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LMAO, If you think Bill Gates wants to depopulate the Earth, he should use the money he spends in his PR moves in Africa, and instead, make a deal with Oxford for an open vaccine patent, to make sure everybody in the Third world has the jab.

Oh no, that's right, he made a deal with AstraZeneca because he prefers to sell it privately to countries that can afford it, so they don't die and can keep on buying computers, instead of making sure everybody gets the jab and dies.

Damn, it's almost as if he cares about money, influence and ego money than about becoming a James Bond movie villain (He's more like what if American Psycho but Bateman is a medium to lower attractive, computer dork instead).

If what you say about him is true, he'd be easy to catch like in a Scooby Doo cartoon when you pull the dastardly villain's mask off, but no, he's not, he's a criminal for other reasons that are legal, precisely thanks to rightoid economic policies of tax cuts, unchallenged monopolies and money being freedom of speech.

Every time you open your mouth, the more evident it becomes that its your ideological tendencies what cause all of the problems you want to blame leftists for XD.

You're a fascist buddy, cut the bullshit and show your true colors like you're already doing, but without the pretensions.

No Pasarán

Bill Gates "PR in Africa" includes the INVOLUNTARY STERILIZATIONS of countless young African girls - as exposed by that other "fascist" Robert F Kennedy Jr. - in his book, The Real Anthony Fauci.

And Bill Gates has been unmasked and exposed - for all but the wilfully ignorant - like yourself. The problem is, he's a US Military Industrial/Intelligence Community partner...which means that he's effectively 'above the law'. https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/04/30/is-it-time-to-launch-an-investigation-into-the-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-for-possible-crimes-against-humanity

ModeRNA owns one of the sequences in the Covid genome... But I'm sure that's just 'a coincidence'... ModeRNA is a DARPA/Pentagon spin-off that REQUIRED the declared Emergency - in order to get around the long term and short term safety problems, with their product. They'd never made it to market with this technology, previously - for good reason, they're deadly AF.

IF you want to understand how this all got put in place, it's not that hard to follow the trail of bread crumbs, back to Dick Cheney...and that's who you're ultimately $hilling for, here. https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/available-informational-packages

Katherine Watt and Sasha Latypova have done great work exposing that these are Military Programs, not civilian. The FDA's own experts point out the lack if data to justify their actions - before voting as they're expected to, despite all the evidence they have and don't have, militating against.

It's notable how you get ratioed on your own meme - and how you stoop to the projection of accusations into the mirror, of 'fascism'. Which one of us consistently backs the Nazis in Ukraine, and the Technocratic Totalitarian/depopulation agendas of Klaus Schwab, and Gates?

The all cause mortality rates are up by at least 20% - after the jabs rolled-out, and the strains became less pathogenic.

"Let's abandon our morals just so the left will like us!"

I don't think so

What morals am I asking you to abandon? because all your morals against the vaccine are based on lies and misinformation.

And now you're using the most fascistic tactic of all, reducing leftism to "Let's abandon our morals just so the left will like us!".

You can say that the left is the devil, then I could call you a straight up "Nasty boi"!

You are asking us to abandon our beliefs in limited government and maximized personal freedom. "Just lobby for vaccine mandates as aggressively as we do with other stuff, our profits might not be as insane, but we could become historical figures." That's not misinformation. That's what our country was founded on.

What freedoms? the vaccine is factually safe and I've already provided enough material to debunk most Covid misinfo in imgflip, even the one that is yet to be made, since they all operate under same MO of either getting things wrong on purpose, or selectively quote whatever they think will buy into their narrative, only to be proven wrong by reading their own source (just like debating Ben Shapiro).

Also, it's not misinformation, is the corporate mindset that places short term profit increases over literally making history.

Just a reminder that the world is a shitty place because the owner class is mostly composed of certifiable narcissistic psychopaths.

What freedoms? The freedom to bodily autonomy. The government shouldn't force medical choices on anyone. Period.

"Also, it's not misinformation, is the corporate mindset that places short term profit increases over literally making history."

The citizens of the US who are against overbearing government are a business!? Am I profiting by talking to you about this?

"Just a reminder that the world is a shitty place because the owner class is mostly composed of certifiable narcissistic psychopaths."

We can agree there lol. I would include nearly all government officials there, too.

You wouldn't know fascism if the government blackmailed platforms of social discourse into hiding anything that disagrees with the preferred party. Oh wait, it already does...

