Laws are written by and for the capitalist class

Can you provide a example of how corporations steal from the working class on a grand scale?

Yes i would like a specific example. none of your "I'm a commie and I said it so its true"

Forcing capitalism onto indigenous populations, the societal arrangements that result from private property and the wages system that result in the coerced labor of workers, surplus labor and theft of surplus value. Also the lending practices of the World Bank and IMF that cause over-exploited nations to adopt free-market policies that result in debt for their countries and more resources going out than going in, being transferred to the wealthier nations of the global north.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries

The Indigenous population are the working class?

Coerced labor? Huh? It’s at-will employment.

“Over-exploited nations” who adopt “free-market policies” by the World Bank and the IMF? So the IMF and the World Bank are corporations stealing from the working class?

Through the process of proletarianization, yes, indigenous stop being self-sustaining subsistence farmers and become dependent for their survival on wage labor because of the inequality of property and market functions.

Do you even realize what you just said? You don't think the constant threat or possibility of losing your primary source of income at any time for any reason doesn't compel people to work, and work hard for their employers?

The IMF and World Bank are institutions governed by wealthy elites who arrange deals with the corrupt elites of other governments. They are also directly involved in corporate investments.

Constant threat of losing your primary source of income? Nobody forced you to go to that job. If you don’t like it, start your own company & quit relying on someone else to pay your bills. You think the fear of losing your primary source of income is hard? Try having employees rely on you to make payroll, rent, bills, insurance, inventory, etc.. All you have to do is show up. Have some go***amn self respect.

You mean depriving people of their means of subsistence, confiscating all the natural resources that people depend on for survival so their only way of surviving is to sell their labor to you isn't forcing you to go to a job? Don't act like for a second that employers have a worse situation than workers. Workers produce all wealth. Employers are parasites off of working class labor, and the working class only enjoys a small portion of what they produce in return for their work. Workers do not need to just show up. If you don't meet employer's standards, you can be fired on the spot. Oh, but if I want to quit, I have to give a 2 weeks notice!

Everything is setup in favor of the property owners. Not the workers. You are a simp for capital.

Lmfao. Nobody MAKES you give two weeks notice. There’s no law for that. You can quit whenever you want with no reason; you can also be fired whenever the employer wants. This isn’t slave labor, although you want to try and make it out to be. This is at-will employment. The at-will employment relationship lawfully permits an employer to release an employee of his duties at any time, with or without cause. This relationship also permits an employee to quit his position, with or without cause, and with or without advanced notification or a formal resignation.

And nobody is depriving you of anything. Quit with the pathetic “woe is me” attitude and stop trying to make everyone feel feeling sorry for you because of the decisions you’ve made in your own life. You choose to work for someone, rather than working for yourself. Nobody forces you to do anything. You just don’t have the smarts, initiative, hustle and work ethic to create something on your own. So, instead, you expect someone else to coddle and provide for you. The trade off is you get money for producing a service for an employer. Finally, not even your beloved Marx, whom you love to parrot incessantly, believed that workers created ALL wealth.

It isn't mandatory, though it is custom and expected. It isn't literal slave labor because it is compensated somewhat, though not in full. It's hilarious how much you misunderstand the weight of at-will employment, because it is far more beneficial to the employer than it is the worker. Everyone needs a job at survival, but like you said, could lose that job for no reason at all. You choose to ignore the reasons I outlined that result in most working people selling their labor rather than starting enterprises of their own (most also don't own the necessary capital, and barely get by as it is). People need stability to be comfortable and financially secure but at-will employment denies workers this.

You should really look into history for once. Look at colonization. Look at the inclosure acts. Private property came about through violently chasing villagers off their lands and burning down their homes to make industrial factories possible. Your sickening endorsement of the bourgeoisie, fetishizing their faux lifestyle, because it is bullshit to suggest they arrived at wealth through any other means besides inheritance or hiring wage laborers. You are a total sucker if you think working hard and being smart will really reward you enough to become rich like those at the very top. But that's exactly what they want -- your willing compliance and servitude to help them make their profits while you remain nothing but a tool. I would say it's hilarious, but really it is sad more than anything else. Work will not love you back.

