When he says "most" he's actually talking about the guys in power and the millennials that didn't have to live through the Cold War

I actually knew a guy who lived through communism in Poland during WWII and he would always compare the things they did to their own people in the USSR to what the Nazis did to other people

Why are you a denier? That's a serious mental health issue. I won't post the photos I have of mass executions and mass graves a friend of mine smuggled out because the ChiComs still have a death warrant out for him all these years later. The guy in this photo was executed.
Tell me, what is it like to be so oblivious. Do you have to think about breathing?

Some communist countries killed their own people. Some had labor camps. I’m not trying to excuse any of that. I’ve said before, I look at different socialist and communist movements and I observe the good and the bad and make an assessment as to what I believe works best. I think the libertarian socialist and anarchist movements have had the most success with the least amount of harm done, and I can acknowledge that some Marxist-Leninist states or movements have made great accomplishments.

There is such a fine line separating your utopian delusions from the pure hell of tyranny that it takes no discernable movement to crush your utopia. Lenin was a master propagandist, and he spoke clearly about using this delusion to crush both friends and foes, which he did.
There are no "great" Marxist-Leninist accomplishments that can offset the murder, torture and terror inflicted on millions of people worldwide. Tell a child forced to watch the murder of their parent what great accomplishments there have been. I can arra ge for you to meet about 50 people who endured that, they can introduce you to a thousand more.

One thing I cannot deny: you are the absolute king of gish galloping.

And you are too ill informed to trigger any conservative. When the facts aren't on your side, find solace in thinking you trigger anything, anything at all. Maybe you can find a cat and a lazer pointer.

Only Russia and China are responsible for the death of millions, most of them unintentional and due to policy failure. I don’t count Pol Pot because he was a genocidal despot and differed from traditional Marxist-Leninist policy. There is question as to whether Pol Pot was a communist at all.

I think we should learn from what works poorly in the past. Today’s Marxist-Leninist states are not killing millions. Most of them have improved on human rights and moved away from labor camps. I still don’t outright endorse Marxism-Leninism completely because I believe it is flawed. There are multiple successes with improving national literacy, combating deforestation, vaccination campaigns, reducing inequality. Russia’s experiments resulted in the successful industrialization of the country’s production forces into the 20th century. Under Mao, the population of China doubled.

By the way, capitalism is responsible for far more deaths than communism, and kills more every 5 or 7 years due to preventable deaths from starvation, disease, pollution, wars, etc. But of course you will praise the capitalist system no matter what.

Pol Pot was a Marxist. Don't forget Che, he was credited with personally executing several thousand people and overseeing the executions of over 14,000, many of them his supporters. Yeah, bet you wear your Che tee shirt just to show how sensitive and caring you are about the oppressed and hurting.
Bet you didn't know the Pilgrims tried a socialist experiment and nearly starved to death. Right here in the US of A. Yup, they all put their produce in the common store and shared equally. Problem is it failed. When they allocated private land to individuals, the individuals produced excess and traded the abundance for things they needed. So an old cobbler didn't have to farm, which he wasn't able to do, but he fixed the farmer's shoes and earned extra food the farmer had to barter with. Yup, the Pilgrims dumped socialism on it's ass at Plymouth Rock. It doesn't work except under the barrel of a gun. The "socialist" nations you heard about were capitalist nations with huge social welfare programs, it's not the same thing. Just like an ice cream social is not Marxist. A social setting is not a politboro.
What you don't realize is that FDR destroyed capitalism with the New Deal. We haven't been a truly capitalist nation in almost 90 years. If Marxists like FDR hadn't polluted the US we would have done even more for the world than we have- we gave the rest of the world the money and materials they needed to rebuild after WW2- the entire world. What a bunch of selfish pricks, huh? Marxists only want to disrupt, displace and destroy- it's in their manifesto. Yeah, destroying people's lives, that makes the world a better place. Yeah, that's the ticket. Not to worry punkin- the glorious revolution has started starving people world wide- there are anti-starvation/anti- marxist government riots going on in over 100 countries right now, soon your little Marxist paradise will have starved billions into submission so they can finally find out how perfect your Marxist ways are. Starvation, now that's a good thing. Beats the hell out of freedom. Yeah, all of us can starve comfortably knowing our leaders are struggling to eat their Kobe Beef.
Wake up.