Care to provide examples?

Don't give me Antivaxx examples tho, those are based on already demonstrated lies, their detailed debunks available in my comment's history.

It doesn't matter what you see as true or false. The government shouldn't have enough power to tell people what facts are true and stop anyone from dissenting

So, you've avoided to answer my questions and properly address my claims.

Thanks for participating.

No, I didn't. I was saying that the information a government censors isn't what defines it as fascist. It is the fact that they do at all on public discourse.

Shutting down on lies about vaccines and viruses isn't censorship, is preventing people from crying "Fire" in a crowded theater.

It's not a matter of opinion.

"Little detail you're leaving there: Being skeptical of an actually safe vaccine during a pandemic that has killed millions in a few years (probably close to double the official estimates, just because third world alone), is hurting people as well."

Tell me, how does being unvaccinated hurt other people given that the vaccine ONLY prevents serious infection in the recipient and does not prevent catching and transmitting it at all? Do you reject that premise, or do you accept that proven fact and still think it hurts others if you are not vaccinated?

It isn't even close to yelling fire in a theater. Yelling fire in a theater sends the crowd into a panic and can get people trampled. Questioning a new vaccine that has had some very shady censorship associated with it is a logical question. Despite my belief that it works and is mostly safe, I entirely understand why people are skeptical because every time a side effect was suggested, people were completely shut down and labeled spreaders of misinformation, but some of them have come to be recognized as real side effects. When people suggested it caused heart inflammation at first, it was called a conspiracy theory, and now some governments are requiring visor to put it as a potential side effect on each vial. Shutting down free speech and discussion will only make more people skeptical as I was for a long while.

Yelling "fire" in a theater directly hurts other people; Being skeptical of the vaccine doesn't. It is that simple.

"this is some autismo shit bro."

"You clearly don't know what autism really is. That, or you don't care and use it as an insult anyway."

Autismo is, amongst other things, when you take things too literally without thinking of the context, which is the same thing that makes it hard to follow social cues, or understand sarcasm.

Sorry about the tone, I didn't meant it as an insult but it sure sounds like that.
Also, I know more about autism; even tho mild but autism nonetheless, than you seem to believe.

"Yelling "fire" in a theater directly hurts other people; Being skeptical of the vaccine doesn't. It is that simple."

Little detail you're leaving there: Being skeptical of an actually safe vaccine during a pandemic that has killed millions in a few years (probably close to double the official estimates, just because third world alone), is hurting people as well.

It's not the literal same kind of direct damage as forcing an evacuation of a crowded establishment over a lie, but it's still the same act, the fake theater fire example being just that, an illustrative example.

You can't expect something's definition to include every single example, real of hypothetical, dictionaries are not supposed to take more room than a 60's supercomputer.

Yelling "fire" in a theater directly hurts other people; Being skeptical of the vaccine doesn't. It is that simple.

"this is some autismo shit bro."

You clearly don't know what autism really is. That, or you don't care and use it as an insult anyway.

You know why it's not a matter of opinion? Because viruses don't care about food's opinion.

In both cases, it is someone's personal choice affecting him and only him. Anything that doesn't directly hurt other people should be legal

They get the virus without being vaccinated and it has more chances to mutate and be spread around.

It doesn't affect just him, because we're talking about a contagious disease that's mutating like crazy.

"Anything that doesn't directly hurt other people should be legal"

In what universe does consciously rejecting a treatment that makes you less contagious, anything other than directly hurting those around you by actively deciding to become more contagious?

Don't even bother answering man.

Or do answer, I don't care, have a nice one king.

"The chance of it happening in vaccinated or unvaccinated people is exactly the same."

Vaccines reduce the viral load which reduces the chance of mutations

Wanna prove my counterpoint wrong?

EZ!! all you gotta do, is prove that reduced pathogen loads don't bear any consequence in mutation changes (I'm using the term pathogen now, because this applies to every single lifeform, infectious micro-organisms being just an example).

Before you say anything tho, we need to clear out some basics first (can't talk about car engine maintenance when you don't even know what a carburetor is, don't you think?)

Could you tell me what's going on in this picture?

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"They get the virus without being vaccinated and it has more chances to mutate and be spread around"

The chance of it happening in vaccinated or unvaccinated people is exactly the same.