Look how fast you backpedal. First, it was that you HAVE to give 2 weeks notice while your employer could fire you without any advance warning. Now, it’s that it is customary to give notice and expected. You just keep moving the goalposts. Last time I checked, you all can quit whenever you want, potentially leaving the employer without any means to produce. That seems awfully powerful to me - in favor of the proletariate. You pretend like the employer is sitting in an ivory tower being fed grapes and drinking wine, while his minions break rocks all day in the hot sun while chained together. This is about your statement (meme) that corporations steal from the working class every day. Laughably, you think the only way to be successful is via inheritance and exploiting labor. With that type of attitude you’ll be flipping burgers for $15 an hour your whole life, while making excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse as to why you are still living in your mom’s basement.

Never forget that Communism is the noble struggle by the proletariat to overcome problems that only exist under Communism.

Sure, I “move the goalposts” and “backtrack”. Yet you, like other conservatives I have spoken with, don’t know how to talk to your fellow worker without talking down and being degrading, blaming workers for their own situation and using your own personal experience to apply it to everyone else.

Everyone I work with is looking for another job, basically. Going back to at-will employment, nobody is required to hire anyone. Employers, even in a desperate job market are still incredibly picky when it comes to hiring. One of my co-workers blew all her savings and drives with a suspended license because she got an OWI. I’m guessing she doesn’t want to wait to find another employer while being out of work, especially where the conditions might be very similar. Personally I get denied almost everywhere where I apply because of my felony record (that I got from high school).

Everyone was united in not coming in on Easter, until my boss threatened everyone with disciplinary action if they didn’t. His threat worked, and everyone showed up.

I don’t think you’re understanding me, either. I said outright I work part-time so I can go to school, not enjoy hobbies. Yes, I attend school because I want to pursue my career of interest.

I disagree that communism is horrific. I think there have been catastrophic results from some Marxist-Leninist governments, like failures of collectivization, shortcomings of central planning, literal quashing of worker’s movements and strikes. Some of this happened in Poland. Your claim that communism has “never worked” simply isn’t true. It still works in various parts of the world today.

The example always given is of a top-down centrally planned “communist” state. But that is not communism. Communism is worker’s self-management. In Chiapas, the communist Zapatista rebels own a substantial amount of autonomous land, where they have decentralized mutual aid institutions and worker co-operatives to fulfill each other’s needs. And they have less violence and poverty, better access to water, vaccines and healthcare than most in pro-government Mexican communities. Personally I’m an anarcho-communist and support decentralization of industry and socialist movements from below. I find those to be more democratic and successful.

You’re not my fellow worker. You’re labor. I’m management./owner.

And yet again, none of you take personal responsibility. You coworker drove drunk and broke the law. That’s nobody’s fault but her own. Her punishment was a suspended license and having to blow through her savings was a valuable lesson she (hopefully) learned and won’t do again. She endanger herself and other drivers on the road and could have killed someone. Having to take an Uber is a small price to pay. And you are a felon and have only yourself to blame (well, your parents too). Our actions have ramifications. Looks like nobody ever taught you that. Of course it’s hard for you to get a job with a record - what business owner wants a criminal messing with his livelihood. Again, stop making excuses for your lack of success. It seems you blame everyone else, but yourself. And if it’s not as bad as you say and from HS, work on getting it expunged when you become eligible. Until then, having to tell potential employers you’re a felon is your punishment. Hopefully you learned your lesson and won’t do it again. Without rules, there’d be chaos.

If none of you showed up, your boss would have been shit out of luck. He can threaten all he wants but without labor, he’s screwed. You guys made a conscious decision and caved. You put money ahead of your own morals. You are a pure capitalist in every sense of the word.