You want to learn from the past? How about learning from East Germans about the past? There were a number of unvarnished movies that hit the market after the collapse of communist East Germany. Try watching "The Lives of Others", or watch "Der Tunnel" (The Tunnel), then tell me how great Marxism is. I'll listen.
Cuban literacy? Propaganda compliments of Fidel. Literacy in Cuba only rose one year then deteriorated- it's a Lie that has been repeated for probably longer than you've been alive.
China's population doubled and they forced abortions and sterilizations on the citizens. In that culture sons are responsible for the care of aging parents, so guess what wonderful things happened, you guessed it! The Chinese aborted female children! Now there is such an imbalance that men can't find a spouse and they aren't having children. Is that why China enslaves Uyghurs? Uses Uyghurs for organ harvesting and makes a fortune off of vivisection of human beings? Oh, don't forget Tibet, I'm sure you have a "Free Tibet" bumper sticker on your Yugo. Free Tibet from what? Communist China.
You don't know that the military industrial complex of China owns almost all of the natural resources of the African continent and keeps the people there in starvation and the most pathetic poverty? Capitalism kills more? Really, explains all the fat capitalist kids, starving, diseased. Which nations are the polluters? Too bad our EPA was such a miserable failure isn't it. Except for the fact that we are cleaner than any other nation on earth. CO2 is not pollution. Oh I can almost see the soy latte coming out of your nose, CO2 is essential for life, it was warmer in the early and mid 20th Century than now- check your record high temperatures- that's science. Try this say sixty seven one millionths of the atmosphere is controlling the climate. It's absurd, unless you are indoctrinated by liars.
Stop believing your Marxist professor and go live in a Marxist country for 10 years then come back and tell us all how wonderful it is. No, really. Take some CDB oil with you and join Brittney for the next 9 years.

Russia is not even remotely socialist anymore. They went through a stupid process of economic shock therapy to shift to a capitalist system which killed their economy. The economy has recovered, but the people haven’t. The inequality in Russia today is astounding. The far-right is rising and are very problematic in most of the former Soviet republics.

What a dupe. The inequality is just an extension of the Marxist creed. Castro and family are billionaires, and Cubans live in poverty. Hugo Chavez, Nicholas Maduro, billionaires and Venezuelans are starving to death. Kim jung jerk, billionaire, North Koreans starving, Putin, richest man on earth. You've never been to these places. I have, Marxism sucks, it only serves those who oppress. Those are the cold hard facts. The worst lies are the ones you tell yourself, it gets even worse when you believe them.

Fascinating how you are so well traveled but still so damn ignorant about countries and their leadership and history. Putin is politically a part of a party coalition that is right-wing and nationalist. Please, tell me what about their policy is socialist and how the party in power itself attempts to apply Marxian ideas into policy.

Chavez is dead, and I really hope you’re aware of that. I find it hard to believe Maduro has at least a billion dollars because a Business Insider article from 2 years ago says the country as a whole has less than $1 billion. Kim Jong Un is probably a billionaire, and they might be the most problematic ML state still existing. It’s hard to say much about what’s going on there as the government is very secretive.

You always neglect the fact that we strangle these countries economically. We supported a coup in Venezuela in 2002. We punish Cuba’s trading partners and have had an embargo on that country for more than half a century. You think that doesn’t make people suffer? Have you seen in your travels what sanctions do to people? The fact that Cuba still exists at all, and outperforms us in many regards and can provide doctors to Latin America is pretty telling that they are rather successful.

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Give up. You have no connections with reality. Venezuela had the highest standard of living in SA before Chavez. My son was an exchange student in Venezuela when Chavez was first "elected". You can't tell me a thing about Venezuela. It was hell to get him out.
Fidel Castro died of a botched, simple, common place surgery. And he suffered for a long time. Now I like those doctors a lot amigo. Que bien!
Putin is right wing in the KGB, you are pathetic.
Google some more propaganda and cut and paste to your ignorant heart's content. That doesn't make anything you say the truth.
Strangling Russia over Ukraine made Putin even richer. Try the truth for once. Don't you see, Marxist's leaders always get rich and they oppress their people even harder. Who do you think benefits most from sanctions? Need a clue? The Marxist Leadership.