"In what universe does consciously rejecting a treatment that makes you less contagious, anything other than directly hurting those around you by actively deciding to become more contagious"

Again, you are no less contagious with the vaccine. You help NOBODY but yourself by getting it, and you hurt nobody but yourself by not getting it.

It's not what I see as true or false, the scientific literature speaks for itself.

It's not a matter of opinion mRNA vaccines do the exact same thing to your organism, and the vast majority of Canadian truckers are against the strike that doesn't represent them as a guild.

Disturbing the peace over a lie to destabilize a center left liberal government, trying a mix of the Capitol Insurrection with the Chilean trucker astroturfed strike that criminally invaded a country because a leftist won democratic elections.

Obvious fascism is obvious.

Dude, I'm not antivax either, but I would never support censoring people who are because that is a direct violation of their basic right to free speech.

WTF? Lying about a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic is like yelling fire in a crowded theater when no fire.

It doesn't get more clear cut than this, your basic right to use your freedom of speech to spread lies and misinformation, is less important than everybody's basic right to health and safety.

If I have to argue this with you, then there's no point, you're too far gone, you need professional help.

Good luck, you're gonna need it way more than me.

At least you're not antivax, meaning at least I know you're gonna be safer than those whose idiocy you're needlessly supporting, and to your own detriment, since the more people don't vaccinate themselves and the more drugs they take when getting sick, the greater the chances for a mutation that makes even the third booster shot, completely useless.

Please forgive me if I haven't dropped the debate bro hyperbole enough, I really do feel more concern towards you than what I feel towards actual, two legged plague rats.

"The more people don't vaccinate themselves and the more drugs they take when getting sick, the greater the chances for a mutation that makes even the third booster shot, completely useless."

This is a lie. The only thing these vaccines are good for is protecting yourself from serious infection. The CDC has admitted that It doesn't stop you from catching and transmitting it or letting it mutate in your body. It is tragic if someone refuses to take the shot and then dies of covid, but in the end, they do not hurt anyone else with it. Why should the government be able to force it down your throat (or rather into your shoulder), then? It is proven that drinking less soda and eating less fast food will drastically lower the chance of someone developing heart disease & obesity, but should the government dictate people's diets, too?

"I really do feel more concern towards you than what I feel towards actual, two legged plague rats."

Funny. You accuse me of listening to "debate bros," and then you immediately make an appeal to shame and try to make me feel stupid by comparing me to a rat without properly addressing my argument. You are only revealing that your mind is closed and that you see yourself as one of the few who knows how to think.

I've already debunked all that crap, it's all in my comments history.

Now, let's see if you're qualified to talk about this, by answering this question, with your own words. No Googling, no copypasta, explain it from the top of your head.

Why do you think mutations happen?

"Disturbing the peace over a lie to destabilize a center left liberal government.."

So, entirely peaceful protests against government control are examples of disturbing the peace, but the blm "protests" that burned down multiple Americans cities and destroyed many government buildings based on the lie of systemic racism are perfectly fine. That's quite the mental hurdle!

You are responding to your own comments. Let's move here.

"Vaccines reduce the viral load which reduces the chance of mutations

Wanna prove my counterpoint wrong?"

Sure. Here's an article about the effect of the vaccination on cases of Delta in a peer-reviewed journal that disproves it. https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(21)00648-4

I will not take your bait and say that viral load does not scale the risk of mutation. If the vaccine reduced viral load, mutations would be reduced too, as you said. According to this study, though, the vaccine does not reduce peak viral load, at least in Delta. The interpretation section says, "Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts."

Here is another one for SARS-COV-2 in general.
https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(21)00768-4

"Indeed, there is growing evidence that peak viral titres in the upper airways of the lungs and culturable virus are similar in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals."

Had enough yet?

As for your image, that is a representation of DNA Helicase separating the 5'-3' strand from the 3'-5' strand of DNA during DNA replication. I have taken BIOL 1101 through ISU, the state college for Idaho, and I am taking BIOL 1102 right now.

Your own article from The Lancet that reviews CDC says also this.

"Thus, the current evidence suggests that current mandatory vaccination policies might need to be reconsidered, and that vaccination status should not replace mitigation practices such as mask wearing, physical distancing, and contact-tracing investigations, even within highly vaccinated populations."

They encourage masks and social distancing, even with vaccines, since they can also increase viral loads without infections, which doesn't increase the chances of mutations if those viruses don't actually infect cells and make you sick as a consequence, unless the person your passing the virus to, has a more naturally radioactive body.

