How many 'good guys with guns' were at Uvalde? Time to get these things off the streets

Arkansas. Is anyone surprised?

There was one good guy with a gun at the shooting. The border patrol agent that went in there with his shotgun to kill the shooter. If anything, that should prove that we need more good guys with guns since we can’t count on the police to save us all the time.

"we need more good guys with guns since we can’t count on the police to save us all the time"

I thought the police were supposed to be the good guys with guns

Uvalde proved you wrong. They sat in a hallway and left kids to die, even though they were well equipped to intervene. It was a civilian that was that was the good guy with the gun in that situation. If he hadn't gone in their who knows how many more people would have died?

It didn't prove me wrong, it proved wrong the people who say that.

And if it was a border patrol agent who went in, then he wasn't a civilian, he was another type of law-enforcement officer

That's a fair point, but he was off duty at the time and had no obligation to go in there. Lots of other parents wanted to go in but the police stopped them from going in, and since 45% of Texans own guns, it would be safe to assume that some people would try to kill the shooter. The police were cowards in that situation, proving that people should own weapons for self defense.

The more you read, the worse Uvalde sounds:

Slain Uvalde teacher’s officer husband tried to save his wife but was detained, had gun taken away
Officer Ruiz attempted to storm the school after his wife, Eva Mireles, called him telling him she had been shot.

https://www.today.com/news/news/eva-mireles-slain-uvalde-teacher-officer-husband-gun-taken-detained-rcna34666

Eva Mireles’ police officer husband attempted to save her after she was shot and killed at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, according to Texas Department of Public Safety Director Col. Steven McCraw.

During the Texas Senate’s hearing on police response to the Uvalde school shooting, McCraw claimed that Mireles’ husband, Ruben Ruiz, had his gun taken away, was detained and escorted off the scene after he received a call from his wife.

“We got an officer, Officer Ruiz, whose wife had called him and said she (had) been shot and she’s dying,” McCraw said in video shared by PBS News Hour. “What happened to him as he tried to move forward into the hallway, he was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.”

The reason that the eight year old was shot was because of insufficient safety of the gun storage.

This wasn't because the five year old was a bad guy with a game and had malicious intent toward his brother, it's because the owner didn't store the weapon responsibly.

Exactly, so even people who own guns legally can still be irresponsible resulting in people dying

Right, but the majority of gun owners keep their weapons safe.

We can only hope

We know that.

Really?

While that study of 195 countries showed that the rate of unintentional firearm deaths in the United States is the same as that for the 195 countries combined, the unintentional firearm death rate in the United States is four times higher than that of the other high-income countries

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-019-0220-0

There's a reason for this. The number of guns in Luxembourg, the nation with the second highest income in the world, was only 110,000 as of 2017, and three years before that, there were no accidental deaths. In 2020, Australia, a country with 3,518,025 registered firearms had four accidental deaths. Canada had 2,219,34 registered guns, and had 5 unintentional deaths in 2018. In Austria, it is estimated that the amount of registered guns was 1,160,000, and the 2019 accidental death count there was 2. In the US the number of firearms in the country number 393,347,000, the highest amount of guns out of any country in the world. The number of accidental deaths in 2019, the amount of accidental deaths were 486.

So what did we learn from this data? It shows us that as you add more and more guns into the nation's population the more likely it is that accidental gun deaths will happen. I'd also like to draw attention to the "accidental" here. All of these deaths are not caused by the owner, but not intentionally. The majority of accidental deaths from a firearm is caused by improper handling and negligence of gun safety guidelines. It's like if a car accident happened that killed numerous people. People don't go on protests for to take cars off the streets. There's a bias against guns when it comes to accidents.