Yes, per the parametric duality of murder's definiton you personally specified, I lost --just as you lost And, as I said, you're the biggest loser because you complained about cherry-picking whilst cherry-picking, accused me of deliberate obtusion whilst refusing to avail yourself of additional information, pointed to your own memes as though products of your imagination are proof of anything beyond your ability to throw them together (loss #7 --let that one slide last time but since you've evidenced intent to try absolving yourself of fault it's back on the table), displayed classic markers of narcissism, attempted and failed at gas-lighting (three times as of your latest comment) displayed self-delusory tendencies as of your latest comment (loss #8) strategically avoided posting your cherry-picked definition of murder and its source, steered the conversation away from discussing the legal aspects of murder vs. voluntary manslaughter (definite sign of being forensically weak, that one) and the pinnacle of your folly is attempting to play the maturity card. That's a dead give-away that its employer is insecure about their own maturity level. Good job. :D