Viral loads also aren't the only factor that increases transmissibility, severe sickness does as well, which it also increases viral load, because that's what a sickness is, a virus eating you alive and increasing its population, speeding up the pace at which it eats you alive as it turns your own genome into additional copies of itself, provided the immune response isn't enough to push back.

Remember when your teacher taught you the definition of infected and sick?

Remember the lesson on how sickness means the virus is reproducing?

Remember the lesson on how living beings reproduce to maintain or increase their numbers to perpetuate their survival?

You sure you're studying BIOL 1101 and it's not an r/thattotallyhappenned, or are you just so stoked up on the fact you've got into college and you're going through a galaxy brain moment, because it's combined with the fact the pandemic is driving you, me, and all of us for that matter, insane?

It's just that I'm a little less insane than you, and since I'm glad to finally argue with someone that at least knows some of their shit, I'm just gonna leave you with the last word if you want, and wish you to stay safe, and to ace that BIOL.

Thanks, this end page feature can get quite bothersome.

"will not take your bait and say that viral load does not scale the risk of mutation. If the vaccine reduced viral load, mutations would be reduced too"

So, after all, you still fail to understand that the picture is related to infections, not viral load, and that viral load does not have an effect on viral load on its own (which is what I explained already, your galaxy brain BIOL degree from Idaho seems to make you overlook).

"Had enough yet?

As for your image, that is a representation of DNA Helicase separating the 5'-3' strand from the 3'-5' strand of DNA during DNA replication. I have taken BIOL 1101 through ISU, the state college for Idaho, and I am taking BIOL 1102 right now."

That nice sounding degree isn't worth the paper is printed on, at least not within the confines of this conversation, if you don't know that viral load doesn't have any effect on mutation rates, UNLESS, said greater viral load is conducive to a more severe infection, something the vaccine effectively reduces, since it prevents viruses from actually infecting cells thanks to effective immune responses.

Viral load is the mere presence of viruses in your organism, if a virus is just moving along your bloodstream without infecting any cells, it's not exposing its genome to any kind of error during replication.

This is like hormones and receptors.

The only way a virus can naturally mutate in your body, on its own, without infecting cells, just by chilling in the bloodstream, airways or whatever place, is either how everybody else does, which is background radiation and time, lots and lots of time; or in the case of those refusing vaccines, medications that help them develop antiviral drug resistance.

Viruses don't just mutate by pulling from their spike protein bootstraps.

Besides, viruses survive by infecting cells, a huge viral load in a vaccinated person, incapable of infecting enough cells to reproduce at sustainable rates, is irremediably doomed like a Roman legion without a camp prefect, that starves because it depends on pillaging to eat.

Viruses are not immortal, I hope they teach you that one in BIOL 102.

Those studies don't change the fact that viral load is not a mutagenic factor unless conducive to severe infection, nor prove vaccine mandates should be reconsidered, they only, and admittedly so, suggest them to be reconsidered.

Just to clarify, don't have a degree in biology, it is just a class I am taking on the road to an associates degree. Also, I do not post that with any glee from just getting into college, as you suggested before. This is my second year of taking these classes in high school, and I am trying to graduate with an associates at the same time as my high school diploma.

"So, after all, you still fail to understand that the picture is related to infections, not viral load, and that viral load does not have an effect on viral load on its own"

Umm, the picture of the Helicase is about infections, and viral load does not affect viral load? I think this was a mis-type, so you can restate this if you wish.

"Viral load doesn't have any effect on mutation rates, UNLESS, said greater viral load is conducive to a more severe infection, something the vaccine effectively reduces, since it prevents viruses from actually infecting cells thanks to effective immune responses."

Not exactly. Mutations happen when the virus's DNA is slightly messed up while an infected cell is building copies of the infecting virus. The viral load is the amount of virus detected in your body, and every single viron is made by an infected cell. Just as individual virons won't mutate on their own, they won't reproduce on their own. Every virus particle in someone's body was an opportunity for a mutation. If you meant the viral load question as a trick question, you accidentally exposed your lack of understanding

https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-021-02148-8

"We found that increased viral load and infection duration favor emergence of such variants."

"The effect of selection within hosts is more pronounced for longer SARS-CoV-2 infections with higher viral load, which can lead to the generation of variants with multiple mutations within a single host during prolonged infection."