I heard you about your work schedule. I told you I worked full time and went to school full time and was married with two kids after the military. You haven’t said why you can’t work more. I have an inkling ad to why, though, and it probably has to do with getting free money.

With regards to communism, you are factually 100% wrong. Sure, it exists. But nowhere that it exists is a dream place to live. In fact, every one of those people in communist countries would give their left arm to come here. Not 99.99%….100%. Even with our faults, this is the greatest country on earth. There has never been anything even close to it. Spend more than a month in any shithole, and I’ve done that, and you’ll beg to come back here. I’ve lived in Panama. Nicaragua, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iraq, Afghanistan, Italy, Japan, Germany and Korea. I’ve done two week TDY’s to England, El Salvador, Honduras, Costa Rica, Mexico, Puerto Rico and Guam. I doubt you’ve ever left the country. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. And Mexico/Canada don’t count. Trust me, we are the most wonderful land, ever.

Could the entire employee lot quit all at once, leaving the company on their own? Sure, but it doesn’t happen often. In my experience I can’t get my co-workers to organize behind anything because they submit to threats from management and like I said, can’t afford to lose their jobs.

It is possible to amass significant amounts of wealth solely through your own labor, but that is not the case with a majority of billionaires. With my type of attitude, I won’t be stuck at a job that is dismal and uninspiring and I answer to an insulting and ungrateful boss and suck it up whenever I am degraded. I will try to stick to my socialist principles and put myself in a working situation where workers are equal and share collective power, and have a say in production and work schedules and so forth. It will be work we find fulfilling, but also does not take up most of our time because life is about family and friends, hobbies and exploration.

At the moment I work a warehouse job part-time because I’m in school, and live in a tiny studio apartment by myself, not even in the same town as my mother.

Communism is the abolition of things, the capitalist system. It is establishing an egalitarian society in the absence of a state, private property, class and money where work is done in common and the fruits of labor shared collectively. Communism is the abolition of class struggle, and there isn’t a mutual struggle when all is for all. It’s replaced by mutual aid.

Capitalism created the working class, that section of the population that will overthrow the former. Class struggle is the struggle against the property-owning class.

You keep making more & more excuses and continue to move the goalposts. Just because employees don’t quit all at once doesn’t mean they won’t. Or that they won’t try to unionize and then go on strike. You say your fellow employees won’t join together to stop your tyrannical boss, out of fear, because they can’t afford to lose their jobs. That’s pure BS. In reality, they are too lazy and unmotivated to go look for employment opportunities elsewhere. They are content at doing a menial job for menial pay.

After the military, I went to school full time and held a full time job of 40 hours per week. And I was married and had two small children. Yet somehow, with only you, you can’t manage to work more than part time because you want to spend time on hobbies and exploration. Again, that’s just your own laziness and your own lack of motivation. Do I want to work as little as possible, hang out at the beach and surf every day? Of course. Who wouldn’t. But that’s not reality. This is 2022, not 1822. We are not living in the days that Marx wrote about. Worker exploitation was a real thing in czarist regimes. The US is nothing like Russia in the 1800’s. Whatever liberal dribble that school is indoctrinating you with won’t serve you a bit of good in the 21st century.

Moreover, Communism is horrific. Ask anyone who has lived under it. My parents fled communist Poland in 1969 and to this day, are still afraid to speak on the phone. And before you say that what they experienced is not ideal communism, there is no such thing. That’s why it’s never worked and never prospered. When my dad went to “university” to study chemistry and metallurgy, his pay upon graduation would be the same as a toll booth ticket taker or janitor. And both would have to stand in long lines to get simple staples, paid with things like meat vouchers and bread sheets. Everything was rationed and everyone suffered.

Finally, why are you even going to school? What purpose does it serve you? I’m guessing to get a better job and make more money.

Stolen elections have consequences... DUH